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20 years old, lost at least 1/3 of my hair in the past year...

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 21, 2012 at 6:42 AM

I used to have very thick healthy hair but things just keep getting worse now. I think I first started to see the health of my hair deteriorate around 8 months ago. I didn't pay attention to it but now it's worsening. When I pull my hair apart, there is a big bald spot, not to mention my hair falls out in clumps. Nothing seems to help. Liver daily, raw salmon, D3/k2 supplement, vegetables, fruit, grass fed butter, different caloric ratios, you name it, nothing worked. And yes, strict paleo 100% always, for a long time. It just keeps on getting worse and worse everyday. Acne also worse now that it's summer. Now the back of my upper arms, back, thighs are covered in boils. Dandruff also is getting worse. Any lead? What am I possibly doing wrong...

3013d1b44fd7f65b4c8412f229d1d00e

on June 17, 2013
at 07:10 AM

tricksty trickster: before I went low-carb, I used vaginal cream on spots on my scalp that were thinning and found it great for boosting and even starting hair growth. (I also started taking biotin and other B vitamins, too.) In fact, it worked better for me than Rogaine (which I stopped using because the alcohol base was a problem). And unlike Rogaine, the hair remained after I stopped using the cream. My hair has been growing like gangbusters since going high fat and low-carb (30g daily) and (leaving a very stressful job, as my hair loss is often stress-related).

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on April 08, 2013
at 02:34 AM

Hair loss in males and females is a very different thing though...

56e59609362978a9dcb390fdeb45427f

(576)

on June 21, 2012
at 11:50 PM

The "real cause" is probably a combination of DHT, stress hormones, and hypothyroidism. Which propecia, rogaine, and Danny Roddy will treat.

56e59609362978a9dcb390fdeb45427f

(576)

on June 21, 2012
at 11:49 PM

The "real cause" is probably combination of DHT, stress hormones, and hypothyroidism, which propecia, rogaine, and Danny Roddy will treat.

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:55 PM

I cook my vegetables really well, they can be better digested this way, but fruit is better off eaten raw to preserve the vitamins.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 06:23 PM

Last question - do you eat your vegetables raw or cooked or both?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Thanks, I copied it all.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on June 21, 2012
at 05:40 PM

There is no such thing as being too low on veggies and carbs, ffs

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on June 21, 2012
at 05:31 PM

Excess sodium, potassium and calcium can increase renal magnesium excretion in a standard diet.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on June 21, 2012
at 05:29 PM

There is no such thing as being too low on carbs, FFS

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 21, 2012
at 03:25 PM

That's too much liver, for one thing. Which could lead to vitamin A toxicity. Wiki: "Excessive vitamin A consumption can lead to nausea, irritability, anorexia (reduced appetite), vomiting, blurry vision, headaches, hair loss, muscle and abdominal pain and weakness, drowsiness, and altered mental status. In chronic cases, hair loss, dry skin, drying of the mucous membranes, fever, insomnia, fatigue, weight loss, bone fractures, anemia, and diarrhea can all be evident on top of the symptoms associated with less serious toxicity." Danny Roddy claims to be able to help with hair loss...

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 01:18 PM

It's mainly: pineapple, honeydew melon, banana, strawberries, kiwifruit, peaches, apricots, plums, avocado. Technically you eat the seeds from kiwifruit, banana, strawberries but since they're small und are not chewed up the wicked proteins do not cause any trouble (in my experience).

00fa09929df66a1bc830d6f070ff7434

(50)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:55 PM

@Thomy If his hairloss is due to MPB than Ryan's recommendations are spot on. Those "symptoms" are entirely genetic in origin and can only be treated with propecia/dut and rogaine.

00fa09929df66a1bc830d6f070ff7434

(50)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:55 PM

@Thomy If his hairloss is due to MPB than Ryan's recommendations are spot in. Those "symptoms" are entirely genetic in origin and can only be treated with propecia/dut and rogaine.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:35 PM

I agree it's unlikely, but maybe he has other factors that increase vitamin A toxicity.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:28 PM

Link to support that idea, Korion? I've always had the impression that excreting excess sodium tends to cause undesireable excretion of other minreals.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 10:09 AM

Could you list the fruit as well? Thanks!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 09:50 AM

Thanks for the menu. What tropical fruit do you recommend? Also, for people who do not drink coffee - it is okay not to drink it? Also, does it have to be raw milk? Is goat milk okay

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 21, 2012
at 08:41 AM

I think salt is much more important than magnesium, since salt helps retaining the magnesium but does a lot of other things too. Though epsom salt baths likely won't harm you in any way.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 21, 2012
at 08:37 AM

Some girls on longhaircommunity forums swear by vaginal cream for their hair. And that's why I haven't gone to that mad scientist hair lab in years...

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 21, 2012
at 08:31 AM

I don't think it's possible to get toxic with just beef liver, even when eaten daily.

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:59 AM

I also eat lots of fruits, but nothong with bigger seeds inside: no raspberries, grapes, etc.

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:59 AM

In addition to the general 'paleo rules' I avoid nuts/seeds/kernels. Of course no dairy and no nightshades. My fat sources are lard and olive oil. Both from reasonable sources. (CHeap olive oil even extra virgin is often diluted with soy oil). I eat any kind of fish and seafood, sometimes eggs-yolks and pork liver from a nearby farmer I trust. (egg white is allergenic, so avoid it). I season with turmeric. Vegetables are: Carrots, turnips, asparagus, sometimes cruciferous veg.(watch out for goitrogens, not every day), spinach. I can't eat onions, leeks and garlic.

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:52 AM

You're only addressing symptoms here, I think we have to dig deeper and find the real cause

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:31 AM

Could you describe what you are eating?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:30 AM

Any website with foods lists for autoimmune protocol?

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:30 AM

+1 for Magnesium. Also iodine.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:09 AM

do you have an auto-immune disease of any sort.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:07 AM

1. How long have you been Paleo? 2. Anything happened around 8 months ago? 3. Are you eating any raw vegetables (whole, not cut) and chewing them well? 4. Have you tried supplementing with biotin and B complex (GNC Hair, Skin and Nails worked for me, but biotin alone 3,000 worked as well). 5. What soaps/shampoos are you using? 6. Do you have any sources of gluten in your diet/your daily life? 7. Have you tried Ray Peat's?

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:07 AM

boils?!?! Are you getting baby hairs to replace the fallen hairs? http://paleohacks.com/questions/tagged/hair-loss#axzz1yPPNa6Ba

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3
Bace89c179f42db077019b616efa8e4f

on June 21, 2012
at 07:39 AM

I was in your spot about a year ago, and was very depressed about it. I'm 26 now, and lost quite a bit of hair leading up to that point. I lost a lot through the top especially the crown and temples, and you could start to easily see through my scalp. I was crushed.

A year later I've grown most of it back to where it was about 5 or 6 years ago. To the point where my hair looks like an average 26 year old head of hair (which I thought would have been literally impossible a year ago.) About 6 months ago I literally started to see almost a short stubble coming from my temples and it has only gotten thicker and grown longer. No longer have a bald spot starting to show through in back as well.

I'm going to be honest here and it might not be too popular with the people on Paleohacks but I believe it's what worked. I did 3 things to get my hair to grow back. I don't know if one thing was more effective than the other or not because I started all three at the same time, but without a doubt the combination worked. I regret not taking before and afters now.

1. Get on Propecia if your serious about stopping hair loss. There's a lot of nonsense on the internet about the side effects of this medication. Do your own research and see for yourself. In clinical trials there were rare instances of side effects (2% or something) and about the same number of people had side effects taking a sugar pill, so go figure. Now about 9 months into the medication I haven't noticed the slightest difference in any aspect of life.

2. Get on Rogaine foam I have a very sensitive scalp and this was no problem.

3. Visit DannyRoddy.com and learn as much as possible This is a BIG last but not least. I bought his book "Hair Like a Fox" for something like $47 and it was absolutely worth the money. If you search around long enough you could probably get the whole regimen for free but buying the book makes things extremely easy. This book is the only resource I've found to actually use your diet to TRULY stop hair loss. I found out about him through this website, and am thankful I did.

I'm saying this because I was very desperate a year ago and know what it feels like to be in your situation and would have given anything for some answers.

56e59609362978a9dcb390fdeb45427f

(576)

on June 21, 2012
at 11:50 PM

The "real cause" is probably a combination of DHT, stress hormones, and hypothyroidism. Which propecia, rogaine, and Danny Roddy will treat.

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:52 AM

You're only addressing symptoms here, I think we have to dig deeper and find the real cause

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on June 21, 2012
at 08:37 AM

Some girls on longhaircommunity forums swear by vaginal cream for their hair. And that's why I haven't gone to that mad scientist hair lab in years...

00fa09929df66a1bc830d6f070ff7434

(50)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:55 PM

@Thomy If his hairloss is due to MPB than Ryan's recommendations are spot in. Those "symptoms" are entirely genetic in origin and can only be treated with propecia/dut and rogaine.

00fa09929df66a1bc830d6f070ff7434

(50)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:55 PM

@Thomy If his hairloss is due to MPB than Ryan's recommendations are spot on. Those "symptoms" are entirely genetic in origin and can only be treated with propecia/dut and rogaine.

56e59609362978a9dcb390fdeb45427f

(576)

on June 21, 2012
at 11:49 PM

The "real cause" is probably combination of DHT, stress hormones, and hypothyroidism, which propecia, rogaine, and Danny Roddy will treat.

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on April 08, 2013
at 02:34 AM

Hair loss in males and females is a very different thing though...

3013d1b44fd7f65b4c8412f229d1d00e

on June 17, 2013
at 07:10 AM

tricksty trickster: before I went low-carb, I used vaginal cream on spots on my scalp that were thinning and found it great for boosting and even starting hair growth. (I also started taking biotin and other B vitamins, too.) In fact, it worked better for me than Rogaine (which I stopped using because the alcohol base was a problem). And unlike Rogaine, the hair remained after I stopped using the cream. My hair has been growing like gangbusters since going high fat and low-carb (30g daily) and (leaving a very stressful job, as my hair loss is often stress-related).

3
Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

on June 21, 2012
at 07:13 AM

Thyroid issues/ hypothryoid is linked with hair problems...

Danny Roddy's website might be of interest to you... http://www.dannyroddy.com/

2
5dd20e6141b8bcad04b7a064dce7abab

(20)

on April 08, 2013
at 12:32 AM

Wow, I am a little late for this post but hopefully I can help someone with what I have to share! I am a 17 year old female (almost 18). I started loosing hair when I was 15 years old. Luckily my hair has been global meaning I loose evenly all over my head. My doctor tells me I have lost 1/3 of my normal hair. If you were to meet you wouldn't assume I am loosing hair (unless of course you look at all the hair on my back and shoulders) but for those that know me something is different. After two years of hair loss I got a blood test back that said I am VERY anemic along with other deficiencies. I have been on perscription supplements for 9 months. I have honestly not noticed any difference at all but my doctor says I need to get my levels up to a certain point before noticing any difference. If my levels are not there in a couple months she is sending me to a blood specialist. Best of luck. Hair loss use to kill my self esteem, I'd be lying if I said it still didn't get to me but now I realize my power is limited. The only thing I can do is look for solutions.

2
E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:24 AM

I had the very same condition due to gluten cross reactivity. It might be other seeds/kernels/nuts you're reacting to. Try cutting out coconut products, nuts, any kind of seed, coffee..etc. and avoid eggs and meat from grainfed animals. Just a few weeks to find the cause auf your problems. It's basically the autoimmune protocol and has really (!!) helped me.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 06:23 PM

Last question - do you eat your vegetables raw or cooked or both?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 10:09 AM

Could you list the fruit as well? Thanks!

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:59 AM

I also eat lots of fruits, but nothong with bigger seeds inside: no raspberries, grapes, etc.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 06:21 PM

Thanks, I copied it all.

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 01:18 PM

It's mainly: pineapple, honeydew melon, banana, strawberries, kiwifruit, peaches, apricots, plums, avocado. Technically you eat the seeds from kiwifruit, banana, strawberries but since they're small und are not chewed up the wicked proteins do not cause any trouble (in my experience).

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:30 AM

Any website with foods lists for autoimmune protocol?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:31 AM

Could you describe what you are eating?

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:55 PM

I cook my vegetables really well, they can be better digested this way, but fruit is better off eaten raw to preserve the vitamins.

E2b72f1912f777917d8ee6b7fba43c26

(2384)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:59 AM

In addition to the general 'paleo rules' I avoid nuts/seeds/kernels. Of course no dairy and no nightshades. My fat sources are lard and olive oil. Both from reasonable sources. (CHeap olive oil even extra virgin is often diluted with soy oil). I eat any kind of fish and seafood, sometimes eggs-yolks and pork liver from a nearby farmer I trust. (egg white is allergenic, so avoid it). I season with turmeric. Vegetables are: Carrots, turnips, asparagus, sometimes cruciferous veg.(watch out for goitrogens, not every day), spinach. I can't eat onions, leeks and garlic.

2
00fa09929df66a1bc830d6f070ff7434

on June 21, 2012
at 07:04 AM

You could just have MPB, assuming you're male. I started losing my hair at 20 and by 21 I'd lost probably 40% of my hair density.

2
34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on June 21, 2012
at 07:02 AM

How much carbs? Supplementing Magnesium? Those would be the questions to ask IMO. I think you may be too low on veggies and carbs.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on June 21, 2012
at 05:31 PM

Excess sodium, potassium and calcium can increase renal magnesium excretion in a standard diet.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 21, 2012
at 08:41 AM

I think salt is much more important than magnesium, since salt helps retaining the magnesium but does a lot of other things too. Though epsom salt baths likely won't harm you in any way.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:28 PM

Link to support that idea, Korion? I've always had the impression that excreting excess sodium tends to cause undesireable excretion of other minreals.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on June 21, 2012
at 05:29 PM

There is no such thing as being too low on carbs, FFS

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 21, 2012
at 07:30 AM

+1 for Magnesium. Also iodine.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on June 21, 2012
at 05:40 PM

There is no such thing as being too low on veggies and carbs, ffs

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0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on June 21, 2012
at 08:00 AM

Vitamin A Toxicity eating liver every day? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A

This is what I would try - add in lots of paleo carbs, maybe even rice, just eat normal meat and fish, not excess and cut all your supplements. Maybe you are overdosing on fat soluble vitamins and omega 3. I dont really know - but it could be worth a shot

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on June 21, 2012
at 12:35 PM

I agree it's unlikely, but maybe he has other factors that increase vitamin A toxicity.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 21, 2012
at 08:31 AM

I don't think it's possible to get toxic with just beef liver, even when eaten daily.

0
682e0486c634ea47ac13a662722a6f95

on August 07, 2013
at 02:50 AM

did you try eating more calcium? also completely eliminate wheat and pufas. I got rid of my dandruff by drinking more oj, eating more fruit, salt and cheese.

0
1d1a1aa53ec46345db814f2e5bc03838

(108)

on June 17, 2013
at 01:03 PM

In your case I would see a doctor. Asking for help in the internet is easy, but sometimes it gives you scary answers. If you're generally healthy your doctor might send you to a dermatologist.

cheers Marc

PS.: Every year I loose hair twice. It's a seasonal thing. Also dandruff ist strong in these periods. So I go to a doctor and get a subscribtion vor some medical hair tonic. It calms the sculp down and the problem passes after a while.

0
C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on June 21, 2012
at 11:47 AM

I just shaved my head. I like the look. I'm not too sure about Danny Roddy, since he has not lost as much hair as me and not sure if he has MPB. My father also is bald, so its MPB. Runs in the family. It also sounds like his hair was starting to reverse before his diet.

Right now I'm more concerned with leangains protrocol and seeing where I can go in a few months bodywise.

0
B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 21, 2012
at 08:40 AM

Hair problems are likely due to hypothyroidism. I don't know how much PUFAs you're eating, that's something to look at (eg salmon is likely not helping, though it's not too bad). Eating liver daily is not a good idea though, due to its high iron content and tendency to make people hypothyroid when eaten in excess.

Liver once or maybe twice weekly (4 ounces a week) is more than enough for the minerals. Try eating oysters or other shellfish (shrimp, ...) instead.

I think it's becoming pretty clear that strict adherence is not a good idea, since it will only increase stress. If you've never read Danny Roddy's work, I suggest you start looking for answers there. His diet is pretty simple : strained orange juice, gelatin, coconut oil, dairy, a daily raw carrot, occasional liver and shellfish, coffee, sugar, salt and some tropical fruit here and there. It'll take a while to get acquainted with it, as some of the things you ought to do look so stupid at first (eg. I noticed I get slight hives from milk if I don't add sugar to it, which is quite weird).

Track your temperature and pulse too, as it's a very good indicator of what's working and what's not.

If you still have trouble finding your balance you can ask for help on this board.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 21, 2012
at 09:50 AM

Thanks for the menu. What tropical fruit do you recommend? Also, for people who do not drink coffee - it is okay not to drink it? Also, does it have to be raw milk? Is goat milk okay

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2254619a3974e67ab8e6872711cdc10f

on June 15, 2013
at 08:28 AM

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