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Painted Myself into a Carb-less Corner

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 16, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Over the span of 2 or 3 years, I have gradually decreased my carb intake to under 50g a day. This was not based on any protocol--it just naturally happened because I kept finding that eating carbs would exacerbate my rheumatoid arthritis inflammation as well as unwanted psychological effects, such as brain fog, irritability, anxiety and depression.

So I stayed away from them more and more, all the while becoming more and more sensitive to them. But now I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I like carbs, and feel that they are helpful to my body. I want to get back on the carb wagon, at least just a little bit, but I've become so sensitive to them that just a teeny bit will throw my body through a loop it does not want to go through. I am 110lb and 5'10", by the way, so very skinny. I have always been this skinny, though, high carb or low.

I feel stuck. I don't know what to do. It's not easy being this low carb. My diet is severely restricted. I am a college senior, by the way.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Also make sure you supplement Magnesium and are getting enough A & K from food sources to ensure D3 has all the co-factors it needs.

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on May 18, 2013
at 01:51 AM

Of course I have. And that would *not* qualify as a low-fructose carb.

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on May 18, 2013
at 01:51 AM

hmm. so maybe those night carb cravings are there for a reason, huh?

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on May 18, 2013
at 01:18 AM

i had to check to make sure it wasn't me that posted this sounds like my dilemma carbs are good for me in many ways but i eventually became too sensitive to them to consume them after having a previous sensitivity fixed by going low carb but eventually it only made it worse and i became more sensitive in the end...eating them at night gave me enough carbs to regain the ability to metabolize them while mainting the benefits of low carb in the day thorugh intermittent fasting and fasted weightlifting maybe someday i will be able to eat them through the day again

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

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on May 17, 2013
at 01:01 PM

Have you tried fruit?

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on May 16, 2013
at 09:35 PM

If I keep my blood level at or slightly above 80 ng/ml by taking 8,000 IUs of D3, I have NO asthma symptoms. At 57 ng/ml (my test results with lots of sun & salmon), my asthma symptoms came back. Get tested! More info at www.vitamindcouncil.org

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on May 16, 2013
at 09:35 PM

In my experience (and others on PH) and based on my research, folks with auto-immune conditions need to get their blood level up to 80-100 ng/ml to see an anti-inflammatory affect from D3.

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on May 16, 2013
at 07:27 PM

...such as? My problems seem to arise with *any* type of carb--chickpeas, sweet potato, rice, what have you...

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on May 16, 2013
at 07:26 PM

Though I have rheumatoid arthritis (inflammation obviously a problem), I take more than enough omega 3s, sleep to satiation, and pretty sure the D3 level is fine, too. I get lots of sunlight, eat lots of salmon and other oily fish. Carbs still suck for me.

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on May 16, 2013
at 06:55 PM

Man, I was just talking about this with a co-worker. I've been training for a marathon and have been depleting glycogen for a few weeks doing nearly zero carb. Have been re-feeding for a few days and barely able to function due to the carb fog. Feels like a truck hitting me in the evening. I think a VERY gradual increase in carbs is what it's going to take to get back to the amount you want. Good Luck.

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2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

on May 17, 2013
at 01:04 PM

I was zero carb for a couple of years so can relate. When I chose to add back carbs for my health I added both sweet potatoes and squash and fruit. Sweet potatoes and squash hurt my stomach and caused me all kinds of digestion issues. However, the sweeter the fruit and the less fiber, the less it hurts my stomach. I enjoy frozen organic sweet cherries, blueberries, strawberries that are really ripe and small, some dates, pineapple and mango. All seem to have no negative effects and very many positive effects. Muscle gain, increase in body temperature, general alertness and tons of energy, smoother and better skin.

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on May 16, 2013
at 08:40 PM

The only thing I can think of is gradually reintroducing carbs with a low glycemic impact, just a small serving a day at first. Maybe start with some soaked legumes like green lentils or navy beans at first, then try some mung or adzuki beans. You might then work in some sprouted quinoa (I know you can buy it in bulk at Whole Foods and some other stores of that ilk), and maybe some sprouted brown rice?

Wish I could help but I'm in a similar boat. I lived off carbs when I was vegan about a year ago, but I started developing such horrible reactions to sugar and starch that I switched to a very low carb diet very fast. I'm 5'11" and I dropped from 140 to 117 lbs over several months. My blood pressure is chronically low, I'm severely fatigued, and my muscles don't repair properly, but I've been unsuccessful every time I've reintroduced more carbs. Soo... I understand.

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on May 18, 2013
at 01:22 AM

gorge on carbs before bed fast in the day with exercise fixed all my problems including the dependency on ketosis for optimal mental functioning. you mentioned brain fog anxiety and depression from carbs i get all those symptoms as well. not no more though. try it out and see if it works for you. i am also a student and need to perform at my best mentally day in day out so i can sympathize with that lifestyle demand.

but staying in ketosis or low carb all the time conflicted with my exercise demands. and exercise is the best medicine for fixing the original reason why most people need to go low carb in the first place: carbohydrate intolerance...

what an ironic set of affairs.

you go low carb because you can't handle eating carbs but the thing which will help you eat them is the thing that suffers when you don't eat them.

so the current plan i am on/devised is a radical version of intermittent fasting modified on one particular macro nutrient: carbohydrate. basically eating carbs at night night very late before bed and fasting all day until i am pretty hungry eating some protein fat to keep me going until night then carbfest begins. good for sleep too.

my body composition is the best it has ever been

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on May 18, 2013
at 01:51 AM

hmm. so maybe those night carb cravings are there for a reason, huh?

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on May 17, 2013
at 10:07 PM

What carbs did you eat? Try eating fruit, dates, chocolate milk. Check into Ray Peats stuff. Everyone is different, I don't suggest following any particular guru. FWIW though, I went VLC - zero carb for over a year and never felt good. Everything got better once I added in sugar. Don't really eat starch though. It's all self experimentation I suppose, but where you are at now is really no good. Body needs sugar.

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on May 17, 2013
at 03:59 PM

Personally I feel it's best you seek medical advice. You need to understand why your body seems to reject carbohydrates, or at least why it causes an inflammatory response, and you need to get your body weight up by at least 20 lbs.

Do you have digestion issues? If so the inflammatory response might be due to a leaky gut and Candida overgrowth. In this case the only carbs you should go with are fruits, which means you'll be on a Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Starchy veggies are bad. But if you have no digestion woes then ... go see a doctor. Regardless, it might take quite some time to sort this out.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

_Lazza

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on May 17, 2013
at 03:08 PM

It sounds to me like you naturally found your way to the KickAS diet, see the food list here & poke around the site for more info. I carry the HLA-B27 gene that increases risk for AS myself. I already have celiac and since autoimmune runs in packs, I try to manage any other indicators of other AIs, like my arthritis-like symptoms. Simple sugars from fruits, as mentioned above, are considered safe. I find that if I am feeling achy and crummy, it's best to stick to the "generally safe" food column. Dried fruits are fine for me but I portion control those. I have found that after I have been strict a while, I can have some modest portions of starches without much trouble, ymmv. I portion control things like sweet potatoes and parsnips. A 1/2 to a third of a sweet potato is a serving for me. As long as I sour them, I can eat small amounts of pseudocereals too. I keep a sourdough starter from teff and then sometimes make batches of waffles or injera. I actually do better with that than with white rice. Probably if I soaked or soured the rice, I'd do better. Spring roll wrappers and rice noodles suit me better than the actual grain too so it makes me wonder what the processing does to the starches.

You may want to look into GAPs and SCD also as ways to get your gut flora in order.

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on May 17, 2013
at 11:56 AM

Hi Dan, I am in a similar situation, I find simple sugars the best option (i.e. Fructose and Glucose), as they do not trigger auto immune problems so readily. I have a current protocol of one apple, one orange, a table spoon of raw honey, per day plus the usual green veg adds up to over 50g and keeps me ticking away not too bad, without triggering the awful auto immune related problems.

I would be interested if this works for anyone else, as I was posting something similar. People seem to dislike fructose in particular but in these low quantities I can see the harm.

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on May 16, 2013
at 09:34 PM

Actually, what I am seeing suggests simpler sugars- dates work well for this- in the evening. You probably should go so far as to eat them separate from fat. The fat/carb mix appears to increase the insulin levels and keep them there for a long time.

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on May 16, 2013
at 07:19 PM

Have you considered fructose malabsorption? Maybe try reintroducing some low fructose carbs....

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on May 16, 2013
at 07:27 PM

...such as? My problems seem to arise with *any* type of carb--chickpeas, sweet potato, rice, what have you...

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on May 18, 2013
at 01:51 AM

Of course I have. And that would *not* qualify as a low-fructose carb.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on May 17, 2013
at 01:01 PM

Have you tried fruit?

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on May 16, 2013
at 06:54 PM

How's your D3 blood level? Omega 3 intake? Sleep?

Controlling inflammation by optimizing these factors may make carbs more viable for you.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Also make sure you supplement Magnesium and are getting enough A & K from food sources to ensure D3 has all the co-factors it needs.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on May 16, 2013
at 09:35 PM

If I keep my blood level at or slightly above 80 ng/ml by taking 8,000 IUs of D3, I have NO asthma symptoms. At 57 ng/ml (my test results with lots of sun & salmon), my asthma symptoms came back. Get tested! More info at www.vitamindcouncil.org

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on May 16, 2013
at 07:26 PM

Though I have rheumatoid arthritis (inflammation obviously a problem), I take more than enough omega 3s, sleep to satiation, and pretty sure the D3 level is fine, too. I get lots of sunlight, eat lots of salmon and other oily fish. Carbs still suck for me.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on May 16, 2013
at 09:35 PM

In my experience (and others on PH) and based on my research, folks with auto-immune conditions need to get their blood level up to 80-100 ng/ml to see an anti-inflammatory affect from D3.

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