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Does anyone else get depressed/anxious on low carb?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 28, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Today I've eaten eggs, prawns butter and avocado and I feel really anxious/depressed

Does anyone else get depressed on low carb?

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on March 04, 2013
at 09:43 PM

@Kasara - You were probably one of those kids hanging outside the back of the school, selling packs of instant oatmeal to the other kids.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on March 04, 2013
at 09:41 PM

Do intermittent fasting once you've been on the diet for a while. Starting that too soon can cause problems. Dehydrated? Low sodium? Drink some lightly salted water, if that tastes good, then you need water and electrolytes. So drink some more off and on during the day, only when it tastes good. Learned that trick from all the days I was hungover in college.

1f9527e79d0378418c6db93384e3d929

(154)

on October 17, 2012
at 05:47 PM

In case you're a girl: I've read in a couple of blogs (which included some science and testimonials) that some women can react bad to intermittent fasting. Your body is under too much stress. Here's a link http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/ If you're a guy...well actually the same as above could apply to you. If you're leptin resistent for instance. Try having breakfast 30min upon waking, 3 meals/day for a week.

1f9527e79d0378418c6db93384e3d929

(154)

on October 17, 2012
at 05:43 PM

I noticed when i was eating lower carb and couldn't sleep (felt too energetic during the night, even though i was tired) that adding a magnesium supplement really helped big time. I now sleep 99.9% of nights.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2030)

on August 15, 2012
at 02:06 AM

He may not be right but that's good advice I wish someone had told me this when I first tried lc.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on August 14, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Ambimorph: great to see your putting out some good info! I'll be checking in :).

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on August 06, 2012
at 08:47 AM

Actually, Matthew, you're wrong. For the gluconeogenesis part see http://www.ketotic.org/2012/07/ketogenic-diets-and-stress-part-i.html In part II we'll be addressing your other claim, but note for now that the first paper you cite proves the opposite of what you think. Read it carefully. I've written a little about that in the comments here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/25449/why-do-people-consider-ketosis-stressful-to-the-body/26332#26332

584cdd1a2dd83e46b8b76758f4c57b19

(600)

on June 13, 2012
at 01:23 AM

Mu friends avoid me when I'm on No carb days as I become over sensitive and cry at the drop of a hat :(

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on May 29, 2012
at 10:17 PM

also one of my main things to help reduce carbs but not entirely eliminate them is to eat VLC during the day and then eat a "normal" amount of carbs at dinner. Overall the carbs are low, but I don't feel deprived or lose glycogen and energy.

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on May 29, 2012
at 10:11 PM

(also of note - I cook hazelnuts in the pressure cooker to theoretically reduce phenols and molds.)

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on May 29, 2012
at 10:10 PM

Huntingbears - it is tough to be low carb and low-histamine in my experience unless you want to be a mostly-meat eater; I'm not a fan of that either. If you can do nuts, that might be an option, though many people have problems with them. I do ok with hazelnuts and hazelnut milk, personally (using iodine as a preservative seems to work). For me - iceberg lettuce, lard/tallow as fat, *small* amounts of dark chocolate (this has histamine, too, unfortunately - must be limited); if salicylates are not a problem - berries of various kinds. Could try lettuce wraps to mix up the meat scenario.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on May 29, 2012
at 05:21 AM

sorry, didn't wait to find out how low carb you were so i guess i eat a lot more carbs than you do. but even that is much lower than SAD. actually SAD made me sad. since i'm not zc i guess i can't really answer your question except to say don't forget to rule out other aspects of your diet.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:37 AM

OMG - this is horrible about your aunt. I will add some salt to my soup right now!!! My favorite ice-cream is chocolate... But I did not have it for a long time. I will soon though.

80890193d74240cab6dda920665bfb6c

(1528)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:13 AM

I love a big breakfast, but that's just me. I eat 2 pastured eggs scrambled in coconut oil, 2 oz. of leftover meat from the previous dinner, 1/2 avocado, and 1 cup coffee with coconut or almond milk. Lunch is 4 oz. of tuna packed in oil and 3 oz. of a leafy veggie like kale or chard. If I need a snack, it's definitely coconut butter. Dinner's 4 oz. protein - today for the holiday we had braised ribs in chile sauce and coleslaw. After dinner, I'll have some calming tea.

0607529af9b78bb5b178f7ffabdc4693

(701)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:02 AM

Absolutely. Exactly.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6244)

on May 29, 2012
at 12:56 AM

But I never felt depressed on low-carb - was way more depressed on low-fat and SAD!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6244)

on May 29, 2012
at 12:55 AM

I felt great on low-carb then not so good then gained weight on higher carb then returned to low carb with better supplementation and food and feel MUCH BETTER http://paleohacks.com/questions/111743/what-supplementation-foods-have-you-dramatically-changed-when-shifting-from-highe#axzz1wDM52cdS

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 29, 2012
at 12:41 AM

@GurlzLuvSteak, how should i increase my fat intake? I can't just live off butter haha - @coffeesnob I do have seasonal allergies and dark circles which depress the hell out of me so maye histamine is something to avoid - @bachcole thanks, I will look into that

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 29, 2012
at 12:02 AM

Personally, I have found starvation (i.e. severe calorie restriction) to be easier with the inclusion of glucose.

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

(1439)

on May 28, 2012
at 11:47 PM

Veriria, you might try just coconut oil once to see what happens. I am not saying anything bad about bananas, berries, and whey protein isolate. But the medium chain triglycerides in coconut milk and oil (more) is so unique that it might be a useful experiment. I make the first half of my day very happy and a food fast by taking a 2 tablespoons of coconut oil and a lot of water.

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

(1439)

on May 28, 2012
at 11:39 PM

I hope that this will make you even happier, VB. You are probably right, although the Inuit go months without eating anything but whale and seal products. But I think that it is bad for the thyroid to eat zero carbs. And most low carb diets and promoters say that you need carbs. The thing is that it is so difficult to get zero carbs that people often neglect to mention that you DO need carbs. My auntie managed to eliminate sodium so thoroughly that she put herself in the hospital in a coma for 2 weeks. Being a fanatic can have its down side. Yesterday I had a mango ice cream.

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

(1439)

on May 28, 2012
at 11:34 PM

HuntingBears, it is obvious that you are mistaken and are not really depressed. [[[just making fun of those who deny other people's experience]]] You may be having a Herxheimer reaction. Google it. You may try eating your normal amount of carbs but making them very low glycemic load carbs, like carrots, palm/coconut sugar, fruit, potato with skins, veggies, etc. Good luck.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on May 28, 2012
at 11:04 PM

An acute exposure to high histamine-producing foods shouldn't cause anxiety unless you have histamine intolerance. I really don't think it's the histamine, especially if the affected individual experiences no other histamine-induced symptoms like migraines, diarrhea, stomach aches, etc...

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on May 28, 2012
at 10:18 PM

Oh make a bone broth soup with veggies, and dissolve heaps of fat in it. Very satiating.

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on May 28, 2012
at 10:17 PM

Egg yolks fried in butter/coconut oil/tallow accompanied by mushrooms fried in butter, with a latte made with heavy cream + coconut oil. Lunch can be a chopped salad with tons of homemade mayo and some sardines. Maybe a hot chocolate made with cream. Dinner is a few pieces of lamb liver, accompanied by a pile of mashed cauliflower (creamy because it has tons of butter) Dessert can be coconut cream with some berries or mascarpone. High fat is easier with dairy IMO Yeah totally n=1, this is what works for me on busy work days. My job needs lots of concentration and high fat helps.

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on May 28, 2012
at 10:10 PM

Yup, 75% fat is the bomb for me. But it's all n=1, so ymmv.

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on May 28, 2012
at 10:09 PM

Eat more fat. When in doubt eat more fat. :) If you feel bad, eat more fat. Have some bone broth as well. Personally, I'd also have a nice salad with lots of dressing. :)

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:49 PM

If you are trying to suggest that glucagon makes an increase in cortisol unnecessary then YOU need to check YOUR FACTS.Low-Carb diets increase cortisol (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17785367) especially if you EXERCISE (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20436220). In fact the researchers in the latter studies said this, "In conclusion, hormonal and metabolic changes observed after depleting carbohydrate stores resemble those occurring during starvation". And RQ stayed equivalent to starvation levels in those who ate low-carb after exercising. Starvation sounds pretty stressful to me.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:44 PM

Look Potato Avenger, I'm not writing a book on gluconeogenesis, and I would hope that more than half of the people here know the glucagon is responsible for gluconeogenesis, but that was not a necessary fact for this post. And it IS A FACT that when the body needs glucose it releases cortisol. Cortisol stimulates gluconeoogenesis AND it decreases insulin sensitity, just like ketones, so the brain can get glucose, when glucose is scarce. That is why cortisol is a GLUCOcorticoid. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11724664)

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:28 PM

What is a typical say? that seems very high fat

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:24 PM

What are some low histamine alternatives? i can't just eat meat :(

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:23 PM

I prefer to live on the edge with dangerous starches.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:23 PM

Caffeine would likely have the opposite effect anyway.

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:06 PM

Potentially lots of histamine/histamine-releasing tendencies from eggs, prawns and avocado. And possibly the butter, too. Histamine is associated with anxiousness.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 28, 2012
at 08:17 PM

zero carb, but only for the day

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on May 28, 2012
at 07:44 PM

how low do you mean by low carb?

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 28, 2012
at 07:30 PM

no because i rarely drink coffee, maybe once a month

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 28, 2012
at 06:29 PM

Careful. The Pravda might catch a glimpse of this and vote to close.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 28, 2012
at 06:20 PM

Careful. The VLC Pravda might see this and vote to close.

1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on May 28, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Gluconeogenesis does not necessarily require cortisol. In a ketogenic state, the process is driven mostly by glucagon. Further, the process is not inherently stressful and neither is the transient release of cortisol. I agree that the HuntingBears should increase his/her carbohydrate intake, but make sure you get your facts straight.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 28, 2012
at 06:15 PM

I get depressed when I see others on low carb.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 28, 2012
at 06:10 PM

You better hope the pravda doesn't see this.

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5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

on May 28, 2012
at 05:22 PM

When I was first starting out with Paleo, I tried to it low-carb. Everything seemed to be well, but after about a month and a half, I started getting*very anxious and stressed out*.

What ends up happening is your body must break down protein for glucose needs, and it releases a lot of cortisol to make this happen, leaving you feeling anxious, and stressed, which inevitably leads to depression.

Do some carb refeeds. Around 250 grams twice or three times a week. Make your first one today. You'll still be "fat-adapted" with infrequent carb refeeds, but you won't suffer from low glycogen stores.

Matthew Caton NSCA - CPT

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 29, 2012
at 12:02 AM

Personally, I have found starvation (i.e. severe calorie restriction) to be easier with the inclusion of glucose.

1407bd6152d9fdbc239250385159fea1

on May 28, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Gluconeogenesis does not necessarily require cortisol. In a ketogenic state, the process is driven mostly by glucagon. Further, the process is not inherently stressful and neither is the transient release of cortisol. I agree that the HuntingBears should increase his/her carbohydrate intake, but make sure you get your facts straight.

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:44 PM

Look Potato Avenger, I'm not writing a book on gluconeogenesis, and I would hope that more than half of the people here know the glucagon is responsible for gluconeogenesis, but that was not a necessary fact for this post. And it IS A FACT that when the body needs glucose it releases cortisol. Cortisol stimulates gluconeoogenesis AND it decreases insulin sensitity, just like ketones, so the brain can get glucose, when glucose is scarce. That is why cortisol is a GLUCOcorticoid. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11724664)

5447e1f37d3ffa1525dac55be36ee454

(1019)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:49 PM

If you are trying to suggest that glucagon makes an increase in cortisol unnecessary then YOU need to check YOUR FACTS.Low-Carb diets increase cortisol (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17785367) especially if you EXERCISE (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20436220). In fact the researchers in the latter studies said this, "In conclusion, hormonal and metabolic changes observed after depleting carbohydrate stores resemble those occurring during starvation". And RQ stayed equivalent to starvation levels in those who ate low-carb after exercising. Starvation sounds pretty stressful to me.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on August 06, 2012
at 08:47 AM

Actually, Matthew, you're wrong. For the gluconeogenesis part see http://www.ketotic.org/2012/07/ketogenic-diets-and-stress-part-i.html In part II we'll be addressing your other claim, but note for now that the first paper you cite proves the opposite of what you think. Read it carefully. I've written a little about that in the comments here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/25449/why-do-people-consider-ketosis-stressful-to-the-body/26332#26332

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2030)

on August 15, 2012
at 02:06 AM

He may not be right but that's good advice I wish someone had told me this when I first tried lc.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on August 14, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Ambimorph: great to see your putting out some good info! I'll be checking in :).

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0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

(4875)

on May 29, 2012
at 02:20 AM

I go through phases, during a low-carb streak...

At first: I'm tired, a little depressed, a little cloudy, just sort of feeling overall like I'm missing something. I do get a little anxious after the tiredness passes, I feel that I have more energy than I know what to do with; I usually don't sleep more than five hours a night during this phase. This lasts the first couple days.

After that: I break through a wall (low-carb flu) and start feeling really, REALLY good. I'm elated, I'm giddy, I'm clearer than I've been in a long time, I feel like I've figured it all out. A fatty meal makes me feel like I'm flying on several illegal substances. Still sleeping five - six hours a night, but could care less because I have energy. I mean I have ENERGY! This lasts another three or four days.

At this point I'm seven - ten days in, and I start noticing that I'm snapping at people here and there. Irritability sets in; I'm not seeking trouble per se, but if anyone shows any sign of weakness or stupidity at all around me, I have ZERO patience and I pounce like a starving lion aiming to rip the throat out. If I continue in this phase, I feel like I might lose my job; it requires both patience and the ability to support those of lesser capability.

Around three - four weeks of <20g carbs, in deep keto - my irritability levels off a bit, but never completely. I feel like a predator, I'm more aggressive than I like to see in myself; if I become impatient or irritated with anything in my life, I simply cut it out. Emotional ties or value doesn't weigh in at all. I feel like I'm operating at a closer to mammalian level, really eschewing the advances in society we've made over the last thousand years. At the same time, I'm thinking exceptionally clear, I write a lot, I create, I'm busy as can be, utterly discontent with sedentary life. My house stays exceptionally clean, I get ahead at work, and generally feel like a production-machine, but at the same time, incapable of emotional attachment or really loving.

Needless to say, I eat potatoes these days. It fascinates the hell out of me from a psychological standpoint, though.

0607529af9b78bb5b178f7ffabdc4693

(701)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:02 AM

Absolutely. Exactly.

6
B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

on May 28, 2012
at 05:46 PM

I can't say that I was especially depressed, but since I started adding in a lot of carbs (ala a smoothie most mornings consisting of at least 2 bananas, berries, coconut milk, and some whey protein isolate), I've actually been happy.

I've never normally been a happy person :D

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

(1439)

on May 28, 2012
at 11:47 PM

Veriria, you might try just coconut oil once to see what happens. I am not saying anything bad about bananas, berries, and whey protein isolate. But the medium chain triglycerides in coconut milk and oil (more) is so unique that it might be a useful experiment. I make the first half of my day very happy and a food fast by taking a 2 tablespoons of coconut oil and a lot of water.

5
F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 28, 2012
at 07:07 PM

I will be honest with you - I do not feel depressed when I eat low carb BUT I almost NEVER eat low carb. I make sure to add some starchy vegetables/tubers on a daily basis. Why? I do not believe in low carb. DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

I know about people who do well on low-carb diets. My guess is that their blood sugar levels/metabolism is so screwed up, they have to do it in order to re-start it.

However (and this is my belief) long-term low-carb diets are not sustainable. I have no research or experience to back it up, but this is the deduction I have made from reading tons of literature on traditional cuisines and hunter-gatherer's diets.

And I am probably one of the happiest people on earth. Little things make me happy.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:37 AM

OMG - this is horrible about your aunt. I will add some salt to my soup right now!!! My favorite ice-cream is chocolate... But I did not have it for a long time. I will soon though.

F31d10b54b31428e189d9b771bf7b1d1

(1439)

on May 28, 2012
at 11:39 PM

I hope that this will make you even happier, VB. You are probably right, although the Inuit go months without eating anything but whale and seal products. But I think that it is bad for the thyroid to eat zero carbs. And most low carb diets and promoters say that you need carbs. The thing is that it is so difficult to get zero carbs that people often neglect to mention that you DO need carbs. My auntie managed to eliminate sodium so thoroughly that she put herself in the hospital in a coma for 2 weeks. Being a fanatic can have its down side. Yesterday I had a mango ice cream.

4
92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

on May 28, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Low fat makes me even more depressed. Also, one low carb meal like the breakfast described should not have a dramatic effect on your mood. Maybe you are just having a bad day and that has nothing to do with your diet?

Are there any ongoing factors other than the diet that are contributing to your depression/anxiety?

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183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

on May 28, 2012
at 09:24 PM

Only when I'm not getting enough fat. If I stick to fat being 75% ~ 80% of my calorie intake and the rest split between carbs and protein, I feel happy and insanely productive.

However if the fat percentage slides down and the protein goes up, I get anxious. I suspect prolonged gluconeogenesis is hard on the body.

Eat mostly fat. What little protein you eat should be high quality, like liver, eggs and whole fishes/sea creatures.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:28 PM

What is a typical say? that seems very high fat

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on May 28, 2012
at 10:18 PM

Oh make a bone broth soup with veggies, and dissolve heaps of fat in it. Very satiating.

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on May 28, 2012
at 10:10 PM

Yup, 75% fat is the bomb for me. But it's all n=1, so ymmv.

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on May 28, 2012
at 10:17 PM

Egg yolks fried in butter/coconut oil/tallow accompanied by mushrooms fried in butter, with a latte made with heavy cream + coconut oil. Lunch can be a chopped salad with tons of homemade mayo and some sardines. Maybe a hot chocolate made with cream. Dinner is a few pieces of lamb liver, accompanied by a pile of mashed cauliflower (creamy because it has tons of butter) Dessert can be coconut cream with some berries or mascarpone. High fat is easier with dairy IMO Yeah totally n=1, this is what works for me on busy work days. My job needs lots of concentration and high fat helps.

80890193d74240cab6dda920665bfb6c

(1528)

on May 29, 2012
at 04:13 AM

I love a big breakfast, but that's just me. I eat 2 pastured eggs scrambled in coconut oil, 2 oz. of leftover meat from the previous dinner, 1/2 avocado, and 1 cup coffee with coconut or almond milk. Lunch is 4 oz. of tuna packed in oil and 3 oz. of a leafy veggie like kale or chard. If I need a snack, it's definitely coconut butter. Dinner's 4 oz. protein - today for the holiday we had braised ribs in chile sauce and coleslaw. After dinner, I'll have some calming tea.

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F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on May 28, 2012
at 05:32 PM

Yes. Upping carbs in the form of sweet potatoes, other starchy vegs, fruit, and occasional rice has been helpful for anxiety and better sleep.

3
E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

on May 29, 2012
at 01:54 AM

Yes, avoiding carbs makes it harder for me to manage major depressive disorder. I do not pretend to understand why that is the case, just n=1. Now I try to carb-cycle, ala LeanGains, and just eat the majority of my carbs on workout days. This seems to be pretty manageable for me.

2
B1e683f631439c5d995b2cf9c1d72d15

on June 25, 2012
at 01:50 PM

I am bipolar and cannot do low carb high protein I get seriously clinically depressed, so carbs are low, tons of green veg but I add in a couple of packs of blueberries a day. some days the odd banana. Needs must.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 29, 2012
at 06:12 AM

Does anyone else get depressed on low carb?

Not me and I have been doing it for several years.

2
747f9c27424619fe3ae717c7455c292e

on May 28, 2012
at 09:00 PM

I felt more depressed and less energetic when I was eating VLC. I'm still pretty low carb now, but I make sure to get some "safe-starches" which has really helped.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:23 PM

I prefer to live on the edge with dangerous starches.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on March 04, 2013
at 09:43 PM

@Kasara - You were probably one of those kids hanging outside the back of the school, selling packs of instant oatmeal to the other kids.

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77fcbf8bece61c60e3ff430d4bb5de66

(383)

on May 28, 2012
at 07:02 PM

are you sure its not caffeine that's causing u to feel anxious and depressed?

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:23 PM

Caffeine would likely have the opposite effect anyway.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 28, 2012
at 07:30 PM

no because i rarely drink coffee, maybe once a month

2
F10f728978cce0aa704864401ee0cc8c

on May 28, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Try taking 5-HTP at night to boost serotonin levels. Beware that high serotonin can also leave you depressed, so I found after the first 2-3 weeks that scaling back to every other night or every 3 nights works well for me. You have to play with it a little to find your own sweet spot.

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on August 15, 2012
at 12:12 AM

when being on low carb your seretonin depletes making some people feel depressed.

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on May 28, 2012
at 07:57 PM

I think I average maybe 150gm carbs a day. So far today I've eaten two TJ apple chicken sausages, handful of walnuts, and right now I'm eating goat milk yogurt with frozen blueberries and strawberries with cinnamon. I don't feel depressed and in fact I think I am doing much better than pre-Paleo diet. I was on two or three different antidepressants and now I'm off and I don't miss them. I feel much more even keeled. I do have problems with not being able to sleep well but I don't think that it's carb related. Being cooped up indoors can make me a little edgy...are you getting enough sunshine and/or Vit D3?

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(5231)

on May 29, 2012
at 05:21 AM

sorry, didn't wait to find out how low carb you were so i guess i eat a lot more carbs than you do. but even that is much lower than SAD. actually SAD made me sad. since i'm not zc i guess i can't really answer your question except to say don't forget to rule out other aspects of your diet.

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(154)

on October 17, 2012
at 05:43 PM

I noticed when i was eating lower carb and couldn't sleep (felt too energetic during the night, even though i was tired) that adding a magnesium supplement really helped big time. I now sleep 99.9% of nights.

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on May 28, 2012
at 06:16 PM

Yes, I started low carb about a month ago and just this past week started feeling very anxious....with a constricted stomach and a feeling like cortisol was circulating.. Now I have always struggled somewhat with anxiety depression but my instincts are telling me this particular phase is due to the low carbs and I have been including some fruit and carrots and potatoes this week. I had a couple of bananas the other day and they tasted really good. This is a process. Best of luck to you... I do know that wheat and sugar are not the answer for me. I had a little bit of chocolate yesterday as I was feeling so low and it gave me digestional issues right away.

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on May 28, 2012
at 05:18 PM

Yes, I do. I don't like it and I can't go low carb for more than 4 consecutive days without including a high carb reefed. I just feel dead inside otherwise. If I were trying to lose weight I would incorporate glucose from starch to boost leptin, improve mood and sleep, and increase serotonin levels and just be sure to maintain a calorie deficit.

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Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

on March 04, 2013
at 09:38 PM

Turns out I'm a weird one here, as anytime I do keto, I feel great. I get tons of energy, and I need less sleep. I wake up refreshed and ready to go. I also have more energy during the day, and get less fatigued as the day goes on.

The reason I'm not in keto anymore is that my weightlifting performance goes down. I can't lift as much, or for as many reps as when I'm eating carbs.

Have you thought that maybe you're not getting enough fat? You need to get energy from somewhere.

That said, maybe I'm/you're just an exception. Eat the way that makes you feel best.

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on January 29, 2013
at 11:48 PM

I struggle with bipolar/depression/anxiety though it's been in check for almost 2 yrs with medication and some therapy. I am over 200lbs and only 5'5" and I decided once and for all to get back to my natural weight of around 135lb. With this said, I've stopped eating all sugar and about 3 wks ago, eliminated flours and white potatoes/rice. I am now experiencing a lot of anxiety coupled with some depression. I don't weigh myself so I don't know if I'm even losing much weight. So, my input is that I need to keep twikking my daily dietary needs until I find the right balance. I cannot and will not allow myself to slip into brain chemical imbalance with results in a relapse into active mental illness.

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(2030)

on August 15, 2012
at 02:50 AM

Yes I have the same experience when I low carb, I've tried about 4 times and each time it happens. I tried lots of salt, extra water, medium chain triglycerides, chromium, magnesium, amino acids which just make me feel funny, but nothing seems to work. There are a lot of people who feel this way so your definitely not alone. Best advice on this page so far I think is from either Mathew Catton or Karen P. Dr. Cate has a good write up on this and I think she's gonna have a chapter in her next book about it.

http://drcate.com/got-fatigue-from-low-carb-diet-enter-contest-win-books/

As for me I threw in the towel and keep my carbs at around 100 grams usually from roots and tubers, it works well I feel really good and have lots of energy. Hope this helps.

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on June 25, 2012
at 02:22 PM

Low carb raises cortisol which is bad

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on June 13, 2012
at 01:02 AM

I was going to post about this in a new thread until I found this one.

I've been dealing with this now since I started low-carb, about 10 days ago. Overall, it's gotten better, though there were a few days where things felt very "dark" and I exhibited classic signs of depression (i.e. what counselors use to evaluate depression) for much of the day. I initially assumed this was more psychological in origin, i.e. this change in diet and the fact that I needed to do it b/c of my health, was depressing but at a certain point, I realized this was definitely physiological too, that my entire body was feeling depressed and not just "all in my head."

It has gotten better over the last 3-4 days, though now it's more cyclical. If it hits, it'll usually be in the late afternoon, before dinner. Sometimes it'll hit late morning too, before lunch. (And yes, I see a pattern forming here). I should add: I still have that light-headed, dizzy-when-I-stand feeling though I don't know if the two are connected.

Eating a good meal wipes this out; if anything, I can be a little manic afterwards (which is a bit troubling in itself. I feel like I'm a dietarily bipolar or something).

Based on reading through other testimonials, it seems that my symptoms may reflect:

*Dehydration (the light-headedness more than the depression) *Lack of sodium (see above) *Wheat withdrawal (this would be the Dr. Davis thesis) *Low-carb flu caused by the switch from burning glucose to ketones

I should add, about half the days so far, I've also been intermittent fasting; not eating b/t 7pm - 11am. I often skipped breakfast before going low-carb/paleo so it wasn't that hard to adapt but I'm wondering if, in the process, I'm just adding to the stress that is apparently impact me and my mental state.

I do eat some starchy carbs during the day but nothing that would amount more than half a cup of white rice). I also have at least 1-2 helpings of fruit a day.

Thoughts from the rest of y'all?

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(154)

on October 17, 2012
at 05:47 PM

In case you're a girl: I've read in a couple of blogs (which included some science and testimonials) that some women can react bad to intermittent fasting. Your body is under too much stress. Here's a link http://www.paleoforwomen.com/shattering-the-myth-of-fasting-for-women-a-review-of-female-specific-responses-to-fasting-in-the-literature/ If you're a guy...well actually the same as above could apply to you. If you're leptin resistent for instance. Try having breakfast 30min upon waking, 3 meals/day for a week.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on March 04, 2013
at 09:41 PM

Do intermittent fasting once you've been on the diet for a while. Starting that too soon can cause problems. Dehydrated? Low sodium? Drink some lightly salted water, if that tastes good, then you need water and electrolytes. So drink some more off and on during the day, only when it tastes good. Learned that trick from all the days I was hungover in college.

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