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Need ideas for five day (spoil-free) food rations for VLC/high-fat.

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Created May 29, 2012 at 3:11 PM

I've got an endurance race in August and the Electric Forest music festival at the end of this month, both which are 5 day events. Weight isn't much of a problem for the festival, but during the race things need to be as light and compact as possible.

I need to pack snacks/meals that aren't going to throw me out of ketosis, since that is going to be my primary source of fuel for both of these events. Right now the only things that come to mind are jerky and packets of coconut oil. That'll get old pretty fast.. what else should I pack?

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on June 20, 2012
at 04:45 PM

Thanks for the update! That's good to hear. I'll order some and try it and see how it compares to my homemade stuff.

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on June 20, 2012
at 02:38 PM

Hey Mike, just wanted to let you know I got my US Wellness pemmican in last week and it's awesome. I had my none-paleo friends try it and they all hated it, but it tastes delicious to me. Although I road my bike 60 miles last weekend and at mile 30 I ate one of the pemmican bars.. sat in my stomach like a rock, so I will only be eating those at transition areas during the race or half a bar at a time.

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on May 29, 2012
at 05:52 PM

And, yes, it is much more cost effective to make it yourself. The pemmican manual has a link to Lex's manual on how to make a cheap, high capacity dehydrator to make your own jerky. I did it (and I'm not at all handy) and it worked very well.

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on May 29, 2012
at 05:51 PM

If you go with pemmican, please let us know what you decided and how it went. I really want pemmican to be a viable option for me for backpacking.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

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on May 29, 2012
at 05:43 PM

thanks for the info though!

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

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on May 29, 2012
at 05:43 PM

i have to order $130 worth of the stuff for us wellness minimum :/

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on May 29, 2012
at 04:08 PM

US Wellness does sell pemmican, but it seems to have other stuff added and it's been dried at a higher temperature. I never tried it myself, but I've read reviews by others saying it tasted rancid. Maybe they just had a bad batch. Also, of course, note I couldn't stomach my own pemmican, so maybe I messed up making it. I was going to try again sometime with a smaller batch as it really seems like the ideal backpacking food.

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on May 29, 2012
at 04:07 PM

I looked for a good source to buy it, but couldn't find anything. Lex is big into raw food, so he makes a big point of not drying the jerky at too high of a temperature. Commercially sold product has to be done at a higher temperature.

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on May 29, 2012
at 04:05 PM

I made mine without salt, but he says you can add salt to the jerky if you'd like.

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at 04:05 PM

I would guess it contains everything you need, but it's only a guess. This is what Lex says about it in his manual "When made correctly, using grass fed lean red meat, dried at a temperature below 120 deg F., and rendered fat from grass fed animals, pemmican is a complete food and no other nutrients or supplements are necessary to completely meet all human nutritional requirements. No other single food is as calorie dense or nutritionally complete."

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

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on May 29, 2012
at 04:02 PM

that would probably take care of my sodium requirements too! hmm, but what about magnesium? if i didn't want to make this, do you have any suggestion on buying it? i know i've seen it on us wellness, but they are super expensive. think i should just bite the bullet and try to make it?

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

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on May 29, 2012
at 03:53 PM

looks complicated to make. any suggestions where to buy? us wellness?

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

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on May 29, 2012
at 03:52 PM

definitely. looks pretty complicated to make, i'll probably end up buying. any suggestions where? us wellness?

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

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on May 29, 2012
at 03:52 PM

yeah definitely. looks pretty complicated to make, i'll probably end up buying. any suggestions where? us wellness?

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

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on May 29, 2012
at 03:51 PM

definitely, but i don't really feel like making it. i'll do some research, but any suggestions where to buy? us wellness?

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on May 29, 2012
at 03:50 PM

great suggestions, thanks.

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Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on May 29, 2012
at 03:56 PM

Pemmican is the obvious answer. If made with good pastured beef, it should give you all the nutrients you need. It has little to no water, so it shouldn't spoil and is light weight. One pound is ~2,945 calories. It is 50% fat by weight, so 69% of the calories are fat and 31% are protein.

Though, I tried it myself for a backpacking trip and found I couldn't stomach the stuff. I would recommend making a small batch now and trying it to make sure it works for you before making 5 day's worth. Also, of course, make sure you have plenty of water to drink.

Here are some great instructions on how to make it:

http://www.traditionaltx.us/images/PEMMICAN.pdf

Have fun!

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:02 PM

that would probably take care of my sodium requirements too! hmm, but what about magnesium? if i didn't want to make this, do you have any suggestion on buying it? i know i've seen it on us wellness, but they are super expensive. think i should just bite the bullet and try to make it?

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:05 PM

I would guess it contains everything you need, but it's only a guess. This is what Lex says about it in his manual "When made correctly, using grass fed lean red meat, dried at a temperature below 120 deg F., and rendered fat from grass fed animals, pemmican is a complete food and no other nutrients or supplements are necessary to completely meet all human nutritional requirements. No other single food is as calorie dense or nutritionally complete."

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:08 PM

US Wellness does sell pemmican, but it seems to have other stuff added and it's been dried at a higher temperature. I never tried it myself, but I've read reviews by others saying it tasted rancid. Maybe they just had a bad batch. Also, of course, note I couldn't stomach my own pemmican, so maybe I messed up making it. I was going to try again sometime with a smaller batch as it really seems like the ideal backpacking food.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:07 PM

I looked for a good source to buy it, but couldn't find anything. Lex is big into raw food, so he makes a big point of not drying the jerky at too high of a temperature. Commercially sold product has to be done at a higher temperature.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 29, 2012
at 05:43 PM

thanks for the info though!

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:05 PM

I made mine without salt, but he says you can add salt to the jerky if you'd like.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on May 29, 2012
at 05:51 PM

If you go with pemmican, please let us know what you decided and how it went. I really want pemmican to be a viable option for me for backpacking.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 29, 2012
at 05:43 PM

i have to order $130 worth of the stuff for us wellness minimum :/

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on May 29, 2012
at 05:52 PM

And, yes, it is much more cost effective to make it yourself. The pemmican manual has a link to Lex's manual on how to make a cheap, high capacity dehydrator to make your own jerky. I did it (and I'm not at all handy) and it worked very well.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on June 20, 2012
at 02:38 PM

Hey Mike, just wanted to let you know I got my US Wellness pemmican in last week and it's awesome. I had my none-paleo friends try it and they all hated it, but it tastes delicious to me. Although I road my bike 60 miles last weekend and at mile 30 I ate one of the pemmican bars.. sat in my stomach like a rock, so I will only be eating those at transition areas during the race or half a bar at a time.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on June 20, 2012
at 04:45 PM

Thanks for the update! That's good to hear. I'll order some and try it and see how it compares to my homemade stuff.

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on May 29, 2012
at 03:38 PM

Nori snack size (lots of minerals), a small amount of nuts/nut butter packets if you eat nuts (won't spoil in 5 days), freeze dried veg chips, coconut flakes or dried coconut pieces (Asian groceries). Tuna/salmon pouches.

Added: Artisana coconut butter is available in 1 oz pouches.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 29, 2012
at 03:50 PM

great suggestions, thanks.

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449e19bbd371a87b653b9b8b56736005

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on May 29, 2012
at 03:31 PM

Sounds like you might want some pemmican as well.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 29, 2012
at 03:53 PM

looks complicated to make. any suggestions where to buy? us wellness?

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 29, 2012
at 03:52 PM

yeah definitely. looks pretty complicated to make, i'll probably end up buying. any suggestions where? us wellness?

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 29, 2012
at 03:51 PM

definitely, but i don't really feel like making it. i'll do some research, but any suggestions where to buy? us wellness?

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 29, 2012
at 03:52 PM

definitely. looks pretty complicated to make, i'll probably end up buying. any suggestions where? us wellness?

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