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80/10/10 diet breakdown vs. Paleo / Primal

Commented on March 31, 2015
Created August 19, 2013 at 5:23 PM

The 80/10/10 diet is as many of you know 80% carbs, 10% protein, 10% fat.

What is the paleo / primal breakdown.

thanks

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

(416)

on August 21, 2013
at 04:10 AM

I mean... when you take into consideration the "naturalness" of fruit and the fibers that allow the sugars in fruit to be more tolerable, then I'd say its better than refined sugars and stuff. But either way, I think that this much sugar over a long period of time is a no go.

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on August 20, 2013
at 04:15 PM

If you thought that 80/10/10 was a good idea, why did you take the book back?

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 20, 2013
at 02:09 PM

All types of sugar? or refined crap? I am trying for more of a 60/20/20 approach. Is that still to high of carbs (60) I did adkins long ago, and have been a 95% paleo with the exception of the occasional dinner out and eating what i want. As i have mentioned above, just looking for the optimal diet. why would i downvote you? you said nothing mean or out of the ordinary :)

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 20, 2013
at 02:07 PM

I guess i am just trying to find the best diet. It just seems odd to me that eating to much fruit is bad for you. I am a big meat eater, and I am just trying to lose more fat, get leaner, etc. I am a 44 year old man, and it seems things are slowing down for me. I read some of the 80/10/1/0 stuff, and actually bought the book. I took the book back last night and got my money back. I am very fearful of cancer and other diseases. I am just looking for the optimal diet.

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on August 20, 2013
at 04:41 AM

the real questions IS: what is your goal in doing a diet at all???

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 19, 2013
at 11:10 PM

I agree. I was flirting with the idea of going raw for awhile. I love meat though. I try and eat foods that are only in there whole form. Meat is hard to do that with. Got to cook it, etc. Bought the book 80/10/10 diet. Has some good points and stuff that I don't agree with. Extremes are never good when it comes to diet. thanks for your feedback

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 19, 2013
at 10:19 PM

I hear you. One thing about protein, animal based is its generally high in fat as well. today I had only 50 grams of whole food protein, total of 1800 calories. I think a 60/20/20 would work. I really don't know how vegans can do it, or i should say raw vegans. they primarily get their protein from nuts, which again is very high fat food. I am going to take your advice. thanks.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on August 19, 2013
at 07:21 PM

15% of calories as protein, on an average 2000C diet, is 300 Calories from protein or about 75 grams. This is barely above daily maintenance for someone of smaller stature and who's not terribly active. Since you workout, consider /slightly/ more protein, even if you want to keep it on the lower side -- say 100g, or about 20% of a 2000C diet. Carbohydrates are helpful and important for recovery - but cranking them up to 70% (or about 350g) may be a tad overkill. Maybe start with 50%(250g)/20%(100g)/20%(45g), and see how you feel?

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 19, 2013
at 06:55 PM

Thanks. I am trying to say go 70/15/15, and work from there. Feeling lethargic at my workouts. I think its the absence of high quality carbohydrates. Like you said its not necessarily numbers, but the type of food. Appreciate the quick responce

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on August 19, 2013
at 06:09 PM

There is a broad spectrum of nutritional profiles for macronutrients that one could arrive at if eating a general "paleo" diet.

Personally, I eat isocalorically -- 33% c/p/f -- but there's no reason 80/10/10 couldn't work for a paleo eater. Granted, it'd be a weird diet - e.g. a few sardines and about 10 potatoes - but hey, whatever works. Some paleo eaters that like low-carb might be 15/35/50 for e.g.

In general, it's better to focus on the food itself that you are eating, and less on how many carb, protein, or fat units you are eating. If you have medical advice or goals that necessitate you eating a low or high protein, fat, or carb diet -- or are just curious about the effects of targetted-macronutrient diets -- go for it. If not, simply focus on the quality of your food, and how it effects you.

A highly satiating diet will empower both those that are trying to grow, those that are trying to lose, or those that are just maintaining -- regardless of its macronutrient breakdown. You need to discover what works best for you.

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on March 31, 2015
at 03:09 PM

Where do sardines and potatoes fit in to either of these diets?

re: nuts are "very high fat food" ... 10% plant sourced fat is not going to harm anyone.

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 19, 2013
at 06:55 PM

Thanks. I am trying to say go 70/15/15, and work from there. Feeling lethargic at my workouts. I think its the absence of high quality carbohydrates. Like you said its not necessarily numbers, but the type of food. Appreciate the quick responce

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 19, 2013
at 10:19 PM

I hear you. One thing about protein, animal based is its generally high in fat as well. today I had only 50 grams of whole food protein, total of 1800 calories. I think a 60/20/20 would work. I really don't know how vegans can do it, or i should say raw vegans. they primarily get their protein from nuts, which again is very high fat food. I am going to take your advice. thanks.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on August 19, 2013
at 07:21 PM

15% of calories as protein, on an average 2000C diet, is 300 Calories from protein or about 75 grams. This is barely above daily maintenance for someone of smaller stature and who's not terribly active. Since you workout, consider /slightly/ more protein, even if you want to keep it on the lower side -- say 100g, or about 20% of a 2000C diet. Carbohydrates are helpful and important for recovery - but cranking them up to 70% (or about 350g) may be a tad overkill. Maybe start with 50%(250g)/20%(100g)/20%(45g), and see how you feel?

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52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

on August 20, 2013
at 03:22 AM

Too much sugar, which can lead high toxicity of the blood, which cancer loves. Pressure on the pancreas, especially if you are not that active. Blood sugar spikes. I think that eventually, after relying on the sugar and carbs for energy and fat (excess sugar means fat, right? correct me if I am wrong), your body is going to eventually eat at your muscles to make up for what you are not feeding it.

These are my guesses. Many people feel better eating this way after a week or so (or longer) because they are exchanging grains for whole food.

Honestly, I don't like this diet. I'm okay with the regular veganism and vegetarianism... but I think this is a bit worse than SAD and all of that..

ATLEAST it is a form of clean eating.... or so it seems.

A week or two is fine... but a lifestyle of eating like this. I don't know.

If you downvote, comment! :]

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 20, 2013
at 02:09 PM

All types of sugar? or refined crap? I am trying for more of a 60/20/20 approach. Is that still to high of carbs (60) I did adkins long ago, and have been a 95% paleo with the exception of the occasional dinner out and eating what i want. As i have mentioned above, just looking for the optimal diet. why would i downvote you? you said nothing mean or out of the ordinary :)

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

(416)

on August 21, 2013
at 04:10 AM

I mean... when you take into consideration the "naturalness" of fruit and the fibers that allow the sugars in fruit to be more tolerable, then I'd say its better than refined sugars and stuff. But either way, I think that this much sugar over a long period of time is a no go.

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on August 19, 2013
at 11:05 PM

I think that any diet that focuses on one type of macronutrients to an extreme while ignoring the others is not ideal. That being said, I think that any diet that is made up of real food will be better than sad.

Fad6cc45c86408332aaf337d68e7b8c2

on August 19, 2013
at 11:10 PM

I agree. I was flirting with the idea of going raw for awhile. I love meat though. I try and eat foods that are only in there whole form. Meat is hard to do that with. Got to cook it, etc. Bought the book 80/10/10 diet. Has some good points and stuff that I don't agree with. Extremes are never good when it comes to diet. thanks for your feedback

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