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Carbs are good, but what kind?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 18, 2011 at 12:45 AM

For those of you who are eating a moderate amount of carbs, say 100g+ daily, where are you getting them from? Do you stick to 100 percent paleo sources like tubers and squash? Or do you eat some non-gluten grains like rice or corn? What about fructose containing sources like fruit or honey?

I think there's been a general upward trend in carb consumption in the paleo community, and I just thought it'd be interesting to see where individuals are getting them.

Personally, I eat mainly potatoes for my starch, along with some fruit. Probably about 3-5 days a week for the potatoes and 3-4 for fruit. I eat rice anywhere from 0-3 times a week, and a sweet potato sometimes sneaks in too. I generally avoid grains other than rice, however.

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:08 PM

Tom R, the beauty of the old anabolic diet (per Dipisquale)...my way is just ancestral and healthier is that it doesn't have to be 24 to 48 hours in a row. Dinner the night before and breakfast the morning of...if he lifts in the evenings... just load the day of the heavy lifting...and cut the carbs off after the workout. I wouldn't do it daily, but twice a week should be fine... it worked for those who followed the original, I don't see why it wouldn't work for those of us who do it eating healthier, ancestral foods.

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

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on June 19, 2011
at 05:43 AM

Yeah go for the starch! Seriously I don't see the need to be carb phobic if everything else in the diet is all in check. I think that paleo with starch is ideal. But SAD and excess starch is problematic. And we don't need to worry about that. Please let us know how it goes!

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on June 19, 2011
at 01:01 AM

omg thank you SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!! you gave me hope, and i seem to eat very similar to you in regards to the randomness- i guess i am gonna hafta hold myself accountable for more starch. you have given me hope, thank you :)

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on June 19, 2011
at 12:31 AM

This was after doing some reading on the subject. Still no signs of ovulation- but lo and behold, the period retuned after that week of consuming starch!! Even with no ovulation! It was light, but it was still something at least. Now I am going to include at least a little safe starch every day and see where that goes. I don't think that the inclusion of starch will make me blow up again - after all it was chips, sugar, cakes, cookies and wheat that piled on the pounds, not yams and kumara, lol

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

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on June 19, 2011
at 12:26 AM

I chart my basal body temp every morning for contraceptive purposes, and discovered that I stopped ovulating. Prior to this I always exhibited a nice temp shift after ovulation, but since march, no temp shifts were observed. Carried on eating low carb - note I was still feeling great on low carb, energetic, good mental focus etc. Then started to get anxious about possible pregnancy, etc. Turns out I'm not preggers, and that the period is just AWOL. This has never happened to me before and was quite worrying. Then a couple of weeks ago I decided to add about 100g of starch daily.

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

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on June 19, 2011
at 12:21 AM

Hello fellow starch experimenter! Okay, so just after christmas last year, I decided to go very low carb, to lose body fat. Didn't count calories or anything like that, but ate 'intuitively' which works well as I don't have issues with satiety, etc. Some days I would eat a whole tray of fatty lamb ribs, then the next day My body would only need white fish and greens - these are extreme examples, but it balanced out in the end. I did end up dropping a few points of body fat and the old tum looked a little leaner. Had very light periods until march 2011, then they stopped altogether.

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on June 18, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Mallory--Why one or the other? I'm eating about 200ish grams of carbs a day, and I can easily fit them both in. Grok-- I'd actually argue the tubers are healthier. More potassium and no fructose.

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on June 18, 2011
at 06:34 PM

I am following a similar diet too, with my goal also being weight gain.

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on June 18, 2011
at 03:43 PM

hello my new best firend this is the route i am currently trying, if you could expand on your experience i would love yoU!!!

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

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on June 18, 2011
at 03:41 PM

to add to grok, if you do fruit dont do starch....try both and see which one makes you feel better. IME, the more fruit the less everything else. i stick with starch

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on June 18, 2011
at 02:03 PM

Thoughts on making this work for a guy who does heavy lifting twice a week (Tues and Fri) and met-con three times a week (Mon, Wed, Sat)? Strong and relatively lean are my main goals. I like to be able to run a little but usually keep it to shorter runs during met-con workouts. I've always been curious about an anabolic diet like this but wasn't sure I could make it work for me. Thanks.

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on June 18, 2011
at 12:53 PM

nice one, Andy. I always try and bring in classic methods that are time-tested and proven from the bodybuilding world on these boards. Just done with paleo food choices. Like you're saying. These methods work and its never made sense to me that "normal" people looking to get leaner or whatever don't look to people who do it all the time, cyclically, professionally, for advice. Its like the info is right there in our faces and no one goes for it. I am not a bodybuilder, in fact i fall more on the strength side versus hypertrophy but theres no denying BBuilders know what they're talking about.

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on June 18, 2011
at 12:50 PM

The main reason is growing up i never liked fruit. As a kid i mean. No relation to any kind of diet or whatever, just never cared at all. Now at 31 there is still simply no romance there. I know berries and someothers are tasty but they have no draw for me i suppose. Then, thinking more critically or whatever, I just think getting my carbohydrate from starch/glucose is wiser; and related to the first reason, tastier for me. So I kind of have my cake and eat it, too. I am not irrational though and do not believe that fructose till unduly damage an otherwise healthy fit person.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

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on June 18, 2011
at 09:15 AM

The good old anabolic diet. Back in the day it was my favorite way of low carbing - cycling them.

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on June 18, 2011
at 07:03 AM

Eat the fruit. Superior. Sounds like you've got a solid start though.

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on June 18, 2011
at 03:09 AM

@ben: Curious re: no fruit ever?

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on June 18, 2011
at 02:36 AM

Forgot to mention that I eat no fruit, ever.

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at 02:31 AM

great tip! Thanks.

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183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

on June 18, 2011
at 02:13 AM

I eat up to 100g of carbs most days, in the form of kumara (sweet potato), swedes (rutabaga), yams and potatoes. No fruit. Only form of exercise is walking everywhere and maybe bodyweight stuff twice a week- sedentary the rest of the time. Intermittently fast perhaps 3-4 days outt of the week (16/8)

Funny bit of info- I went very low carb for about 6 months, and ended up losing my period for the last 3 months of that. Decided to introduce starches, and got my period again after a week of kumara consumption. Just throwing that out there for very low carb ladies who have stopped menstruating - perhaps your endocrine system needs some starch?

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on June 18, 2011
at 02:31 AM

great tip! Thanks.

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on June 18, 2011
at 03:43 PM

hello my new best firend this is the route i am currently trying, if you could expand on your experience i would love yoU!!!

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on June 19, 2011
at 12:31 AM

This was after doing some reading on the subject. Still no signs of ovulation- but lo and behold, the period retuned after that week of consuming starch!! Even with no ovulation! It was light, but it was still something at least. Now I am going to include at least a little safe starch every day and see where that goes. I don't think that the inclusion of starch will make me blow up again - after all it was chips, sugar, cakes, cookies and wheat that piled on the pounds, not yams and kumara, lol

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on June 19, 2011
at 12:21 AM

Hello fellow starch experimenter! Okay, so just after christmas last year, I decided to go very low carb, to lose body fat. Didn't count calories or anything like that, but ate 'intuitively' which works well as I don't have issues with satiety, etc. Some days I would eat a whole tray of fatty lamb ribs, then the next day My body would only need white fish and greens - these are extreme examples, but it balanced out in the end. I did end up dropping a few points of body fat and the old tum looked a little leaner. Had very light periods until march 2011, then they stopped altogether.

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on June 19, 2011
at 05:43 AM

Yeah go for the starch! Seriously I don't see the need to be carb phobic if everything else in the diet is all in check. I think that paleo with starch is ideal. But SAD and excess starch is problematic. And we don't need to worry about that. Please let us know how it goes!

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on June 19, 2011
at 01:01 AM

omg thank you SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!! you gave me hope, and i seem to eat very similar to you in regards to the randomness- i guess i am gonna hafta hold myself accountable for more starch. you have given me hope, thank you :)

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on June 19, 2011
at 12:26 AM

I chart my basal body temp every morning for contraceptive purposes, and discovered that I stopped ovulating. Prior to this I always exhibited a nice temp shift after ovulation, but since march, no temp shifts were observed. Carried on eating low carb - note I was still feeling great on low carb, energetic, good mental focus etc. Then started to get anxious about possible pregnancy, etc. Turns out I'm not preggers, and that the period is just AWOL. This has never happened to me before and was quite worrying. Then a couple of weeks ago I decided to add about 100g of starch daily.

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095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 18, 2011
at 03:51 AM

I eat an ancestral anabolic diet. No, no caveman ever ate an anabolic diet intentionally. However because of the easy energy, good taste, and variety from starches and fruits, it stands to reason that when they were available he would gorge himself on them.

I used to do the same thing for bodybuilding purposes. I'd keep myself in a fat burning metabolism all week long by eating a high fat, moderate protein diet. That way my body was burning fat for energy, and keeping me lean while I built muscle. Then for 24 - 36 hours I'd gorge on carbs and keep my fat high...lasagna, spaghetti, waffles with bacon and syrup...you get the idea...a cheat weekend.

Well now I do the same thing, but I make better, healthier choices for my carbs. Tubers, winter squashes (like butternut), nuts (not high carb but a good balance of protein, carbs, and fat), and fruit. I also include some whole milk. I spend the day before my heaviest training day of the week eating about 1g of carbs/lb of body weight, just like I do protein most days. Then breakfast the morning of "heavy day" is also a carb/fat meal. So my biggest insulin/growth spiking time, my most anabolic state, is right after this day.

The advantage of this is that I stay lean all the time, add muscle without getting fat, get stronger, and get to balance my fat burning, muscle building, insulin, testosterone, and other hormone production so that I've go the right ones at the right time for my goals.

Your goals are likely different from mine, but you asked where the carbs come from...and that's where I get mine.

Oh yeah, about once a month I completely cheat and have a "bad" food meal too. Baked beans with pork ribs and potato salad...possibly even bread if I'm feeling especially evil. Hey, one meal is better than 150 of them...I eat 5 times a day.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 18, 2011
at 12:53 PM

nice one, Andy. I always try and bring in classic methods that are time-tested and proven from the bodybuilding world on these boards. Just done with paleo food choices. Like you're saying. These methods work and its never made sense to me that "normal" people looking to get leaner or whatever don't look to people who do it all the time, cyclically, professionally, for advice. Its like the info is right there in our faces and no one goes for it. I am not a bodybuilder, in fact i fall more on the strength side versus hypertrophy but theres no denying BBuilders know what they're talking about.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on June 18, 2011
at 09:15 AM

The good old anabolic diet. Back in the day it was my favorite way of low carbing - cycling them.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on June 18, 2011
at 02:03 PM

Thoughts on making this work for a guy who does heavy lifting twice a week (Tues and Fri) and met-con three times a week (Mon, Wed, Sat)? Strong and relatively lean are my main goals. I like to be able to run a little but usually keep it to shorter runs during met-con workouts. I've always been curious about an anabolic diet like this but wasn't sure I could make it work for me. Thanks.

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:08 PM

Tom R, the beauty of the old anabolic diet (per Dipisquale)...my way is just ancestral and healthier is that it doesn't have to be 24 to 48 hours in a row. Dinner the night before and breakfast the morning of...if he lifts in the evenings... just load the day of the heavy lifting...and cut the carbs off after the workout. I wouldn't do it daily, but twice a week should be fine... it worked for those who followed the original, I don't see why it wouldn't work for those of us who do it eating healthier, ancestral foods.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 18, 2011
at 01:24 AM

I eat about 225-250 grams of carbohydrate daily.

Usually sweet potatoes with lunch, white potatoes with dinner, coconut water pre and post workout.

Occasionally I'll have sprouted corn tortillas in the afternoon for some variety. food For life company.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 18, 2011
at 02:36 AM

Forgot to mention that I eat no fruit, ever.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 18, 2011
at 03:09 AM

@ben: Curious re: no fruit ever?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 18, 2011
at 12:50 PM

The main reason is growing up i never liked fruit. As a kid i mean. No relation to any kind of diet or whatever, just never cared at all. Now at 31 there is still simply no romance there. I know berries and someothers are tasty but they have no draw for me i suppose. Then, thinking more critically or whatever, I just think getting my carbohydrate from starch/glucose is wiser; and related to the first reason, tastier for me. So I kind of have my cake and eat it, too. I am not irrational though and do not believe that fructose till unduly damage an otherwise healthy fit person.

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on June 18, 2011
at 06:23 PM

My daily carbs (up to 200g) excluding green veg are from berries, a tiny bit of other sorts of fruits, almond butter, coconut water, tapioca pearl, white potatoes, sweet potatoes, other tubers, white rice, and some good ol' refined sugar in chocolate, ice cream, and custard.

My goals are good health, improved strength, and weight gain: muscle and fat. I'm naturally lean for a woman no matter what, so much so that I still look a bit emaciated (front of shoulder,s chest, ribs) and/or overly cut for my taste (back muscles) in my upper body even though I've gained weight, mostly muscle, on paleo. My current diet is working very well.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on June 18, 2011
at 06:34 PM

I am following a similar diet too, with my goal also being weight gain.

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on June 18, 2011
at 03:37 AM

Potatoes & Sweet Potatoes about 3 times /week. Rice about once a week, though i am trying to ween myself off my (sadly) persisting chocolate addiction by cooking rice pudding (plain w/ fruit) more often atm.

Fruits usually only Kiwi or Berries, Bananas are like candy bars to me. Melons or Pineapple smoothies (ripe pineapple + crushed ice 50/50, blended) are a good option for hot days too.

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215d3126214343a5760316f195a06b97

on June 18, 2011
at 02:14 AM

Do bananas count? I eat like 2 a day.. every day.

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on June 18, 2011
at 01:29 AM

Sweet potato and I'm growing some multi colored potatoes. Can't wait for blue mash and chips! My kids like "sushi night". So rice is once a week or so. After VLC for soooo long, a little nightly carb is feeling pretty great. I sleep better too.

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