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Who Here Just Cannot Lose Weight unless they take out Fruit/carbs?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 04, 2013 at 4:11 AM

I'm not sure if it's due to different metabolisms, but who just can't seem to lose weight unless they go low carb (no fruit/carbs basically just eggs, vegetables, meat, and healthy fats) AND watch their calories? This seems to be MY experience over and over again. No matter if I count cals, and only have 1-2 fruits a day and no other carbs, my body just won't let go of fat stores unless I cut all non-vegetable carbs completely. Anyone else? I'd love for you to share your experiences b/c I often wonder if I'm alone in this. Is this (low carb) the way you plan to be for life?

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 10:21 PM

Thank you for your insight!!

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on March 04, 2013
at 08:41 PM

Also, excess carotene acts like a PUFA and slows down metabolism. You could get excess carotene from cooked carrots or carrot juice, but probably not from raw carrots.

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on March 04, 2013
at 08:37 PM

Ray Peat claims that starches are more fattening than sugar. http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/glycemia.shtml If you want to make sugars instead of starches your main carbohydrate source, you could make non-starchy fruits your main source of carbohydrates. These could be, for example, orange juice, grapes, watermelon.

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on March 04, 2013
at 08:34 PM

How long have you been avoiding PUFAs? I've been avoiding them for 11 months and I lost 28 pounds (but very gradually, over 11 months). My diet is dairy, fruits, eggs, meat, and chocolate, coffee, salt, sugar, gelatin.

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on March 04, 2013
at 08:06 PM

intake to lifting days. On rest days lower carb intake. Will the calorie deficit you can lose a bit of weight, but will the carb surplus you can hopefully maintain muscle mass. It seems that most people undereat.. Once you calculate your TEE you might be shocked.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on March 04, 2013
at 08:05 PM

I do exercise intensely, but nothing insane. 250 carbs isn't really that much after 45 minutes of throwing around heavy weights. It's not better to lose weight and then lean out.. if you think about it that is working in reverse. If you are really overweight it would make sense to just focus on weight loss and then try and build muscle, but in order to build muscle you must eat a lot of food... that is the only way muscles are made. I would recommend calculating your REE (resting energy expenditure), then your TEE (total energy expenditure) and decreasing cals by 20%. But concentrate your carb

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 06:07 PM

Well said dragonfly! Same for me. And thank you DH!

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on March 04, 2013
at 06:03 PM

eat more protein, esp purine rich sources i.e. lean red meats, seafoods. cut out more carbs and excess fat too

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on March 04, 2013
at 06:03 PM

Young men don't seem to do well on low carb, likely because of more muscle mass/higher metabolism/more activity.

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on March 04, 2013
at 06:01 PM

A lot of women (on the Paleo forums) seem to need to cut the carbs while losing. I find that lower carb keeps my appetite in check and I eat less as a result.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 05:46 PM

But do you work out a lot? I am conscious with the amounts I eat if I do eat them, only 1-2 fruits a day, and one serving of safe starch all while watching calories. But my weight won't budge with those things... maybe partly b/c I'm not INTENSELY active as I am assuming you are?

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 04:50 PM

Wow congrats!!! 70 lbs is amazing!!! Yah for me since I have a little less to lose just like you can only eat 1 apple a day nothing more, for me, since I need to lose about 20 lbs max, it seems I can't even have 1 apple. Nothing insulin raising. :/ Congrats again though!! 70 LBS!! Incredible!!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 04:48 PM

Thank you for this! I am 5"1 and 136, looking to lose about 20 lbs. I always thought (for me) it was better to lose weight and THEN lean up, because when i try to lean up when I'm still overweight, I just end up looking bulkier. But I've never been able to get to my leanest even at 116 (the least I really wanna be) and I think that's because I wasn't exercising enough for body re-composition (my goal when i get lean is to build a strong core) but I never know what exercises to do for it. You must be exercising intensely at 250 carbs a day!! Congrats!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 05:30 AM

No :/ absolutely no soy, just paleo foods.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 05:29 AM

Were you low carb first though? And then decided to bring in post workout starch after a long time of low carb? B/c I think post workout starch works better at muscle building/fat loss after you've lost weight. I might be wrong, but just a thought b/c I think a lot of people could attest to trying to lose fat by just working out + eating carbs to no avail. I know it's different for every person though. Thanks for sharing!

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on March 04, 2013
at 04:53 AM

Do you consume soy, raw cabbage, or significant sources of PUFA? (I asked because these things can slow down thyroid function and metabolism)

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61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on March 04, 2013
at 02:59 PM

To control my glucose levels, I keep carbs below 50g per 24 hours and lost weight. I can have one apple or orange a day, but no more. I lost weight more steadily when I upped carbs to between 75g and 100g per 24 hours, but lost control of my glucose. Definitely a double-edged sword, but control over glucose levels is more important to me and I will take whatever weight loss that comes with it. I am down 70 lbs, but still have a significant amount to lose. YMMV, especially if you don't have a significant amount to lose.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 04, 2013
at 04:50 PM

Wow congrats!!! 70 lbs is amazing!!! Yah for me since I have a little less to lose just like you can only eat 1 apple a day nothing more, for me, since I need to lose about 20 lbs max, it seems I can't even have 1 apple. Nothing insulin raising. :/ Congrats again though!! 70 LBS!! Incredible!!

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on March 04, 2013
at 04:27 AM

I think I'm in the same boat, just in denial about it. I'm curious to see what other experiences are.

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on March 05, 2013
at 02:40 AM

  • I know nothing about the following this is purely speculation* ... I wonder if because your liver must process fructose and your liver is also responsible for releasing fat from storage that for some people doing both is not an option? I have recently learned that if you are dehydrated your liver must help out the kidneys effectively hindering fat burning. Maybe the same type of logic applies here. For some people fruit is more taxing on the liver for others for whatever reason. For the record I do not think fruit is evil or anything and I enjoy it whenever the mood strikes.

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on March 05, 2013
at 02:01 AM

That's me as well.

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on March 04, 2013
at 10:40 PM

I have to seriously cut back on starches for losing weight... Carbs from non-starchy veggies in and of themselves don't seem to halt my weight loss (if anything they help immensely with satiation), but fruits, nuts and tubers seem to completely stall me out.

Normally, I'm in a pretty deep state of ketosis as long as my carbs are between 50 and 75g, but the second I add in more than one serving per week of fruits, nuts or tubers, the color on the ketostix goes all pale--even if I keep my daily carb count under 75g.

Personally, I'm very overweight (ok, I'll be honest, morbidly obese) and I still have a TON of weight to lose... so I'm guessing that with how messed up my metabolism and hormone levels are, that I'm just super carb sensitive right now.

I'd love to (and sincerely hope) get to the point where my body doesn't react so strongly to starchy carbs--to me, that means that my hormones and metabolism have been repaired. For now, I just take it as a given that fruits, nuts and tubers are super special treats that I have to seriously limit.

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on March 04, 2013
at 07:06 PM

I can lose weight in ketosis and still eat small portion of fruit each day.

I have also been able to lose weight slowly eating a small portion of fruit each day and some "safe starches" like white rice and potatoes. This is with some exercise but not a lot. This strategy can be easier because I can eat carbs, but also harder for me to keep control over the amount of carbs.

I think the 2 months I spent doing pretty strict low-carb probably helped me deal with carbs/starch better.

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on March 04, 2013
at 05:28 PM

My body composition diminishes if I remove carbs from my diet, especially upon the removal or starchy root vegetables.

But, then again, I distinguish between weight loss and fat loss and in burning ketones and burning fat.

I am somewhat sensitive to fruit/fructose, so for me starchy root vegetables give more bang for buck. I do eat fruit though, just am more conscious of the amounts.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 05:46 PM

But do you work out a lot? I am conscious with the amounts I eat if I do eat them, only 1-2 fruits a day, and one serving of safe starch all while watching calories. But my weight won't budge with those things... maybe partly b/c I'm not INTENSELY active as I am assuming you are?

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06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

on March 04, 2013
at 03:16 PM

Hm, that's a complicated question. If you're talking about strict weight loss.. yes, I have to basically eat just protein in order to lose any reasonable amount of weight. But weight loss on it's own if you're not overweight is kind of pointless. I think a lot of people (especially women) have a strange number in their head that they fixate on.. even if that number is not sustainable for their body. For me, I always had that number. I am currently 30 and spent a few years fixating on a number that I weighed when I was in my earlier 20s. Of course I was younger, but other than that I was super skinny mostly because I was an under eating, party animal. I didn't do any weight lifting at all.. did lots of low impact cardio and was not some super skinny picture of health like I tried to lead myself to believe.

Once I let go of the fact that I will never again be at that weight and started focusing instead on recomp I have made significant strides. I currently lift heavy weights 3 days/week and do some form of light/moderate cardio on rest days. I eat a lot of food in order to build muscle. This means around 250 carbs per day, about 100-150 grams protein and plenty of fat.. sometimes I even eat more. I aim to eat as much as a I can stomach which generally means I don't go above 2500 calories. I just can't seem to surpass that number. Anyway, I am remarkably leaner, not because I have lost weight, but because I have gained muscle and therefore displaced fat.

My current weight, the one I have beeen fighting against for years is clearly the weight that my body is comfortable at. So, I find it best to work with that weight and try to have the best body composition for what I have available.

I hope that makes sense. If you have a lot of weight to lose and this doesn't apply to you.. ignore it! ;)

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 04, 2013
at 08:05 PM

I do exercise intensely, but nothing insane. 250 carbs isn't really that much after 45 minutes of throwing around heavy weights. It's not better to lose weight and then lean out.. if you think about it that is working in reverse. If you are really overweight it would make sense to just focus on weight loss and then try and build muscle, but in order to build muscle you must eat a lot of food... that is the only way muscles are made. I would recommend calculating your REE (resting energy expenditure), then your TEE (total energy expenditure) and decreasing cals by 20%. But concentrate your carb

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 04, 2013
at 08:06 PM

intake to lifting days. On rest days lower carb intake. Will the calorie deficit you can lose a bit of weight, but will the carb surplus you can hopefully maintain muscle mass. It seems that most people undereat.. Once you calculate your TEE you might be shocked.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 04, 2013
at 10:21 PM

Thank you for your insight!!

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 04, 2013
at 04:48 PM

Thank you for this! I am 5"1 and 136, looking to lose about 20 lbs. I always thought (for me) it was better to lose weight and THEN lean up, because when i try to lean up when I'm still overweight, I just end up looking bulkier. But I've never been able to get to my leanest even at 116 (the least I really wanna be) and I think that's because I wasn't exercising enough for body re-composition (my goal when i get lean is to build a strong core) but I never know what exercises to do for it. You must be exercising intensely at 250 carbs a day!! Congrats!

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on March 04, 2013
at 04:45 AM

I don't know about fruit...but large amounts of post workout starch (white rice & potatoes) with very little fat has actually drastically improved my body composition. No weight loss though..just lots of muscle gain/fat loss

I did lose tons of weight on Very Low Carb...but I also lost all my muscle.

*be aware...that weight loss might just be muscle glycogen depletion.. I've been there

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 04, 2013
at 05:29 AM

Were you low carb first though? And then decided to bring in post workout starch after a long time of low carb? B/c I think post workout starch works better at muscle building/fat loss after you've lost weight. I might be wrong, but just a thought b/c I think a lot of people could attest to trying to lose fat by just working out + eating carbs to no avail. I know it's different for every person though. Thanks for sharing!

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