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Natural Calm of Death!!!

Answered on April 02, 2016
Created April 11, 2011 at 3:00 PM

I trust Robb Wolf's advice usually, but Natural Calm is where I draw the line. This stuff has been giving me near death experiences. This morning, I had leaky stool, bloody nose, clogged sinuses, muscle sorness, tiredness. On top of that walking in a straight line is hard and everytime I take this stuff, I have nightmares that are out of this world.

Do we really need Magnesium? If so, what is a whole food source of it?

Thanks in Advance!

81cb26a7b161add38a71bc74d5f43869

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on December 27, 2015
at 10:39 PM

I don't know where you got this info, but it is COMPLETELY false.  If you are having those symptoms, I hope you went to the doctor and got checked out.  Natural Calm is wonderful, and has saved my life with my 'bathroom issues'.  It is a natural bioavailable, safe source of magnesium.  Hope you're doing ok

47bba0d8b822b665fa0e86a33069d816

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on January 27, 2015
at 04:13 PM

There is nothing factual about this comment. Yes free glutamic acid if from a poor source can be an excitotoxin HOWEVER, there are many quality brands of L-glutamine that are fine to take. (as long as you are taking a fairly normal amount of protein in your diet. If you're following a low-protein diet, you should not take L-glutamine because taking a single amino acid without a balanced protein diet will put your other amino acids off balance in your body). Now to address Magnesium Citrate, yes it can certainly be harder on your stomach than Magnesium Glycinate, but the extreme side effects you mention sound quite extreme and may be caused from something else you're doing. My advice for you would be to avoid magnesium, but for the rest of the population, I would suggest Magnesium Glycinate or Bisglycinate. 

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on June 03, 2014
at 03:07 PM

This product does not have any MSG in it at all. It's amazing how people believe what they read on the internet by someone with absolutely no credentials or actual studies (of this product) to back his claims.

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on April 28, 2014
at 10:19 AM

Yes, any that's chelated. Typical good quality forms: glycinate, malate, or threonate.

1b8d7ad92236a4150b31b3a4f6f68181

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on April 28, 2014
at 07:57 AM

I have gastritis too and wonder if magnesium could be exacerbating my condition.Thanks for this helpful post! I have to be careful about eating raw fruits and vegetables (and anything acidic for that matter).

1b8d7ad92236a4150b31b3a4f6f68181

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on April 28, 2014
at 07:51 AM

This is really helpful, thank you! And while we're on this subject: Is L-Glutamine powder a neurotoxin? Many people take it for GI issues (among other things).

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on December 12, 2013
at 04:44 PM

I really want to keep this entire forum down to being useful information and not guesses stated as fact, if you suspect something, please prefix it with the words that you suspect that "...". I think we can be much more helpful to each other by only stating something as fact that is a proven fact and posting theories, or suspicions as theories or suspicions. I really find this forum useful, but I don't want to accidentally pick up misconceptions because something was stated as fact when it really was just a theory.

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on September 23, 2013
at 08:33 AM

Totally disagree. The MSG that is used in Japan, China and Korea was discovered in 1908 and was made available for commercial use much much later. How can it possibly be Paleo since it was not even used by farmers?

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on July 22, 2013
at 11:15 PM

I don't understand this answer. The OP is talking about symptoms from taking supplemental magnesium, not about anything that's theorized to cause excitotoxicity.

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on February 14, 2013
at 09:18 PM

+1 for a creative title.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on December 14, 2011
at 12:50 PM

The regular (unflavored) Natural Calm doesn't have "natural flavors".

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on December 14, 2011
at 12:49 PM

If you're experiencing an MSG reaction, I would look to the natural flavors.

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:35 PM

eggshells = calcium carbonate. A good source of calcium but not magnesium

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on May 05, 2011
at 05:09 PM

THANK-YOU for posting this question, as I was having the same symptoms and didn't realize that it was the Natural Calm. Being out of balance really freaked me out, and I have a lot of soreness in my muscles that wasn't going away, as well as fogginess.

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on April 19, 2011
at 10:02 PM

I personally take the unflavored natural calm, because of the 'flavor' component not to mention it would more than likely be too sweet for me. The magnesium has been a life changer for me sleep wise, but I definitely agree with your active questioning of all ingredients

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 19, 2011
at 09:47 PM

It seems odd that this product lists no yeast, dairy, sugar, gluten, wheat, artificoal color, soy, wheat but doesn't say no corn? Another ingredient I just noticed after looking at the ingredients label: organic flavor? What exactly is that? I see about the sugar beets. But as for the the original poster, he very well could be getting bad reactions from "organic flavor". There's no telling what that is.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 19, 2011
at 09:13 PM

So yea, that's a very sketchy name for an ingredient. It doesn't say anything about the source. It's worth questioning if you ask me, we live in the industrial revolution. Food engineers are creating all kinds of crazy frakenshit.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 19, 2011
at 09:11 PM

Can you show me a source that says it's made from sugar beets? It seems odd that this product lists no yeast, dairy, sugar, gluten, wheat, artificoal color, soy, wheat but doesn't say no corn? Another ingredient I just noticed after looking at the ingredients label: organic flavor? What exactly is that? Flavor is a popular name for "free glutamic acid". And organic means nothing of course, MSG can be made from organic sources. In other words, during the processing of certain things MSG can be created and they can name it "natural flavor" or "flavor" as a way of avoiding putting "MSG" on label.

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on April 19, 2011
at 09:03 PM

FYI - the citric acid in natural calm is manufactured in europe and is made from sugar beets. Watch the source of your information - all three sources cited are from groups that are a bit one sided. I absolutely agree that MSG is bad, but equating citric acid to msg is a bit of a stretch

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on April 19, 2011
at 08:07 PM

I remember seeing something way back when, that was indicating a possible genetic reason for why Asians could "tolerate" more MSG than others. Can't find it now of course...

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on April 19, 2011
at 05:43 PM

ive been using NOW's magnesium citrate for the last couple weeks and it has done wonders form my sleep, muscle twitches and the leg cramps i was starting to get. for the periods i go vlc, i manifest signs of magnesium deficiency and had put off supplementing, though i deduced that it was the cause of certain symptoms. but now that i do, it has been a net plus.

3ccab807e2b8bb1d050c3584d9c1dd12

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:49 PM

luckily I eat spinach every day

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 12:32 AM

I updated my post because I don't know enough about Magnesium types and which is the best. All I know is you definitely want to avoid Magnesium Aspartate, Magnesium Glutamate, and Magnesium Citrate.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 13, 2011
at 07:40 PM

@Ed, also I don't take magnesium supplement. And yea there's another kind that is better absorbed I am trying to remember the name. It's not oxide.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 13, 2011
at 06:36 PM

@Ed. Here's some "sources" I found with google: http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm http://www.msgmyth.com/discus/messages/4/2061.html?1257470215 http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Milk%20and%20MSG.html @tartare. Yes, most citric acid is made from corn. And it doesn't have to be citrus to be used to make things out of it, there are food engineers doing things you never thought were possible with chemicals to make food and many people are eating their creations.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 13, 2011
at 04:36 AM

eggshells, bones=magnesium

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on April 13, 2011
at 01:05 AM

@justanotherhunt, do you have any references concerning MSG in Natural Calm and other magnesium supplements? Magnesium oxide is very poorly absorbed. How much do you take?

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on April 12, 2011
at 04:38 PM

I have emailed the company with this information - and am stopping my own dosage of CALM until I hear back. Meanwhile.. .I got some Magnesium oxide to take it's place.

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on April 12, 2011
at 02:47 AM

Huh. Would this apply to magnesium glycinate as well?

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on April 12, 2011
at 12:41 AM

how can we know if the L-Glutamine suppliment is bad? I take Jarrow L-Glutamine and their BCAA...how can I tell if their is excitotoxins?

43c4473fda7e6f6bae82680a6a2333ef

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on April 12, 2011
at 12:33 AM

wow...thanks for posting that...including the info on much of the factory created L-Glutamate

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on April 11, 2011
at 10:54 PM

citric acid can be made from corn???? seriously? grrr. but, but, but corn isn't citrus!

3ccab807e2b8bb1d050c3584d9c1dd12

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on April 11, 2011
at 09:22 PM

THIS IS EXACTLY what it was like...I felt like I suffered brain damage.....

5472f6c94387c7fc82a04da4885363b0

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on April 11, 2011
at 08:36 PM

I would downvote you for the beans comment, but I don't have the heart.

3ccab807e2b8bb1d050c3584d9c1dd12

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on April 11, 2011
at 07:53 PM

I just started taking it because it was a part of Robb Wolf's basket of things that are generally good for you...

5edbf85deaf83e13b176df023abb154d

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on April 11, 2011
at 07:49 PM

I remember some guy posting here that the magnesium really affected him such that when he'd scratch his arm, the thinned-out skin would easily tear and his thinned blood would gush out. I doubted the guy's post, but now this is making me wonder. I've not had any bad experiences with the stuff and I regularly supplement it.

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on April 11, 2011
at 06:39 PM

Beans, are you sure.........

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

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on April 11, 2011
at 04:01 PM

The dosage of mg calm is 2 teaspoons for 350 mg

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:32 PM

Two Slo-Mag give me terribly vivid dreams. Stop now!

3ccab807e2b8bb1d050c3584d9c1dd12

(487)

on April 11, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Well I eat Spinach every day...maybe I'm already getting enough....

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:27 PM

Maybe you took too much of it?

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:19 PM

sea salt (or unprocessed rock salt) would be the most obvious one i could think of.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 11, 2011
at 09:11 PM

Natural Calm contains "MSG" or "free glutamic acid"(excitotoxins) in significant amounts because it contains factory created "citrate"(from citric acid that is made from corn, usually GMO) that is bound to the magnesium. The symptoms of excitotoxicity can be anything from a headache, weird inebriation, depression, anxiety, digestive issues, zombie-feeling, brain fog, ADD-like symptoms, hyperactivity, muscle aching, restless legs, slurred speech ect. The list goes on. Sometimes a reaction takes 24 hours to even show up, even more. Some symptoms show up 1-4 hours later but the worst don't start till a day or 2 later.

MSG is one of the most consumed industrial toxins known to man right now, it's in all processed food, most vitamins, most sodas, all fast food, most restaurants you eat at.

Large quantities of CONCENTRATED amino acids like factory created L-glutamate can be deadly to the brain and cause over 80+ symptoms that are hard to track. Research "excitotoxins" on google.

I stopped taking my magnesium supplement too because it contained Magnesium Citrate as well as Magnesium Chelate and Magnesium Malate which I don't know anything about. While taking it I felt very "off" and it felt like my brain was being inebriated, kinda dysphoric, my muscles were tense and achy.

Very similar to what happens if I eat MSG-laced processed food of diet red bull(aspartame), except this is more mild cause it doesn't contain as MUCH MSG so the "drugged up MSG-symptoms/damage" isn'tt as obvious. But it's toxic and must be avoided, even if someone doesn't notice symptoms from Natural Calm(and any citrate magnesium) like most factory produced glutamates it can take a decade for some acute and toxic damage to finally show up so why risk taking this? Diet is the most important thing to work on.

I would use another source of magnesium. I am not sure which the best is and which don't also contain glutamate. You also want to avoid Magnesium Glutamate and Magnesium Aspartate. Both are excitotoxic just like Magnesium Citrate.

Here's Natural Calm's Ingredients:

Notice the Magnesium has "citrate" attached to it. That's from Citric Acid, the true culprit here.

natural-calm-of-death!!!

41cf76a4cdfc4f981f7475e7ced676e2

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on November 19, 2015
at 03:49 AM

Look up the "Krebs Cycle". You'll be terrified when you find out where else citric acid is made.....

09e3a4b532dd8898d8eee23d1d8e121c

(162)

on April 12, 2011
at 04:38 PM

I have emailed the company with this information - and am stopping my own dosage of CALM until I hear back. Meanwhile.. .I got some Magnesium oxide to take it's place.

43c4473fda7e6f6bae82680a6a2333ef

(227)

on April 12, 2011
at 12:33 AM

wow...thanks for posting that...including the info on much of the factory created L-Glutamate

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on April 13, 2011
at 01:05 AM

@justanotherhunt, do you have any references concerning MSG in Natural Calm and other magnesium supplements? Magnesium oxide is very poorly absorbed. How much do you take?

3ccab807e2b8bb1d050c3584d9c1dd12

(487)

on April 11, 2011
at 09:22 PM

THIS IS EXACTLY what it was like...I felt like I suffered brain damage.....

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(5136)

on April 11, 2011
at 10:54 PM

citric acid can be made from corn???? seriously? grrr. but, but, but corn isn't citrus!

43c4473fda7e6f6bae82680a6a2333ef

(227)

on April 12, 2011
at 12:41 AM

how can we know if the L-Glutamine suppliment is bad? I take Jarrow L-Glutamine and their BCAA...how can I tell if their is excitotoxins?

Fe33d1321dad116f6fedd60266d0498b

on April 12, 2011
at 02:47 AM

Huh. Would this apply to magnesium glycinate as well?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:32 AM

I updated my post because I don't know enough about Magnesium types and which is the best. All I know is you definitely want to avoid Magnesium Aspartate, Magnesium Glutamate, and Magnesium Citrate.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 13, 2011
at 07:40 PM

@Ed, also I don't take magnesium supplement. And yea there's another kind that is better absorbed I am trying to remember the name. It's not oxide.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 13, 2011
at 06:36 PM

@Ed. Here's some "sources" I found with google: http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm http://www.msgmyth.com/discus/messages/4/2061.html?1257470215 http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Milk%20and%20MSG.html @tartare. Yes, most citric acid is made from corn. And it doesn't have to be citrus to be used to make things out of it, there are food engineers doing things you never thought were possible with chemicals to make food and many people are eating their creations.

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(12379)

on April 19, 2011
at 10:02 PM

I personally take the unflavored natural calm, because of the 'flavor' component not to mention it would more than likely be too sweet for me. The magnesium has been a life changer for me sleep wise, but I definitely agree with your active questioning of all ingredients

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 19, 2011
at 09:11 PM

Can you show me a source that says it's made from sugar beets? It seems odd that this product lists no yeast, dairy, sugar, gluten, wheat, artificoal color, soy, wheat but doesn't say no corn? Another ingredient I just noticed after looking at the ingredients label: organic flavor? What exactly is that? Flavor is a popular name for "free glutamic acid". And organic means nothing of course, MSG can be made from organic sources. In other words, during the processing of certain things MSG can be created and they can name it "natural flavor" or "flavor" as a way of avoiding putting "MSG" on label.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 19, 2011
at 09:13 PM

So yea, that's a very sketchy name for an ingredient. It doesn't say anything about the source. It's worth questioning if you ask me, we live in the industrial revolution. Food engineers are creating all kinds of crazy frakenshit.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 19, 2011
at 09:47 PM

It seems odd that this product lists no yeast, dairy, sugar, gluten, wheat, artificoal color, soy, wheat but doesn't say no corn? Another ingredient I just noticed after looking at the ingredients label: organic flavor? What exactly is that? I see about the sugar beets. But as for the the original poster, he very well could be getting bad reactions from "organic flavor". There's no telling what that is.

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 19, 2011
at 09:03 PM

FYI - the citric acid in natural calm is manufactured in europe and is made from sugar beets. Watch the source of your information - all three sources cited are from groups that are a bit one sided. I absolutely agree that MSG is bad, but equating citric acid to msg is a bit of a stretch

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on December 14, 2011
at 12:49 PM

If you're experiencing an MSG reaction, I would look to the natural flavors.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on December 14, 2011
at 12:50 PM

The regular (unflavored) Natural Calm doesn't have "natural flavors".

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on December 12, 2013
at 04:44 PM

I really want to keep this entire forum down to being useful information and not guesses stated as fact, if you suspect something, please prefix it with the words that you suspect that "...". I think we can be much more helpful to each other by only stating something as fact that is a proven fact and posting theories, or suspicions as theories or suspicions. I really find this forum useful, but I don't want to accidentally pick up misconceptions because something was stated as fact when it really was just a theory.

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on June 03, 2014
at 03:07 PM

This product does not have any MSG in it at all. It's amazing how people believe what they read on the internet by someone with absolutely no credentials or actual studies (of this product) to back his claims.

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on December 14, 2011
at 01:47 PM

The amount of magnesium in soil was deficient in the 1930's due to farming. Its far worse now, so you definitely need it. You don't get enough through vegetables anymore. Magnesium is not fat soluble either so it doesn't need oil. Try the "oil" form which you spray on your skin. It has less known problems with digestion. Citrate can cause digestion problems in some, but the MSG stuff sound like BS. Natural calm at first gave me problems, but now is quite nice. No issues with it now, and I have Chrohns!

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on April 19, 2011
at 05:22 PM

I found this answer Dr Mike Eades gave to a question on his MSG article:

Mike, have you read Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills by Russell Blaylock?

His credentials seem solid and he believes MSG is neurotoxic, as it crosses the blood- brain barrier and ???over excites??? neurons. I???d be interested if it does (or obviously hasn???t) changed your thoughts on this subject.

Hi John???

Yes, I???ve read Excitotoxins. And I found Dr. Blaylock???s arguments convincing until I dug a little deeper. It turns out that glutamate does indeed ???excite??? neurons, and does so by allowing calcium to enter the cells. This excitation of the neuron is offset by the ???calming??? influence of GABA, which acts in opposition to glutamate. The GABA-glutamate axis in the brain is much like the insulin-glucagon axis in the metabolic system. One needs both to function properly.

Since the tiny bit of MSG used to season foods breaks down into glutamate and sodium ??? both normal constituents of the human body, and, in the case of glutamate, actually made by the human body ??? it???s difficult for me to image how a little bit of glutamate added to the body???s large circulating stores could substantially influence the neurons. If taken in large amounts, perhaps, but a pinch, occasionally, I don???t think will hurt. And maybe if a person is deficient in magnesium there could be a problem. Magnesium is Nature???s calcium channel blocker, so inadequate magnesium might not offset the influx of calcium driven by glutamate. This is just a hunch, but, because ??? according to the latest survey I read ??? about 75 percent of Americans don???t even get the already-too-low RDI of magnesium, maybe it???s the widespread magnesium deficiency that allows whatever negative effects experienced by some people when consuming a lot of MSG to happen. I don???t have magnesium consumption figures at hand for the Japanese, but given what they eat, I would assume they get a lot more magnesium in the standard Japanese diet compared to what we do in the standard American diet.

The strongest argument for the harmlessness of MSG is the fact that it???s used in such large quantities in Asia by enormous numbers of Asians without any apparent epidemic of negative effects. The Japanese, for example, use MSG (and believe it???s healthful) in large quantities and outlive everyone else on earth despite the fact that most of them smoke. And they???re blowing the tops out of all the admission processes in American colleges, leaving US students in the dirt, so it can???t be affecting their cognitive abilities. If MSG were truly harmful, I would suspect the Japanese would suffer its ill effects. But, again, perhaps the greater intake of magnesium by the Japanese is protective. Which may be why they live longer, after all.

Cheers???

MRE

Take what you want from it, but his KGH-Style answer sure sounds way more logical and down-to-earth than all these scaremongering "OMG MSG is gonna turn you into a zombie" ones.

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on April 19, 2011
at 05:43 PM

ive been using NOW's magnesium citrate for the last couple weeks and it has done wonders form my sleep, muscle twitches and the leg cramps i was starting to get. for the periods i go vlc, i manifest signs of magnesium deficiency and had put off supplementing, though i deduced that it was the cause of certain symptoms. but now that i do, it has been a net plus.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on April 19, 2011
at 08:07 PM

I remember seeing something way back when, that was indicating a possible genetic reason for why Asians could "tolerate" more MSG than others. Can't find it now of course...

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on July 22, 2013
at 11:15 PM

I don't understand this answer. The OP is talking about symptoms from taking supplemental magnesium, not about anything that's theorized to cause excitotoxicity.

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on September 23, 2013
at 08:33 AM

Totally disagree. The MSG that is used in Japan, China and Korea was discovered in 1908 and was made available for commercial use much much later. How can it possibly be Paleo since it was not even used by farmers?

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:48 PM

Leafy greens are the best dietary source. Chlorophyll is constructed out of magnesium the same way that hemoglobin is constructed out of iron. Usually with magnesium supplementation you know when you need to back off when you get the scoots. It sounds like you have reached that point and then some. It is easy to take too much of that stuff. The dosage is pretty small. You could also look into transdermal magnesium or magnesium oil to get it via the skin. This method is especially useful to people who are just starting out and have absorbtion problems because of a leaky or irritated gut. You can find magnesium oil at a good health food store or online.

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on February 15, 2013
at 06:20 AM

Bone broth is a great source of balanced minerals: calcium, magnesium, phosphorous, sodium, sulphur, as well as proline, glycine, and hyaluronic acid. What I'm getting at is that it provides your body with a balanced intake of all the stuff you need for your cells to function correctly. I like it because it's not one mineral or amino acid in isolation.

I swear bone broth has changed our life, drinking some every day has totally balanced my hormones, made my skin great because of the gelatin, and makes everything you cook with it taste delicious.

The other way you can get magnesium is to take Epsom salt baths, you'll absorb quite a bit through your skin if you're convinced you need magnesium.

Best of luck, it sounds like you're just not a natural calm candidate.

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on February 15, 2013
at 03:21 AM

whoa, why were you taking mag in the first place. if its for muscle soreness maybe you are low on the other electrolytes. lack of potassium can cause those "night terrors" like the worst scariest dreams ever........switch up what you are taking? eat some avocados? dulse, kelp, sour cream or raw cream?

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on December 07, 2012
at 07:48 PM

another natural source of magnesium is homemade bone broth. It's almost the purely paleo solution.

look up Sally Fallon's version, you get calcium, mag, and others plus gelatin.

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on September 09, 2012
at 12:50 AM

I was just searching online to find if someone else has intense back pain with magnesium supplements and ran across this thread. I get relief from insomnia and charley horse type muscle spasms with the supplements, but after a few days get terrible pains in my spine, both upper and lower. Terrible neck aches and stiffness, or terrible radiating pains from my lower spine down my legs, along with some intense congestion and sometimes a terrible foggy headiness. My local health food store recommended I change from Natural Calm to another form of magnesium to a buffered magnesium glycinate chelate, but after a couple of days I get the same symptoms. Although whole grains are listed as the foods naturally highest in mag, you can also get good amounts from dried herbs, squash and watermelon seeds, cocoa powder, sesame and sunflower seeds, brazil nuts, almonds, cashews, pine nuts, and molasses in addition to green leafy vegetables. You'll get more from veggies grown on organic farms where they work on soil conditioning, most of the green stuff in grocery stores has really negligible amounts of mag. So I personally plan to work on eating more nuts and seeds and organic greens and seeing if I can just cut out the mag supplements completely.

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on April 07, 2012
at 08:58 PM

strong text Interesting! I have been taking Natural Calm plus Calcium for 2 days...except today. I have had diarrhea that is dark green almost and today it was grainy...and I have had terrible gas and bloating issues too and I am taking 1/2 tsp twice a day. I am just now starting to feel better after not taking it at all today. I also have gastritis and found that magnesium tablets kill my stomach, which is why I went for the Natural Calm...guess I will not be taking it anymore...on the other hand I love spinach salads and almonds :)

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on January 27, 2015
at 02:57 PM

I had the same reaction to natural calm! but my heart palpitations are out of control and driving me crazy...i am not sure what to do. would love some help

 

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on April 28, 2014
at 07:57 AM

I have gastritis too and wonder if magnesium could be exacerbating my condition.Thanks for this helpful post! I have to be careful about eating raw fruits and vegetables (and anything acidic for that matter).

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on December 14, 2011
at 12:43 PM

I just happened to stumble across this because I was looking to see if there is anyone else who feels awful after taking this stuff! After taking Natural Calm this morning, I have a horrible headache, my stomach has some aches/cramps, others on here described a "fog", that's exactly what it is! I can't even think straight. I also notice a lot of nervous energy or something, or maybe that's because I feel so f*cked up and my system is out of control! My body aches, it's just weird. I'm about to take some Valium to ease these symptons. I only have one valium left, so I was REALLY hoping that Natural Calm would actually help, not hurt. Thankyou all for your replies. At least I know I'm not alone.

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:08 PM

That sounds terrible. How much are you taking? I know that leaky stools is a sign of taking too much. How is your dietary intake of magnesium? Maybe you are getting too much.

I tracked my dietary intake for a while, and realized that I needed a couple of things, but i'm only taking a half dose of magnesium for now.

I would stop taking it and see how you feel - your symptoms are unacceptable and you need to address them now! I hope that you start to feel better Tim!

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on March 04, 2013
at 07:08 AM

I started takign magnesium about 2 months ago on a regular basis. I didn't connect the dots at first but, as I took it I started waking up more during the night....then waking up a little earlier and a littler earlier....Then (still not connecting the dots) I started to just sit there in a alomst ALMOST asleep and my body would just wake me up. I then developed insomnia issues. Which started some anxiety I was so very confused and didn't know what Was goin on. Finding these threads on magnesium really helps me mentally and I wont take it before bed tomorrow night. I was almost dead asleep on the couch and I walked into the kitchen slammed some mag. and 3.2..1 WIDE AWAKE. Thank you guys for all your help!

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on August 25, 2011
at 03:06 PM

I can identify with you Tim. After a few days of taking Natural Calm I was in a complete fog! My wife began to get concerned and mentioned that I was staring into space like a zombie... which is exactly what I felt like. Beside this (which was bad enough) I became VERY exhausted; I felt like all my energy was gone. After getting off the product I returned to my normal energetic self and my brain fog went away. I should also mention that like others who have posted here, I too had very vivid dreams while taking Natural Calm.

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on November 23, 2014
at 08:41 PM

ok here come my symptoms...massive diarrhea with almost every mag supplement(with traacs i felt neither good or bad),loose stools,foul smelling gas,foggy brain,anxiety(even my wife noticed and throw my almost out of our bed),vivid dreams,los of energy and restless legs(its supposed to help with all that not make it happen or worsen)!!...i guess i will quit that sh'yt too!

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on April 14, 2011
at 03:44 AM

Wow, I had the same experience with the nightmares. I never took more than 1/2 of the recommended dose, either. I had the most intense, horrifying dreams I'd ever had in my life. I always dreamed I was dying -- really creepy, vivid stuff.

I've taken citric acid by itself without problems. I don't know what the problem is. Regular magnesium doesn't bother me -- nor help with back pain, which Natural Calm did.

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on April 11, 2011
at 08:41 PM

My opinion (based on personal observations) is that you need a magnesium supplement if you are strict paleo and active. I get noticeable symptoms of magnesium deficiency when I'm active and strict paleo for a period of time and I don't supplement (muscle cramps and headaches). Never had a reaction similar to yours though...

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on April 11, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Magnesium, in general, seems to do many people good. However, not everybody. It has the paradoxical effect of keeping me WIDE AWAKE (GABA has the same effect!) if I take it before sleep. Everybody is different and Robb Wolff (or anybody else for that matter) cannot take everybody into account.

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:35 PM

The dosaage is extremely small - only 1/4 teaspoon. You say you are taking 1/2 dose. So you are taking 1/8 tsp? Absolutely stop taking it. Thanks for sharing you experience, this is valuable information. Btw,were you diagnosed with low magnesium levels initially?

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on April 11, 2011
at 07:53 PM

I just started taking it because it was a part of Robb Wolf's basket of things that are generally good for you...

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on April 11, 2011
at 04:01 PM

The dosage of mg calm is 2 teaspoons for 350 mg

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:06 PM

Wow, it sounds like you should cease use immediately. How much are you taking?

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on April 02, 2016
at 04:51 PM

I bought 5 of the individual CALM packs from my Chiropractor to help with sleep.

Well, after two nights of not sleeping well, I decided to try CALM. I followed the instructions and went to bed expecting to sleep but that's not what happened. It felt like my heart was doing flip flops and about 5 hours later I had to get out of bed because of acid reflux. I walked around for a few minutes and then it felt like I was burning up and that started dry heaves. The loose stool and frequent trips to the bathroom started a few hours after that. It was miserable because then there was back and stomach pain during the day and then several rounds of vomiting...48 hours later I feel better but won't try CALM ever again!

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on November 20, 2015
at 05:15 AM

Yes, we need magnesium.  Whether or not we need supplemental magnesium, however, is another issue.  It depends on the person and their current state of health.

Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D. has written several books on minerals in general and magnesium in particular.  I've not read any of them, but you can search Google for her.

I have, however, listened to a few interviews with her.  She sells her own magnesium product called "ReMag."  You can search Google for "RNAreset" or "ReMag Magnesium."

Personally, I've used the "Natural Calm" products with no ill effects.  Currently, however, I take a magnesium supplement from the company "Pure Encapsulations."

Their website has many different forms of magnesium and states the Glycinate form is:

"Highly absorbable magnesium chelate for sensitive individuals."

You can buy their products from Amazon.

As for magnesium-containing foods, check Google.

Finally, some other options are topical magnesium (spray/oil) and/or magnesium flakes from the Zechstein seabed.

With the topical spray/oil, just apply to your skin.  For the magnesium flakes, dissolve them in warm water and soak your feet for 20 minutes.

Good luck!

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on November 16, 2015
at 03:35 AM

I hear you guys.

I wasn't taking the same MG supplement, but I was taking Rainbow Light's. I had terrible bloating, gas, and reflux. I had to atop taking it and feel better now!

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on April 28, 2014
at 07:46 AM

Is there any safe magnesium to take?

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on February 22, 2016
at 07:23 PM

Yes, it is an essential mineral. Our bodies require magnesium and cannot produce it. Whether you take it from food or supplements is a different question. 

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on April 28, 2014
at 10:19 AM

Yes, any that's chelated. Typical good quality forms: glycinate, malate, or threonate.

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on December 03, 2013
at 05:42 PM

In my humble view @dzone is correct in that the amino acid, glutamic acid (and aspartic acid for that matter), when not bonded with other amino acids in formed proteins, can roam free and is capable of over stimulating cells, including brain cells, all the way to cell death, also known as excitotoxicity.

That said this magnesium drink definitely does not contain MSG so I have no idea who gave him this incorrect info. Possibly someone originally wrongly drew this conclusion because it contains citric acid and some associate citric acid with MSG. (group sigh of relief @Geoff @Phoenix @No more. @Justin 2 @Jen 4 @Dave 5 @Stephen-Aegis @Aril @Kim The Nourishing Cook @FuelRestMotion @DePaw @Pedrita)

In fact a couple of years ago, when I was studying MSG, I bumped into one article on the net that states that all citric acid is MSG, and then you will find several articles regurgitating this article or referring or linking back to it. Citric acid is an entirely different compound to MSG and MSG isn’t part of the structure of citric acid at all. The person writing the article lists no credentials but much more importantly does not show how he came to arrive at that conclusion nor any proof whatsoever, he just states it. MSG, as we know, is monosodium glutamate and has a specific chemical composition of C5H8NO4Na (Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen and Sodium). Citric acid is found in most fruits and many vegetables and has an entirely different chemical composition of C6H8O7 (Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen). It would be chemically impossible to even make MSG out of citric acid as citric acid doesn’t contain any Nitrogen (N) nor any Sodium (Na).

Also if you write to the company you’ll find that they source their citric acid from non-GMO sugar beets to avoid any GMO content and bottles have the Non-GMO Project seal on them.

When a body takes in more magnesium than it can possibly absorb or utilize, just like any other nutrient excess, the kidneys work to send this excess to the bowels. Unlike most nutrients, magnesium has a particular quality called hygroscopic, which is a nerdy term simply indicating that a substance naturally attracts liquid. It is the magnesium that is in excess that is sent to the bowels, which in turn loosens them. This is simply a sign that one took in too much magnesium at once (and one would need to spread it out) or that they just took too much magnesium period. Calcium binds and magnesium loosens, so when they are pretty well balanced one typically has neither a lose bowel nor constipation. So yes @rkmaier you took too much.

Like @Jeff 30 wisely points out, it is all about balance and of course too much of a good thing is no longer a good thing and can throw things out of balance. I mean heck, one can even get water poisoning (hyponatremia) by drinking way too much water daily which in turn dilutes ones electrolytes drastically especially sodium (and other electrolytes such as magnesium). The result is an often fatal condition called hyponatremic encephalopathy where sodium serum levels fall so low that water is no longer retained and instead seeps into the cells of the brain causing the cells to swell. This swelling dramatically damages the soft tissue that is the brain as it is housed very tightly in the skull and has nowhere to go. So does this make water dangerous and to be avoided like “H2O of Death!!!”, okay that was joke (insert groan here). Of course the pharmaceutical industry would probably like you to believe so, so that they can convince you that water is a dangerous drug, just like they try to classify natural vitamins and minerals using their medical jargon and hopefully in the future you’ll have to get a prescription for water, just like they are currently trying to do with vitamins (thank you Codex Alimentarius and your paid media scares).

As far as epistaxis (nose bleeds), there are two kinds, the more common anterior (toward the front) and posterior (toward the rear) nosebleeds; posterior nose bleeds can be caused by hypertension or calcium deficiency among other causes. As for anterior nose bleeds, one of many causes are blood thinners and seeing that magnesium is considered a natural blood thinner as it naturally inhibits platelet aggregation (clotting), this certainly can be the cause. This thinning is great news for those who are susceptible to the blood being too thick or prone to dangerous clotting. However for those whose blood already runs thin, or who naturally have low platelet count (thrombocytopenia), magnesium can potentially thin it further. One can normally tell if they have a vitamin C or K deficiency or thrombocytopenia because they will bruise very easily (pooling blood under the skins surface) and be more susceptible to nose bleeds and bleeding gums, as these are the routes of least resistance. Of course many Aspirin like drugs have a similar effect as does ginseng and the vasodilation (widening of the blood vessels) caused by alcohol consumption.

Another random thought from a hematological view is that B12 deficiency can cause similar symptoms like nose bleeds, easy bruising, anemia, headaches and even weakness for that matter. As B12 mainly occurs in animal products such as meats, shellfish, poultry, eggs and milk, vegetarians and vegans are much more prone to such deficiency.

Back on the subject of vasodilation, one’s series of arteries (large blood vessels), arterioles (medium blood vessels) and finally capillaries (smallest blood vessels) that one’s blood flows though can fluctuate in width and can actually contract or dilate. Of course when these contract (vasoconstriction) there is less room internally and this generates more pressure on the blood and voila heightened blood pressure. Conversely, when these dilate there is more room and thus the pressure on the blood is reduced. A person with abnormally lower blood pressure can have their blood pressure dip lower still by the intake of too much magnesium at a time. This in turn can contribute to one’s low blood pressure symptoms, some of which @Tim 3 mentions and includes headaches, muscle pain and weakness, dizziness, nausea, fatigue, etc. Also the decreased circulation through the brain and the rest of the body due to lowered blood pressure can bring out the feeling of brain fog. @Michelle 12

The vivid dreams thing is something I am familiar with too. It is quite interesting and I am sure some of you who have ever tried a melatonin supplement have experienced similar vivid dreams to what Tim describes. It seems that larger amounts of melatonin tend to produce these dreams.

Something @Michelle 8 and @Michelle 12 would possibly be interested in is that the pineal gland, located roughly in the center of the head, depends upon magnesium for its own production of melatonin. So a body that is quite deficient typically will produce and secrete less of this hormone, which in turn can negatively impact a person’s ability to switch off at night and fall asleep. Essentially one can only bake as much cake as one has flour for. Of course the optic nerve, being connected to the pineal gland, signals the pineal gland to start producing melatonin once the sun goes down, also known as DLMO (dim light melatonin onset). A lack of light received by the retina permits this melatonin production, conversely light, particularly blue light, suppresses its production. This explains the use of “blue blocking” glasses in the later hours of the day or blackout curtains by those who have difficulty falling asleep.

Similar to a child waiting all year long for his parents to finally afford his expensive tastes in Lego, the pineal gland can be chomping-at-the-bit (eager) to produce melatonin, but lacking the magnesium, as one of the essential building blocks, to do so. As if by a stroke of luck the pineal glands owner has finally caught on to a potential magnesium deficiency and eagerly scoffs down (Brit. devour greedily) handfuls of the stuff (usually too much) and low and behold copious amounts of melatonin are rapidly produced.

Now vivid dreams primarily occur during what is considered the most important and lighter phase of sleep, closer to the morning, known as REM sleep (rapid eye movement). REM sleep is a normal part of a human’s daily sleep pattern and usually accounts for 1-2 hours of sleep a night, although occupies a majority of a new born babies sleep. And you guessed it, the hormone melatonin has been directly shown to increase REM sleep. So essentially magnesium allows for the production of melatonin and more melatonin equals more REM sleep and more REM sleep equals vivid dreams. Don’t want vivid dreams (well who does?) moderate ones magnesium intake.

And yes one really does need magnesium; in fact it is the 4th most abundant mineral that human body is comprised of, after calcium, phosphorous and potassium (in that order).

Like the occasional magnesium starved pineal gland, the individual cells love to bathe in magnesium; in fact 40% of the body’s total magnesium is stored intracellularly. This body’s system of energy production occurs within the cells, and the energy that they produce is called ATP (adenosine triphosphate). This ATP production is entirely magnesium dependent and those low in magnesium for some time can start having chronically low energy levels. In fact ATP actually has to form a compound with magnesium for it to become biologically active and as magnesium and ATP have opposite polarities this binding occurs quite readily [Mg2+ ATP4-].

Akin to the data on melatonin production above, sometimes these cells have been trying to produce energy, hindered by a deficiency in magnesium. Now give the body a dollop of magnesium and occasionally people get a rush in energy, this can keep one awake. There really is no reason to take magnesium in the evening, it is not a drug and is not time sensitive like a drug, despite what WebMD says. The body is used to getting its magnesium through its 3 meals a day and the stress is on that one maintains healthy magnesium levels, not when one consumes it.

Granted due to contemporary techniques and producing foods for profit and no longer for nutrition we are typically getting less than half the amount of magnesium through diet that the body is used to as @primallykosher correctly points out.

But if one is going to supplement with magnesium, put it in a water bottle and sip it throughout the day, this spreads it out more evenly and allows potentially more to be absorbed in the small intestine and utilized by the cells, bones, muscles, endocrine system and organs that depend upon it.

As @matt H rightly points outs that chlorophyll, that lends the green color to plants, is created around an ion of magnesium, it is literally the central molecule and thus chlorophyll isn’t produced and doesn’t exist without magnesium. And indeed the greener the plant, typically the more magnesium it contains e.g. kale, spinach, etc. And it isn’t actually true that one would “need a little oil or fat to absorb magnesium”, magnesium is water soluble, not fat soluble, and does not require oil or fat at all. In fact the only substance that I know of that specifically assists magnesium is pyridoxine (Vitamin B6) as it increases the amount of magnesium that can enter a cell.

As @Tim 3 asks, what is a whole food source of magnesium? First off magnesium is a mineral and is actually a metal, so regardless of its source it will be this same inorganic (not once living or capable of life), metallic molecule with its same properties. Its absorption only influenced by what it is bonded to i.e. the various potential magnesium compounds. Magnesium is actually never found in nature by itself and if always in compound form, so you have over 20 different magnesium compounds, the magnesium part of the compound being identical between all of them. As above, green leafy vegetables are a great source, as are nuts, almonds and cashews. Soybeans, bran, wheat germ, oats, potatoes, peas, beans and bananas are also strong sources of magnesium.

Admittedly I am quite nerdy and abnormally obsessed with the subject of magnesium and bias. I take 3 teaspoons of the Calm product every day, but then again I like to run marathons and tough mudders and I am obsessed with Jujitsu, so I most definitely burn through more magnesium than most.

I hope some of this is helpful.

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on November 24, 2015
at 09:30 PM

I agree with the others who commented, phenomenal explanation. Very helpful, thanks!

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on November 20, 2015
at 11:24 PM

Remarkable response!

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on February 13, 2015
at 05:29 PM

This is the best explanation I have ever read.  This is extremely helpful.  Thank you.  I use plain Nautral Calm, and Mag glicanate and I find it best to use in the day - and then I sleep great.  I did have a time where I wasn't sleeping well and I realized I was dehydrated and needed more trace minerals besides Magnesium. I believe I have found my mineral balance.

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on April 28, 2014
at 07:51 AM

This is really helpful, thank you! And while we're on this subject: Is L-Glutamine powder a neurotoxin? Many people take it for GI issues (among other things).

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on September 23, 2013
at 07:49 AM

I was taking magnesium (250mg) with B6 to help with my constipation and it worked great, but after a week or so i would get diarheea.

Does it mean i am taking to much ?

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on February 22, 2016
at 07:19 PM

definitely too much for initial daily or twice daily dose. I start at 1/4tsp (about 30g) and increase by 30g per dose up to 250g. this is probably overconservative but it works. Loose stool is an indication that you increased the dose too quickly. Of course if the intended function is theraputic relief of constipation, you want to take a large enough dose to pull water into the bowels. 

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on July 22, 2013
at 05:48 PM

Balance is key w/nutrients. This bullet approach of taking high doses of a single mineral is not a good idea. The scientific approach is best via lab work to determine deficiencies then supplementation instead of the shot in the dark approach which can cause nutrient imbalances. Most of these posts are consistent with nutrient deficiency states. The best source of minerlas that I've found and high in Mg is a product called Pico-Ionic Magnesium ReMag. If that's not in your budget then Concentrace is a close 2nd. Food just doesn't have the nutrients they once did, you'd get sick from eating before you replenished your deficiencies. Having said all of that, the first thing to do is a total body cleanse to detox so the nutrients can actually enter the cells otherwise you're wasting your money and time.

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on May 07, 2013
at 06:16 AM

Thanks for all your posts everyone. I have been taking magnesium citrate for migraines for two weeks now. I have developed very painful back pains that are starting to travel down my legs. I also have some abdominal pain as well. I had done quite a bit of leaf raking a week ago and attributed it to that, but it has continued and is getting worse. I'm going to discontinue the magnesium citrate and see if it helps. I'm disappointed, though, because I've read that migraines really need magnesium. However, I'm very sensitive to every supplement I take (and medications), so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. I think I'll try the bone broth that others have mentioned. What kind of bones? Beef or chicken or other?

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on February 14, 2013
at 09:13 PM

I tried Natural Calm for about a month or longer. I noticed that I had started to lose weight and it helped with my IBS and allowed me to be regular with bowel movements which I thought was great. I was taking 1/2 teaspoon once a day. I decided to increase to 1 teaspoon and did that about twice and had the worse case of nausea and started feeling bad. I stopped taking it and did some research on it, thinking I had taken too much. I don't feel comfortable taking it again so I will stop.

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on December 07, 2012
at 07:07 PM

I am so glad I found this site. I've been studying this for long and I am convinced it has a lot of side effects. I started taking natural calm because it does help me to have a restful night but I developed a strong acid reflux. The part difficult to find is that supplements like this are suppose to help acid reflux. I will have to stop taking it. I miss my deep sleep and I don’t like the effects of sleeping aids. But if any of you have an advice please post it.

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on October 27, 2012
at 01:44 PM

I recently tried out Natural Calm Magnesium supplement. I believe its not for everyone and everyone should be careful in taking it. On the first dose I found my heart beats rate was increased abnormally, I can hear it loud. Other symptoms were nervousness, sleeplessness.I could not sleep during night. I tried it again with smaller dose and had similar symptoms again. Finally stopped it, Be careful everyone.

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on August 27, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Does anyone else have serious knee, leg pain while taking Natural CALM? Since taking it, I have had the vivd nightmares, the gas issues and most notably, terrible leg pain... So bad in fact that my knee sometimes buckles and I can barely walk....

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on April 19, 2011
at 08:03 PM

The side effects listed for Magnesium Citrate are: SIDE EFFECTS: Mild abdominal discomfort/cramps, gas, or nausea may occur. If any of these effects persist or worsen, contact your doctor or pharmacist promptly.Serious side effects are unlikely to occur unless this product is used for a prolonged time or in doses that are too high. Tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: slow/irregular heartbeat, mental/mood changes (e.g., confusion, unusual drowsiness), muscle weakness, persistent diarrhea.

I'm happy to say I've never had those symptoms (and I'm doing 100% of RDA with Magnesium Citrate, not Natural Calm). Which doesn't help you of course. :)

However, sounds like you're in the "unlikely but serious side effects" area. Has this happened before with you with Magnesium Citrate? I'd double check your doseage (was it Tablespoons instead of Teaspoons for example) and definitely stop taking it.

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on April 19, 2011
at 07:13 PM

My mom calls natural calm 'draino' for good reason! :)

I have IBS and it makes my stomach cramp and grumble for hours.

Mg oil is fantastic though, really well absorbed but a bit itchy.

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on April 19, 2011
at 11:12 AM

Robb Wolf was taking it because he had adrenal fatigue. If you dont have that i wouldnt recommend taking nc. Anyway..anyone know any good dietary sources except spinach and almonds? doesnt seem to be many

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on March 16, 2015
at 10:17 PM

Good soures of magesium - chard, spinach, beet greens,  lima beans, pinto beans,  black beans, soybeans,  turnip greens, pumpkin seeds, cashews, brown rice,  barley, oats. 

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:49 PM

luckily I eat spinach every day

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on April 11, 2011
at 07:44 PM

While I didn't have near death experiences, I didn't respond well to Natural Calm either regardless of the dosage and eventually gave a nearly full $20 container away to a friend who didn't really care for it either. You didn't say why you started to take it. I decided I was far better off without it, as I sleep well anyway, and it seems most take it as a sleep aid.

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:25 PM

Wow! Your body is talking to you! Almonds are a good source of magnesium. Leafy greens like spinach. You need a little oil or fat to absorb magnesium so a nice salad made of leafy greens with a good oil/vinegar dressing would work well. Beans are a decent source too.

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on April 11, 2011
at 06:39 PM

Beans, are you sure.........

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on April 11, 2011
at 08:36 PM

I would downvote you for the beans comment, but I don't have the heart.

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(487)

on April 11, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Well I eat Spinach every day...maybe I'm already getting enough....

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