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Adrenal Function

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Has anyone heard of this?

"People with inadequate adrenal function can't make their own blood sugar from other things and must have some carbohydrate in their diet." It is a comment from the Specific Carbohydrate Website by a man named Andrew Cutler.

I am curious on what others thoughts are the relevancy of that statement. I am 95 lbs. and have low adrenal function. I know if I go to low carb. about 65 or less grams for more than a day or two I get stomach sick, shaky and just weird?

So any thoughts or personal experiences?

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on August 15, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I've only read the Schwarzbein II -- the 2nd one is more up to date and will fix stress/adrenals and cortisol malfunctions. Personally I've found supplements to be more helpful than diet alone. I tried diet alone for months and it didn't work for me. When it gland is pooped out, it needs to be given the building blocks (glandular stuff) to rebuild. If you think about, all ancient societies eat glandulars: South America/Mexico -- chorizo Japanese/Chinese/Mediterranean -- whole fish including thyroid and pork lard leaf (lard+adrenals) Inuit -- seal/whale blubber and likely the adrenals

F2b854f65de6621f5ecb6ec9ba14eb49

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on August 15, 2011
at 02:41 AM

I know thanks for the great advice I am trying to find someone who wants to work with me and not against me thinking I am a nutcase. :)

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 14, 2011
at 05:19 PM

60 grams carb is high if you are comparing to low carb diets. Her recommendation for adrenal issues is not lots of carb. It is 15 gram minimum each meal and 15 for a snack, but can be split up into 2 if you eat two snacks a day. She does recommend mini-meals. Read the Schwarzbein II book, not her first one. The first one deals with IR mostly, the second one adequately covers adrenal function.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 14, 2011
at 01:02 PM

"IF'ing and very low carb bad idea. You will be sick sick and more sick..." This really varies by person and their personal health issues. For me LC or even VLC is the best. Not so for you. There really isn't a one size fits all best diet.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2011
at 12:59 PM

After reading the comments above, I strongly recommend you follow up as mem said.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 14, 2011
at 12:58 PM

It's not about your height, it's about your BMI and whether you need to lose weight, control BG, or deal with other issues that are best controlled/fixed with low carb. It sounds like with adrenal problems and low BMI, you shouldn't go low carb. As I understand it, low carb is not good for adrenal issues. Fix those before doing anything else.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on August 14, 2011
at 05:14 AM

It depends on the catecholamine state (high adrenaline v. inadequate).

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on August 14, 2011
at 05:13 AM

Good luck Alica! Please let us know what works for you in the future!! I forgot, I was on birth control and these xeno-hormones (foreign, fake) hormones do a number as well.

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on August 14, 2011
at 03:48 AM

Alicia: IMHO, it is imperative that you follow-up and find out what really *is* or *is* *not* going on with you. Choosing and tailoring the best way of eating for you and other possible life interventions when you are really in the dark as to what is going on and how that manifests in your body, is very, very difficult. Save yourself alot of "if I'd only known" and get the health eval you need. :) Then use that info to select wisely for your actual needs.

F2b854f65de6621f5ecb6ec9ba14eb49

(574)

on August 14, 2011
at 02:31 AM

Stress is my killer, I stress about everything. Grew up like that. I can also testify IF'ing and very low carb bad idea. You will be sick sick and more sick with a dose of miserable. I want to do SCD, hence the original question, to heal the gut but it is quite low carb to start with unless you want to drink diluted juice and eat honey. Thank you all for the wonderful info and confirming my thoughts. Will read Schwarzbein for sure I have been hearing loads about her.

F2b854f65de6621f5ecb6ec9ba14eb49

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on August 14, 2011
at 02:25 AM

Why no low carb unless your short? I am 5 feet.

F2b854f65de6621f5ecb6ec9ba14eb49

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on August 14, 2011
at 02:24 AM

I cannot remember how it was diagnosed it was quite a few years ago when I was still in high school. I do know it was a biofeedback doctor who did it and recommended an endocrinologist. My parents did not think much of it so I let it be, till now. I figured with me being the typical 20 year old it did nothing to correct itself and vegetarianism probably didn't help make adrenals any better I do have to get a proper look soon but really I was just curious how true the aforementioned statement might be considering I want to a paleo style SCD and was a bit nervous.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 13, 2011
at 11:35 PM

Alicia: How was your "low adrenal function" diagnosed and what was explained to you re: its impact and what changes, diet and otherwise were recommended? What was the recommended, prescribed plan of care?

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 13, 2011
at 11:32 PM

@loon: 60 grams is LOW. Average intake is ~300/day on SAD and recommended good, whole food, (not crap) diet. For ver active persons on SAD, rec carb intake may easily exceed 400GMs/day. This info is simply to put your info and statement in perspective. On a olw carb diet, yes, 60 is sort of "middling."

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on August 13, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Schwarzbein rocks and finally fixed my adrenals after I read her book. What killed my adrenals? heavy metals (mercury from amalgams and the removal of one and titanium from an implant), stress, ketosis and doing WODs in the ketotic state. You can tell you have adrenal fatigue if you frequently suffer from hypoglycemia or ANY dizziness. #fail

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on August 13, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Healing your adrenals may cause wt gain... The key is to lower cortisol (lower stress, sleep SLEEP sleep, eat some carbs preferably not sugar, supps like relora or adrenal support by Gaia, metagenix or Standard process, etc) and get the insulin mildly higher (eat some low GI carbs every 3-4hrs w/protein and good fats). Avoid VLC and ketosis and IF'ing (intermittent fasting) as these punch out the adrenals further, until the adrenals/thyroid are healed. Healing the gut will improve the adrenals as well (high quality fish oil, allergen avoidance, gut support like glutamine, slippery elm, aloe).

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on August 13, 2011
at 06:44 PM

As far as I can tell, that's incorrect. Cortisol does increase gluconeogenesis, but it is not needed for gluconeogenesis. Glucagon is sufficient.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 13, 2011
at 03:57 PM

She recommends much higher for people with adrenal problems. She isn't paleo, as she includes grains and such, but her diet could be adjusted to paleo IMO.

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

I haven't read this person, but Dr. Schwarzbein does not recommend low carb for anyone, as it can cause problems, she says. Her lower limit is 60 grams. She is an endocrinologist.

F2b854f65de6621f5ecb6ec9ba14eb49

(574)

on August 14, 2011
at 02:31 AM

Stress is my killer, I stress about everything. Grew up like that. I can also testify IF'ing and very low carb bad idea. You will be sick sick and more sick with a dose of miserable. I want to do SCD, hence the original question, to heal the gut but it is quite low carb to start with unless you want to drink diluted juice and eat honey. Thank you all for the wonderful info and confirming my thoughts. Will read Schwarzbein for sure I have been hearing loads about her.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 13, 2011
at 03:57 PM

She recommends much higher for people with adrenal problems. She isn't paleo, as she includes grains and such, but her diet could be adjusted to paleo IMO.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on August 13, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Schwarzbein rocks and finally fixed my adrenals after I read her book. What killed my adrenals? heavy metals (mercury from amalgams and the removal of one and titanium from an implant), stress, ketosis and doing WODs in the ketotic state. You can tell you have adrenal fatigue if you frequently suffer from hypoglycemia or ANY dizziness. #fail

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 14, 2011
at 05:19 PM

60 grams carb is high if you are comparing to low carb diets. Her recommendation for adrenal issues is not lots of carb. It is 15 gram minimum each meal and 15 for a snack, but can be split up into 2 if you eat two snacks a day. She does recommend mini-meals. Read the Schwarzbein II book, not her first one. The first one deals with IR mostly, the second one adequately covers adrenal function.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on August 14, 2011
at 05:13 AM

Good luck Alica! Please let us know what works for you in the future!! I forgot, I was on birth control and these xeno-hormones (foreign, fake) hormones do a number as well.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on August 13, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Healing your adrenals may cause wt gain... The key is to lower cortisol (lower stress, sleep SLEEP sleep, eat some carbs preferably not sugar, supps like relora or adrenal support by Gaia, metagenix or Standard process, etc) and get the insulin mildly higher (eat some low GI carbs every 3-4hrs w/protein and good fats). Avoid VLC and ketosis and IF'ing (intermittent fasting) as these punch out the adrenals further, until the adrenals/thyroid are healed. Healing the gut will improve the adrenals as well (high quality fish oil, allergen avoidance, gut support like glutamine, slippery elm, aloe).

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2011
at 01:02 PM

"IF'ing and very low carb bad idea. You will be sick sick and more sick..." This really varies by person and their personal health issues. For me LC or even VLC is the best. Not so for you. There really isn't a one size fits all best diet.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on August 13, 2011
at 11:32 PM

@loon: 60 grams is LOW. Average intake is ~300/day on SAD and recommended good, whole food, (not crap) diet. For ver active persons on SAD, rec carb intake may easily exceed 400GMs/day. This info is simply to put your info and statement in perspective. On a olw carb diet, yes, 60 is sort of "middling."

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on August 15, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I've only read the Schwarzbein II -- the 2nd one is more up to date and will fix stress/adrenals and cortisol malfunctions. Personally I've found supplements to be more helpful than diet alone. I tried diet alone for months and it didn't work for me. When it gland is pooped out, it needs to be given the building blocks (glandular stuff) to rebuild. If you think about, all ancient societies eat glandulars: South America/Mexico -- chorizo Japanese/Chinese/Mediterranean -- whole fish including thyroid and pork lard leaf (lard+adrenals) Inuit -- seal/whale blubber and likely the adrenals

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 13, 2011
at 01:50 PM

I certainly wouldn't recommend low carb at your weight, unless you are exceedingly short. You might want to take a look at the Perfect Health Diet. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/

F2b854f65de6621f5ecb6ec9ba14eb49

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on August 14, 2011
at 02:25 AM

Why no low carb unless your short? I am 5 feet.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2011
at 12:59 PM

After reading the comments above, I strongly recommend you follow up as mem said.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2011
at 12:58 PM

It's not about your height, it's about your BMI and whether you need to lose weight, control BG, or deal with other issues that are best controlled/fixed with low carb. It sounds like with adrenal problems and low BMI, you shouldn't go low carb. As I understand it, low carb is not good for adrenal issues. Fix those before doing anything else.

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on August 13, 2011
at 04:04 PM

Well, cortisol is involved in gluconeogenesis (the creation of blood glucose from protein), so if your ability to produce cortisol were compromised, it makes sense that your ability to regulate blood sugar on a low carb diet would be compromised as well. I'm recovering from high cortisol and I find I have to eat some carbs every 6 hours or my cortisol levels will jump.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 13, 2011
at 06:44 PM

As far as I can tell, that's incorrect. Cortisol does increase gluconeogenesis, but it is not needed for gluconeogenesis. Glucagon is sufficient.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on August 14, 2011
at 05:14 AM

It depends on the catecholamine state (high adrenaline v. inadequate).

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