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Congestive heart failure, ventricular tachycardia

Commented on May 17, 2015
Created May 14, 2015 at 10:42 PM

I am a 72 yo male who has been doing primal paleo for five years. It has dramatically improved every aspect of my health . . . so far.

Twelve years ago, I had an angina attack that damaged my ventrical and was told I had congestive heart failure. According to the statistics, I should be dead by now.

Last year I had ventricular tachycardia. Mild, if there is such a thing. I got an implanted ICD/pacemaker. Last week, I was way over-exerting and the device gave me several shocks. My cardiologist (one of them) wants to do ablation, i.e. go in an burn away some of the heart muscles. The procedure has only a 60% success rate. So far, I have said no.

I am on amiodarone, which has terrible, even fatal, side effects when taken for an extended period. Right now, I am afraid to do anything strenuous. I don't really want to live like that.

I have read that copper and magnesium can help heal the heart. Can anyone share experience with or knowledge of that? I have started taking lots of magnesium (glycinate, citrate and malate). So far, no intestinal problems, which tells me I am not taking too much. Maybe still not enough. For copper, I eat lots of meat, kale, seafood and cashews, and have been upping the amount of avocado I eat. Maybe I get too much and not enough zinc. Is there a test I should ask my docs to give me? They, of course, have said nothing about nutrition.

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I don't really have much knowledge in this area, however, our hearts do require a lot of CoQ10, especially as we get older.  It likely could do some good, though it might not address your issues specifically.  Also make sure you're not on statins as these will prevent CoQ10 generation and make it even worse.

 

Magnesium is needed for a lot of enzymiatic activity throughout the body.  There are many forms, one of the best is magnesium threonate, because it can cross the blood brain barrier and provide magnesium for the brain, but for what you're trying to solve, most any chelated form will help - malate, glycinate for or citrate as you mention.  Avoid magneisum oxide as it's not as absorbable and will cause GI issues.  You absolutely should take magnesium with Vitamin D3 and K2.

 

There's plenty of zinc in meats, especially muscle tissue, and especially in shellfish like mussels, oysters, clams, etc.  Copper is not found in muscle meats, but rather in things like liver and chocolate (I'd get something like a 90% Lindt bar, or a high quality raw cocoa powder - stay away from the junk stuff like Hersheys or Mars.)

 

There are a few zinc supplements that come with a bit of copper, if you want to go the pill route, but you're better off just eating animal sources.

 

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on May 17, 2015
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Thanks Raydawg. Seems like I am on the right track.

I take lots of high quality CoQ10 and stubbornly refuse to take statins. I am on what my cardiologist calls "baby doses" of other heart meds. Coreg, digoxin, lisopril and amiodarone. 

I should be getting enough zinc then. As for copper, I haven't managed to start eating liver. I do eat good quality chocolate (usually the darkest Endangered Species) and lots of avocados.

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