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Why does high dose magnesium relieve my water retention

Commented on June 04, 2014
Created May 21, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Hi,

I suffer from "carb face" and generally have to be on a very low carb diet in order to reduce the water retention predominantly in my face.

I've noticed that 2 things help. The first is 24-hour water-only fasting. The second is high dose magnesium (http://dekaria.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/high-dose-magnesium-helps-relieve-carb-face/).

Can anyone help explain why these work? I am looking for ways to reduce this, so that my diet does not have to be so extreme.

Thanks.

Dek

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on June 04, 2014
at 10:04 AM

Thanks, I was thinking electrolytes too. Where can I go to find out about the "interesting effects on electrolytes" of a ketogenic diet? Will be sure to get hold of those books, I am easily 2:1 or higher.

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on June 04, 2014
at 10:02 AM

That is interesting. I take magnesium taurate, though it seems any form helps.

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on June 04, 2014
at 08:10 AM

some forms of magnesium are 'saline laxatives', that is to say, 'they attract and retain water in the intestinal lumen, thus softening the stool' (dose dependent i guess). according to wiki, these are; magnesium citrate, magnesium hydroxide (Milk of magnesia or Cream of magnesia), magnesium sulfate (a.k.a. Epsom salt).

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on June 03, 2014
at 06:13 PM

Thanks. I tried to find references to magnesium acting as a diuretic, but I couldn't - would appreciate it if you know of any.

Yes that very easy fix does work. I have to replace the calories normally consumed from carbs with fats (replacing with protein does not seem to work as well).

The problem is on such a high fat diet my DHT has become very high (3 times the upper range).

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on June 02, 2014
at 04:59 PM

Thanks but I already follow my diet with cronometer (it is fine) and blood tests are also fine.

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on May 27, 2014
at 02:19 PM

I posted those pictures simply to illustrate what it looks like for me, rather than as an example of the effect of water retention. With me, it is not fat, the effect can be extreme within 48 hours of eating carbs. A 24-hour fast will completely eliminate it.

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on May 22, 2014
at 11:52 PM

may be you are not getting enough magnesium from your diet and are deficient. prob worth checking using something like cronometer.com (if you do not already know)

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on May 22, 2014
at 06:11 PM

those pictures are over three years, not immediate response to carb intake. Nikoley was fat, and carried some of that fat in his face (as we all do to some level). As he lost weight, he lost fat in his face -- it's fat loss, not water loss.

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on May 22, 2014
at 08:53 AM

Trust me it is a very noticeable effect! Very apparent and very reproducible amongst those who suffer. Look at the bottom set of pictures here for an example: http://freetheanimal.com/2009/05/carb-face-wheat-belly.html

But in me it's even more extreme.

Not convinced about the laxative effect, I take less than bowel tolerance and do not see the same effect with for example high dose vit-c which is also a laxative. (but interesting idea)

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on May 21, 2014
at 02:26 PM

I would like to know about this too. I retain water in my body (extremities, face). Is 2x200mg considered high? I don't know too much about magnesium. Thanks for bringing this up, maybe we can get some advise!

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on June 03, 2014
at 07:56 PM

The magnesium thing hints to me that you might have an electrolyte issue. If you also have muscle aches when it's not logical to have them, then I'd definitely suspect an electrolyte imbalance. You might recheck your carb amounts in your diet because if you go too far into HFLC, you'll end up on the Ketogenic Diet, which has interesting effects on electrolytes. If you think you might be at 2:1 Keto or higher, then look into Kossoff/Freeman's Ketogenic Diets book where they explain how to prevent the side effects like acidosis (or treat them).

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at 10:04 AM

Thanks, I was thinking electrolytes too. Where can I go to find out about the "interesting effects on electrolytes" of a ketogenic diet? Will be sure to get hold of those books, I am easily 2:1 or higher.

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at 06:03 PM

Every molecule of glucose you hold on to will hold on to something like 3-4 of water.

Magnesium can be a diuretic depending on the type you consume. The cheap stuff is the worst to use as a supplement, but the best to get rid of excess water. It will help pull out water from your colon, and give you loose stools, so in that way, it will help you get rid of excess water. But, if you were bloated, you need to find the root cause.

If it's excess carbs, there's a very easy fix, stop consuming as much carbs, limit your intake to something like 50g-150g/day and see what happens.

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on June 03, 2014
at 06:13 PM

Thanks. I tried to find references to magnesium acting as a diuretic, but I couldn't - would appreciate it if you know of any.

Yes that very easy fix does work. I have to replace the calories normally consumed from carbs with fats (replacing with protein does not seem to work as well).

The problem is on such a high fat diet my DHT has become very high (3 times the upper range).

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on May 21, 2014
at 04:33 PM

Are there side by side pictures of this? Seems a bit silly, I understand carbs can cause bloating, but to a noticeable degree in facial tissue??

On the magnesium note, I know higher doses of magnesium or other supplements can act as a laxative which could explain it.

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on May 22, 2014
at 08:53 AM

Trust me it is a very noticeable effect! Very apparent and very reproducible amongst those who suffer. Look at the bottom set of pictures here for an example: http://freetheanimal.com/2009/05/carb-face-wheat-belly.html

But in me it's even more extreme.

Not convinced about the laxative effect, I take less than bowel tolerance and do not see the same effect with for example high dose vit-c which is also a laxative. (but interesting idea)

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