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Another failed low carb attempt. How can I get my T2D under control?

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Created October 11, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Well, again, I am open to any suggestions. In my attempt to lose weight and get my blood sugar under control I started my attempt at eating low carb on Wednesday. I made it through the entire day Wednesday, this is what I ate:

Breakfast - Sausage x 2 and 1 egg Lunch - 1 all beef hotdog with mustard, no bun Afternoon snack - 3 oz can of white tuna Dinner - 8 oz of hamburger meat and 2 cups of broccoli Late snack - 1 piece of string cheese

I know this is not all Paleo, but I felt good although I was hungry.

Today for breakfast I ate bacon x 4 and 1 egg for lunch i had 2 all beef hotdogs with mustard

Then, the wheels fell off again. I was hungry and they had a service anniversary at work with carrot cake, i had 1 piece. Then, I went to Kroger and bought 2 reeses peanut butter eggs and a can of cashews, which I ate all of.

My last A1C was over 13. I did exercise both days, about 15 min of cardio, 20 minutes of weight lifting and about 10 min in the sauna. I always succumb to the hunger and desire for sugar. Im still lost as to what I should do. I don't think the answer is in medicine or conventional doctors. I just can't get over the hump.

41 year old male, 5'9 212 pounds

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on October 14, 2012
at 03:01 PM

More bacon.....

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

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on October 13, 2012
at 03:42 PM

Hi borofergie, I agree on the hunting. I have about a 30 minute hike with gear back to my tree stand and I usually break a sweat on the hike back in the dark, its rough ground. I have went 3 times the first week of hunting season. So that is atleast a 2 mile rough hike every time plus the climbing of the tree. Did good for breakfast today, upped my food, 5 pieces of bacon and 3 eggs!

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 13, 2012
at 01:34 PM

No two ways about it - hunting is the best Paleo exercise!

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 13, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Good work dude! One day at a time...

De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

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on October 12, 2012
at 08:09 PM

Might try some very low sugar chocolate to stem the cravings? You'll likely fill up from all the fat before you consume enough sugar to do any real harm. You can take it with you everywhere just watch out for melting. I'm not a diabetic though so just a guess.

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on October 12, 2012
at 03:05 PM

Thanks ^ I was wondering what that meant!

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 12, 2012
at 10:15 AM

Jelly = jello for Americans.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 12, 2012
at 10:15 AM

Actually dude, have you talked to your Doc about going onto insulin? It would help you get those BGs under control. I know a few T2s who have started on insulin and transitioned off once they got things under control.

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:58 AM

I would sometimes go to buffets to stuff myself with lettuce and whatever meat was available. It doesn't have to be perfect, just stay away from the pasta, rice and mashed potatoes until you get things under control.

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:54 AM

Thanks, I will look up how to make the bone broth.

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:53 AM

Hi, thanks for the comments, to answer your question, I do. I know I am probably lucky to have not had a CV event already. I have a hard time eating alot of eggs. That is why I only had 1 egg each morning for breakfast with my breakfast meat. I assume by what Im reading that I need to cut out the high protein / low fat snacks like tuna and replace those with something with more fat? I will get back on track in the morning and force myself to eat atleast 2 eggs with my breakfast meat. The hotdogs I ate where all beef, I didn't think those where bad because they where high fat and all beef

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:49 AM

Thanks to everyone for the advice. You don't know how much it helps me to here other people understand what I am going through. I know no one can make this happen but me but every day I feel Im getting closer to turning the corner and every little bit of advice/encouragement, even if its stuff that no one else will tell me, helps. How long should I go without exercising? There are day's when I know I push myself at the gym too hard for the shape I am in because im sore for 3 or 4 days afterwards.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 12, 2012
at 02:46 AM

Fwiw - Wasn't me. Seen that a bunch today though.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 11, 2012
at 10:33 PM

Big bowls of sugar free jelly and double cream do it for me.

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

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on October 11, 2012
at 10:20 PM

Thanks Boro, you are right, I am in need of help. I can think through all the right things to do in my head, and I can even pull them off for a while, and then i get weak. I know it's no excuse and I have to fight it, but its a hard ass fight.

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on October 11, 2012
at 10:15 PM

FFS. Someone is seriously flagging this for close, because "it's not a real question", despite the fact that it's from someone genuinely in need of help?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 11, 2012
at 10:00 PM

Boro - Edited....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 11, 2012
at 09:59 PM

Ron - The veggies are good but eat more meat, fowl, fat etc... The veggies are a good item to work on but 1 egg? I am losing weight consistently while gaining strength averaging 4-6 eggs per day. I'm bigger than you BUT even if we scaled things down you should be lookin' at 3-4 AND 6oz of meat + veggies for breakfast. You should feel decidedly full as long as the sugar cravings last.

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on October 11, 2012
at 09:56 PM

I do think that Paleo is important, but low-carb is a pretty easy way in. I also wouldn't worry about quantity of food or weight loss, if you get the BG sorted you'll lose lots of fat without even trying.

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on October 11, 2012
at 09:54 PM

I know Borofergie is right and I know the consequences of not getting myself straightened out. The sugar addiction is so hard to get rid of. I think you are onto something though with the hunger, I was hungry both days. I thought I was eating what I should be eating with low carb. I definitely wasn't eating enough vegetables so I will try to add in more and start again right now.

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B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 11, 2012
at 09:42 PM

Sorry to be harsh, but you have 3 choices:

  1. Embrace the low-carb, and be a fit and healthy (almost) ex-diabetic.
  2. Carry on scoffing carbs, and accept that you're eventually going to end up on insulin.
  3. Wait for your eyeballs to start bleeding and your feet to get amputated.

(2) and (3) are not mutually exclusive.

HbA1c of 13% is like massively out of control. Mine was 10.2% on diagnosis and I was really, really ill.

Paleo isn't important at this stage, low-carbing is.

It could be worse. It's not like you've got cancer, all you have to do is stop eating refined carbohydrates and you'll probably be healthy and happy for a long time. If you can't manage to do that, with the threat of all that might happen to you, it seems to me that you don't give a fuck.

No sugary snack is worth losing your toes for. Wave the magic low-carb wand and it will all go away.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on October 11, 2012
at 10:33 PM

Big bowls of sugar free jelly and double cream do it for me.

De267f213b375efca5da07890e5efc25

(3747)

on October 12, 2012
at 08:09 PM

Might try some very low sugar chocolate to stem the cravings? You'll likely fill up from all the fat before you consume enough sugar to do any real harm. You can take it with you everywhere just watch out for melting. I'm not a diabetic though so just a guess.

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

(641)

on October 12, 2012
at 03:05 PM

Thanks ^ I was wondering what that meant!

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on October 12, 2012
at 10:15 AM

Jelly = jello for Americans.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 11, 2012
at 09:49 PM

Borofergie is right get the carbs out, especially gluten-grains and worry about the fine points of paleo second. You are the poster-child for sugar-addiction, like many of us, and you really just need to accept this will hurt. A lot.

That said. EAT!!! The goal is to get healthy first and your weight will follow. You eat less then my 10 year old cousin. You SHOULD NOT BE HUNGRY. Not when starting. If you can even think of food after a meal during the first month you are doing it wrong.

At your size? 3 meals a day, a pound of meat with each meal and like 6-7 cups of veggies. Can't eat that much? Then don't. If you can? Do. You will still lean out.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

(11488)

on October 11, 2012
at 09:56 PM

I do think that Paleo is important, but low-carb is a pretty easy way in. I also wouldn't worry about quantity of food or weight loss, if you get the BG sorted you'll lose lots of fat without even trying.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 11, 2012
at 10:00 PM

Boro - Edited....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 11, 2012
at 09:59 PM

Ron - The veggies are good but eat more meat, fowl, fat etc... The veggies are a good item to work on but 1 egg? I am losing weight consistently while gaining strength averaging 4-6 eggs per day. I'm bigger than you BUT even if we scaled things down you should be lookin' at 3-4 AND 6oz of meat + veggies for breakfast. You should feel decidedly full as long as the sugar cravings last.

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

(45)

on October 11, 2012
at 09:54 PM

I know Borofergie is right and I know the consequences of not getting myself straightened out. The sugar addiction is so hard to get rid of. I think you are onto something though with the hunger, I was hungry both days. I thought I was eating what I should be eating with low carb. I definitely wasn't eating enough vegetables so I will try to add in more and start again right now.

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F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

on October 13, 2012
at 12:55 PM

Hi everyone, I did pretty well yesterday. I upped my food intake some and I am going to keep trying to do this. I am probably still not eating quite enough but im working on it. I had 3 pieces of sausage and 2 eggs for breakfast. I had a 3 egg bacon/cheese omlette for lunch. I had about an 8 oz hamburger for dinner and some cashews as a snack. I felt great, I know I need to eat more, and I am going to keep improving every day to get this under control. I really do like all the input. I stopped exercising yesterday, all I am doing is walking and hunting for now, its deer season here in Illinois for bow hunting. I will keep everyone posted on my progress, I have to do this.

For more Paleo Diet hacks: Another failed low carb attempt. How can I get my T2D under control? - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/155116/another-failed-low-carb-attempt-how-can-i-get-my-t2d-under-control#ixzz29BQJTcHK

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 13, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Good work dude! One day at a time...

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 13, 2012
at 01:34 PM

No two ways about it - hunting is the best Paleo exercise!

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

(45)

on October 13, 2012
at 03:42 PM

Hi borofergie, I agree on the hunting. I have about a 30 minute hike with gear back to my tree stand and I usually break a sweat on the hike back in the dark, its rough ground. I have went 3 times the first week of hunting season. So that is atleast a 2 mile rough hike every time plus the climbing of the tree. Did good for breakfast today, upped my food, 5 pieces of bacon and 3 eggs!

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on October 12, 2012
at 01:04 PM

I am just like you. I'm trying not to give up hope. I do feel that jake3_14 does have some good advice though. I stopped exercising for awhile and it made my sugar cravings a lot more bearable but as soon as I started up again they came back. I think I'm going to try it again but this time I'm going to give myself more time to become fat adjusted (I only kept it up for two weeks or so last time.) Some more advice to you tho is MORE fat and lay off the processed meats....

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on October 12, 2012
at 11:30 AM

A 20 ounce porterhouse steak and a pound of bacon usually fills me up and keeps me from craving any type of carbohydrate for about 5 hours. This is typically my 5PM meal on Rest Days.

I think a lot of diabetics wind up in a Catch-22, vis-a-vis-

  1. My body is fucked up because I eat too much
  2. If I eat less, my body will un-fuck its self
  3. So I eat less over all, and try to eat "healthy" things and all I do is crave sugar
  4. So I fall off the wagon, eat "shitty" food and continue to fuck up my body

Case in point, what you ate on the day you did "well"-

  1. two pieces of sausage and one egg for breakfast ... this would be considered a snack, for me.

  2. all beef hot dog and a can of tuna ... if I ate hot dogs, or canned tuna, this would also be considered a snack

  3. 8 ounces of hamburger meat, some broccoli and string cheese ...

You were in the "Eat Less" phase, and because you didn't eat enough, you ended up in the "Fall off the Wagon" phase, and then the cycle began anew.

What if you did the following, instead:

-Wake up in the morning and take a three mile walk.

-Arrive back home from 3 mile walk, eat a four egg spinach omelet and a new york strip steak

-Take a 30 minute walk at 11 AM, it's a nice break from work

-For lunch, eat a large spinach salad with three chopped chicken breasts on it, with some avocado on the side

-Go to the gym and do some form of resistance training or another

-Take another 30 minute walk after the gym

-Go home, eat more steak, and then go to bed at 9PM

You would probably find this diet and active lifestyle more agreeable, and it might help your overall health.

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on October 11, 2012
at 11:40 PM

You're in an emergency situation. First, get some medication, e.g., metformin, to bring your blood sugar down immediately. Then reform your eating.

Second, read a paleo guidebook. You state that you knew your day 1 diet wasn't paleo, so go read up on what is. In fact, until your lab numbers (triglycerides and HbA1c in particular) get out the danger zone of normal (100 or below for TG and 6.0 or below for HbA1c), consider going low-carb (40g carbs/day, no more than 10g/meal). Look around on Amazon.com or your favorite local bookstore; there are a number of good books out there.

Quick-and-Dirty Tips

Eat more animal fat, more animal protein, and ditch the hot dogs ??? they are a highly-processed food and not nutrient-dense.

Animal fat:

  • Put butter on your veggies.
  • Add a homemade mayo (with olive oil, not a vegetable oil) to your tuna.
  • Eat pork shoulder/pork butt and ground beef with 20% fat; these are the two of the cheapest animal proteins I know of.

Animal protein: aim for 0.8???1.5g or protein/kg of body weight every day (less if you're a couch potato, more if you're working out hard). Yes, you might have to use a calculator.

Hot dogs: In the U.S., hot dog processing plants have an allowance for rat droppings. 'Nuff said.

If you don't know how, you must learn to cook, unless you have a paleo meal catering service near you (and you're rich). You cannot recover your health by eating out, because no restaurants except the pricey ones can afford to serve truly nutritious food.

If you're hungry after eating, and you're eating enough protein, you might be hyperinsulemic, a fancy way to say that your body produces way too much insulin in response to protein. Chew gum for up to 1 hour after eating to cope with this in the short term. Long term, slow down your eating; fill your mouth only half full, and chew each mouthful until it's mushy. This will give your brain time to respond to the signals that you've eaten a full meal.

While your body is re-tooling to use fat instead of carbs for energy, stop exercising, except for leisurely 30-minute walks each day. The transition process is traumatic enough (like switching out a car's regular gasoline engine for a diesel one without stopping) without the added stress of strenuous exercise. After 2???4 weeks, then re-start your exercise routines, gently at first.

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:49 AM

Thanks to everyone for the advice. You don't know how much it helps me to here other people understand what I am going through. I know no one can make this happen but me but every day I feel Im getting closer to turning the corner and every little bit of advice/encouragement, even if its stuff that no one else will tell me, helps. How long should I go without exercising? There are day's when I know I push myself at the gym too hard for the shape I am in because im sore for 3 or 4 days afterwards.

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on October 12, 2012
at 02:32 PM

Took me months of LC-VLC paleo Lifestyle to get my T2D under control, surprised the hell out of my doctor lol, he wanted me on drugs and I said no. Over the years I have just lost any & all interest in sugar, refined foods, etc. I eat well, sleep well and don't stress over things in Life I don't have control over. I am healthier now, at 48, than most 20 year olds and I can out work any of them physically and out think them. My latest achievement was being able to do a one armed pull up. So never give up, learn all you can and just follow the path.

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on October 12, 2012
at 07:49 AM

You will have flu like symptoms for the first few days until your body switches to fat burning mode. Eat lots of fat. Lots of protein and veg/salad. As much as you can stomach. Use cream in your coffee instead of milk, cook with lots of butter, indulge in all those rich fatty things and you won't feel like you're on a diet change. Once you get past that flu like period you'll feel great and will crave carbs less and less.

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:46 AM

I don't know whether this will get you anywhere, but here goes.

Day 1 you underate. Considerably. If you're trying to lose weight it takes a little time to adapt to eating so much less than you're used to. Staying away from the heavy carb load is a good strategy, but don't starve yourself.

Day 2 starts out like Day 1. Undereating. Two days of this set you up for a binge.

I'm 5'7" and started working on my T2D at 215 lbs. It took me several months to get my A1C and weight down, though strictly limiting carbs got my blood sugar down within a week. You've got to be serious about this. You've jacked your CV event risk sky high in addition to the diabetes.

Do you care enough to fix yourself?

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:58 AM

I would sometimes go to buffets to stuff myself with lettuce and whatever meat was available. It doesn't have to be perfect, just stay away from the pasta, rice and mashed potatoes until you get things under control.

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:53 AM

Hi, thanks for the comments, to answer your question, I do. I know I am probably lucky to have not had a CV event already. I have a hard time eating alot of eggs. That is why I only had 1 egg each morning for breakfast with my breakfast meat. I assume by what Im reading that I need to cut out the high protein / low fat snacks like tuna and replace those with something with more fat? I will get back on track in the morning and force myself to eat atleast 2 eggs with my breakfast meat. The hotdogs I ate where all beef, I didn't think those where bad because they where high fat and all beef

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:25 AM

You need to get some L-glutamine. Have some whenever you get carb cravings. Also, start making bone broth. Have a bowl every morning and evening. That should kill your appetite and the urge to snack. That's the beginning of your journey, since you need your diabetes under control.

F3984a97c7c0f392d3d7ca02cf576cb4

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on October 12, 2012
at 04:54 AM

Thanks, I will look up how to make the bone broth.

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on October 12, 2012
at 03:57 AM

If you had lots of fat and a reasonable amount if protein at lunch AND a planned high fat protein snack, your temptation for cake would have been much less. You need to eat more fat and enough protein and plan for life because it happens.

My office does cakes for birthdays. I save my lunch to eat at cake time and politely refuse the cake because I'm eating my lunch. Then nobody tries to push cake on me.

Plan ahead for your success so failure doesn't keep biting you in the butt. And eat plenty of fat--eventually your body will trust that you will feed it what it needs and the apestat will slow down the excess calories.

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