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Anyone watched "The Battle of the Diets"- 2008 Stanford Diet Study? (video - long)

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 11, 2011 at 8:34 PM

http://academicearth.org/lectures/battle-of-the-diets

With all the discussion of carb levels in the Paleosphere, this seems timely; even though it is probably a flash from the past for many of you, it's new for me.

Fascinating & large study comparing Atkins, Govt recommended diet, Zone and Ornish diets. Conducted by Christopher Gardner, PhD at Stanford University. Lecture filmed in 2008.

He was a vegetarian of 25 years, and it is interesting watching him start his paradigm shift around saturated fats & grains. He even mentions a tiny Paleo vs Mediterranean diet study towards the end.

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on October 12, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Absolutely! It illustrates why some folks do better on higher carb than others. Thanks for the link!

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on October 12, 2011
at 12:12 AM

Yes, and I'm sure some vegetarians are really burned by that :D. But perhaps more specifically, it applies to all of the groups. I sure as hell wouldn't eat whole wheat bread or soy products on Ornish's diet, I think that in the long term, after 12 months those would be a detriment. So I want to see Dr. K, Paul Jaminet and other people with smart protocols design the diets directly and control them. Of course that would be bling bling. If I ever make enough money through thievery and assassination I'll fund it

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Yes, and I'm sure some vegetarians are really burned by that :D. But perhaps more specifically, it applies to all of the groups. I sure as hell wouldn't eat whole wheat bread or soy products on Ornish's diet, I think that in the long term, after 12 months those would be a detriment. So I want to see Dr. K, Paul Jaminet and other people with smart protocols to design the diets directly and controlled them. Of course that would be bling bling. If I ever make enough money through thievery and assassination I'll fund it.

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It was interesting to see that all the health markers (e.g.: Trigs & HDL) had improved on the Atkins diet compared to the other diets even without controlling for food quality/sourcing.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on October 11, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I am kind of familiar with the study, but here's my problem. Tell a bunch of people who have got themselves into hot water health-wise to go on the Atkins diet. What happens? They eat nothing by grocery store cheese and sausage, it's hardly fair to use these studies for anything other than what happens when you prescribe a certain diet to people and let them at it. What's going to happen if instead they do something like Mark Sisson's plan for weight loss and educate themselves about the ins and outs of health? Big dif, probably.

The Paleo vs. Mediterranean study looks really good for paleo, and demonstrates a paleo diet as it is practiced by Loren Cordain to greatly improve health, although I don't think we can compare the abstract entity of "Paleo" to that of "Meditaranean" with it because the Med group consumed more soda and other bad things.

New idea for a study: give 15 very unhealthy people to Ornish and 15 to our own Dr. Kruse, and see who gets healthiest. :-)

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on October 12, 2011
at 12:11 AM

Yes, and I'm sure some vegetarians are really burned by that :D. But perhaps more specifically, it applies to all of the groups. I sure as hell wouldn't eat whole wheat bread or soy products on Ornish's diet, I think that in the long term, after 12 months those would be a detriment. So I want to see Dr. K, Paul Jaminet and other people with smart protocols to design the diets directly and controlled them. Of course that would be bling bling. If I ever make enough money through thievery and assassination I'll fund it.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on October 11, 2011
at 11:06 PM

It was interesting to see that all the health markers (e.g.: Trigs & HDL) had improved on the Atkins diet compared to the other diets even without controlling for food quality/sourcing.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 12, 2011
at 12:12 AM

Yes, and I'm sure some vegetarians are really burned by that :D. But perhaps more specifically, it applies to all of the groups. I sure as hell wouldn't eat whole wheat bread or soy products on Ornish's diet, I think that in the long term, after 12 months those would be a detriment. So I want to see Dr. K, Paul Jaminet and other people with smart protocols design the diets directly and control them. Of course that would be bling bling. If I ever make enough money through thievery and assassination I'll fund it

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on October 11, 2011
at 11:53 PM

One of the things that was most fascinating about his research was that he was able to look at the success of dieters based on their insulin sensitivity. And there was actually followup research that looked at participants' genotypes that was interesting as well.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on October 12, 2011
at 01:06 AM

Absolutely! It illustrates why some folks do better on higher carb than others. Thanks for the link!

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on May 17, 2013
at 07:44 PM

"Tell a bunch of people who have got themselves into hot water health-wise"

Do yourself a favor and do some reading about metabolic syndrome. You've got the chicken and egg confused. No I'm not obese, but just a few books and you will understand that that fattening and deteriorating health are entirely involuntary when the result of metabolic problems.

Fat doesn't cause the problems. The physiology causes the fat.

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