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Do you judge health gurus by their looks?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM

I certainly do, and I think it's fair game to do so. After all, if their diet is so damn good, they should look like it, right? I am not talking about judging them by their beauty, per se, but by how healthy they look. Let's look at a few, shall we? Maybe you can supply some of your own.

Here's the vegan darling Paul Pitchford , author of Healing with Whole Foods Believe me, this photo flatters him. I lived at Heartwood Institute when he was there. I could elaborate, but I won't.

Now, here's Joseph Mercola I don't think he looks so great. He's frail.

What about Chris Kresser He looks healthy, doesn't he? Of course, he has the advantage of being younger...but he's still frail looking in my book.

Here's Sally Fallon She looks a little pudgy, but I think she looks healthy all the same.

How about Rob Wolfflink text ? Healthy, right? Again he's young so not fair to make too many comparisons. I still say on the frail side, but that may just be my taste.

Here's Paul Chek Now that's more like it.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 28, 2011
at 02:58 PM

@Simibee, The simple reality is that one cannot become a paleo guru unless they are male.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Cause I got rid of a photo that wasn't hunter/gatherer(they were a hybrid that used agriculture too). I didn't realize editing bumps an old question. Even a closed one lol.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:47 PM

i still agree with what I wrote above. these hunter gatherer pics have nothing to do with this question. the question is "do you judge health gurus by their looks?" and this thread is closed, so why are you editing your answer.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 15, 2011
at 08:12 PM

great points travis

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 02:57 PM

@Kamal: You can talk about something not passing to logic test all you want (whatever the hell that means), but when it comes down to it, most people here are probably simply looking for a better way to live. If somebody preaches a certain lifestyle, the question is whether it WORKS, and one of the best/easiest tests for whether it works it whether it worked for them. Storm Talifero, Erwan Le Corre, Mark Sisson, Durian Rider, etc. They all preach a certain lifestyle. Isn't it useful to see whether their advice worked for them? Yeah. Of course.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 02:54 PM

@Kamal: Yeah, but that would be stupid because you would be adding an extra variable (nutrition scientist vs. random athlete). I wasn't saying that you should simply look at who's the strongest or something and then follow them. I meant, when you compare one health guru to the other (keeping the variables much more constant!), it's useful to see whether their advice worked for THEMSELVES. This applies much more to HEALTH GURUS than random nutrition scientists. I thought we were talking about people like Erwan Le Corre or Durian Rider, not random academics who study omega whatevers.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on April 15, 2011
at 07:54 AM

The vegetarian could do with a bacon sandwich, or two (without the bread of course)

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on April 15, 2011
at 06:52 AM

I can't believe I wrote that...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 15, 2011
at 05:50 AM

The point of correlation vs causation is that the scientific method boils down to distinguishing the two. You are obviously free to judge someone's advice by how they look, but it doesn't pass muster logically. Bill Lands is the leading omega 6:3 researcher in the world, Sally Fallon is the founder of the Weston A Price foundation that Paleo got many influences from. My point is that if you put them in a lineup with a couple gifted athletes who look good despite not eating well, it would be difficult to decide who's advice to follow.

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on April 15, 2011
at 04:03 AM

FYR plenty of women with pert breasts here and elsewhere http://www.anthrophoto.com/cgi-bin/ImageFolio31//imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Humans/Pacific/Trobriands&image=APLAM_0446.jpg&img=30&tt=

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:40 AM

i disagree with the comments about menopause or andropause.....we can all be better than our former selves if we choose to be.

6fa48935d439390e223b9a053a62c981

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:39 AM

We can alter our genes...? If we do what exactly?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:55 AM

@Kamal: What's your point with the correlation vs. causation thing? You could say that about anything. Whatever I say, you could be like, "Well, correlation isn't necessarily causation!" Great, but what have we learned? Did we get any better at living? Health? Anything? No? Then let's move on.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:51 AM

Continued: I still find it a hilarious juxtaposition though when somebody talks about nutrition and something perhaps being bad for you or whatever, yet they're frail, weak, have bad skin, etc. Especially when they're making a big deal out of something, like grains being evil. I can't help but laugh at them.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:50 AM

@Kamal: I don't know anything about Bill Lands or Sally Fallon, but if they're frail, weak, etc., I don't want any part of their lifestyle. Perhaps they might have a few interesting things to say, but then again, I would judge them as interesting only if SOMEBODY ELSE put them into practice and found that they worked. Plus when I read "health guru", I thought of somebody like Erwan Le Corre, Mark Sisson, or Storm Talifero. Of course the academic nutrition scientists etc. mightn't be in great shape. Most academics are unhealthy slobs.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 15, 2011
at 01:43 AM

you can.....ask them to post their liver MRI's.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:41 AM

@Kamal: No, that's not what I meant. Here's what I meant: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fuzzy-headed

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:40 AM

@Mark: Where did I say that it was news to me that nutrition is a science?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 15, 2011
at 01:01 AM

"Correlation" and "Causation": there's a reason they made different words for these two concepts :)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 15, 2011
at 01:00 AM

The content of our brains do not perfectly correlate with how we look, and knowledge of nutrition does mean you have to look amazing. It's hard to look at Bill Lands and judge his knowledge of omega 6:3 ratio and its health impact on his looks. It's hard to look at Sally Fallon and determine she knows a lot about healthy cooking. And it's hard to look at Lebron James and determine that he probably doesn't know anything about neolithic agents of disease.

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:56 AM

Yes, as a matter of fact I do.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:55 AM

what's a fuzzy-headed idiot? is that like one of those troll dolls from the 80's?

6fa48935d439390e223b9a053a62c981

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:39 AM

@anonymous coward: It's news to you that nutrition is a science? Ever hear of Gary Taubes' GCBC?? sheesh

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:30 AM

+! for genes and social norms. I wanna follow someone with a big bulging brain. Don't care to much what his/her body parts look like.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Excellent point!

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Well, that's news to me! I thought that nutrition and health were about BEING HEALTHY. Usually your looks are a good indicator of that. If you try to tell me that paleo is super healthy, and that's why you do it, but you're a frail old man or a fuzzy-headed idiot, I'm gonna think twice about listening to you.

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:51 PM

"Sure Robb Wolf might be a young, strapping stud right now... but what if Robb goes at 59 from some kind of disease." Anyone who says dying before old age disqualifies you from being a health guru, is basically saying that Bruce Lee was not a health guru. Heh.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:39 PM

1) I, too, want pictures of female hunters with pert breasts, in the interest of science and parity :) 2) I want one of those big ole joints, like the one that guy is smoking in the pic. I haven't seen one of those since my university days.

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:39 PM

agree with jack, they are cool pics, but is this an answer?

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:30 PM

I vote yes to the paleo gossip site!

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:22 PM

hmm. these are cool pics and all, but this does not really address the question. just sayin. thanks though.

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:21 PM

find a decent picture of a young female hunter gather with pert breasts etc... I am male, this is not a sexist thing...

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:20 PM

right and see if we know that jimmy eats a lot of 'crap', then that would something factual. we know he ate "x" often, which in my opinion, is not an assumption at all.

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:15 PM

no that looks like a hat, but I'm pretty sure the squatting guy in photo 4 is smoking a giant blunt.

E9214b7dfa3352f4e559555f87311287

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:05 PM

I don't see any women.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:57 PM

thats another reason I dont follow any Guru, just the science.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:56 PM

does the last photo have a bag of chips?

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:55 PM

you arent selling a lifestyle change for $$ either Ruby ;), Most of them are, and therefore the practice what you preach, and the expectation that what you teach will have positive results.

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

(2081)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:52 PM

Like I said, some people must find scrawny, pallid vegans "healthy looking." I don't - you obviously don't - so yes, it IS subjective. For what it's worth, Jimmy Moore and Sally Fallon are largely responsible for my change of diet - a lot of people would say they are both too "pudgy" to be healthy (and yes, I see that you said Ms. Fallon looks healthy *despite* her weight).

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:46 PM

@ JansSushiBar - unfortunately the Paleo movement generally seems uninterested in the unique problems that women face, and is often dismissive of their impact. Sadly I suspect that the lack of female Paleo Gurus has something to do with it, but until that changes I won't hold my breath waiting for Richard Nikoley to start blogging about the pros and cons of hormonal birth control. ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:44 PM

Kim, I agree with you. Matthew, you are right.

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:42 PM

Life is better lived without gurus.

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:39 PM

I think Sally Fallon Morell looks great... remember that she is post-menopausal. There are shifts in hormones after menopause and even women in hunter gatherer societies looked slightly different after these hormonal changes occurred.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:39 PM

cont - Closer to home, many Paleo Hackers are overcoming obesity, and although the average person on the street would never guess, they probably have greater nutritional knowledge than most standard whole-grain pushing MDs.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:38 PM

Closer to home, many Paleo Hackers are overcoming obesity, and although the average person on the street would never guess, they probably have greater nutritional knowledge than most standard whole-grain pushing MDs.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:37 PM

@ Thomas Seay; perhaps I didn't explain myself very well. It might seem like common sense to make a snap judgement of somebody's *apparent* health if they're trying to sell you their diet plan, but they are so many unknowable factors. I think that it also reflects (and perpetuates) a trend of disturbing superficiality. Fat is already unfairly a social code word for so many negative things that it is seen as a visible manifestation of a moral failing, which makes it permissible to dismiss fat people, and y something close to a third of the developed world is overweight to some degree.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:33 PM

Wait a minute. You see a "health guru" whose diet interests you. He has dark rings under the eyes and is pallid. Is that really subjective?

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(5136)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:31 PM

"some of them dress rather unflatteringly" lol.

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:23 PM

It's a non-issue - what one perceives as "healthy-looking" is completely subjective. Or else that Durianrider guy wouldn't be anyone's "guru."

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:20 PM

I explicitly said that it's not about beauty per se. So, in other words, do you believe that how the health guru looks should not figure at all? I can't believe that. You would have to be completely credulous to follow an unhealthy looking guru, in my opinion.

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

(2081)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:17 PM

"...going through the menopause can do a real number on your hormones/the way your body behaves regardless of how you try to compensate via lifestyle." Amen to that!!!

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

(2081)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:15 PM

I agree, Melissa - it's not a hack and it has the potential to get very nasty. You don't have to be gorgeous and ripped to be healthy, or to benefit from your diet, whatever it is.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:11 PM

Like I said, I am not judging by standards of beauty. I don't think I was too harsh on Sally. She does look healthy. I am 51 myself now and I appreciate that no matter how healthy you are that the body is not what it used to be. And, yes, we should not judge people by their looks. I am just saying that these people put themselves out there advocating a diet/lifestyle. I don't think it's unfair to take into consideration how healthy they look.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:11 PM

Most hunter gatherers don't even look like Paul Chek lol. I don't go by looks anyway. Dr. Mercola eats gluten and Robb Wolf recommends taking Natural Calm, which has citrate-based Magnesium and is loaded with toxic free glutamate(MSG)! http://i.usatoday.net/tech/_photos/2011/03/13/huntergathererx-large.jpg http://www.waldeneffect.org/20100910bushmen.jpg http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/earth-carrying-capacity-2.jpg http://www.blogcdn.com/www.slashfood.com/media/2006/06/kalaharibushmen.jpg http://www.raw-food-health.net/images/HunterGathererFaceShot.jpg

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:09 PM

I say close it when people start uploading red-circled photos of Rob Wolf's imaginary cellulite. ;)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 10:08 PM

also some of them dress rather unflatteringly

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:07 PM

You make a good point. Obviously, we need to be careful not to jump to too many conclusions. However, I've just seen too many gurus that look like hell, and I think that's a fair reason to deepen one's scepticism of the diet they're touting.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:04 PM

That depends on what you mean. I don't really care to see male penises (except for my own). I don't care if they're vegan or paleo. I don't really care to see Sally Fallon's Va-jay-jay either, although that would be preferable to the penises. Now Denise Minger's va-jay-jay. I wouldn't mind seeing that.

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:03 PM

No offense to Jimmy, but e still does alot of crap, "low carb bars", diet soda, artificial sweeteners, processed food etc. Plus he was 400+ so might be some perm damage, but never know until he dials in. He's a prime example of why Atkins =|= paleo.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 10:01 PM

Hmm, this question is borderline. It's not a hack and it could get nasty. I have my own opinions, particularly on the men ;) maybe there needs to be a paleo gossip site :P What does everyone else thing? Close or no?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:20 PM

Most hunter gatherers don't even look like Paul Chek lol. Notice most are lean, have muscle and are strong but they don't look bulky like someone who works out excessively and repetitively on gym equipment .

You can bet these lean hunter's muscles work really well which is all that matters. Most "bulk" is just for looks and is overrated IMO.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:22 PM

hmm. these are cool pics and all, but this does not really address the question. just sayin. thanks though.

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

(1132)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:21 PM

find a decent picture of a young female hunter gather with pert breasts etc... I am male, this is not a sexist thing...

E9214b7dfa3352f4e559555f87311287

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:05 PM

I don't see any women.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:56 PM

does the last photo have a bag of chips?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 15, 2011
at 04:03 AM

FYR plenty of women with pert breasts here and elsewhere http://www.anthrophoto.com/cgi-bin/ImageFolio31//imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Humans/Pacific/Trobriands&image=APLAM_0446.jpg&img=30&tt=

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:39 PM

agree with jack, they are cool pics, but is this an answer?

9e7039b63b656582f66d84c5255b436d

(1132)

on April 15, 2011
at 06:52 AM

I can't believe I wrote that...

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(5136)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:15 PM

no that looks like a hat, but I'm pretty sure the squatting guy in photo 4 is smoking a giant blunt.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:39 PM

1) I, too, want pictures of female hunters with pert breasts, in the interest of science and parity :) 2) I want one of those big ole joints, like the one that guy is smoking in the pic. I haven't seen one of those since my university days.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 25, 2011
at 07:47 PM

i still agree with what I wrote above. these hunter gatherer pics have nothing to do with this question. the question is "do you judge health gurus by their looks?" and this thread is closed, so why are you editing your answer.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 25, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Cause I got rid of a photo that wasn't hunter/gatherer(they were a hybrid that used agriculture too). I didn't realize editing bumps an old question. Even a closed one lol.

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Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:05 PM

First of all you're making the assumption that health gurus practice 100% of what they preach 100% of the time. Their nutritional knowledge may be second to none, but various psychological/emotional/social problems e.t.c. may hinder them from actually putting that knowledge to consistent use.

Secondly, we are not their doctor - they may have health conditions (unrelated to diet) that they choose not to disclose. For example, you label Sally Fallon as pudgy, but (as I'm sure that many Paleo women can attest) going through the menopause can do a real number on your hormones/the way your body behaves regardless of how you try to compensate via lifestyle.

Thirdly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Chris Kresser doesn't look at all frail to me; on the contrary he looks lean and his complexion is great. On the other hand the hypertrophy of Paul Chek seems unnatural to me. Although I do agree with you that the vegan looks like death warmed over.

Finally, although it may be appropriate to judge people selling health in their own image, on their health, at the same I feel uncomfortable that as a whole we are becoming increasingly (and unhealthily) image obsessed. Good bodies are all too often equated with good people.

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:17 PM

"...going through the menopause can do a real number on your hormones/the way your body behaves regardless of how you try to compensate via lifestyle." Amen to that!!!

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:38 PM

Closer to home, many Paleo Hackers are overcoming obesity, and although the average person on the street would never guess, they probably have greater nutritional knowledge than most standard whole-grain pushing MDs.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:46 PM

@ JansSushiBar - unfortunately the Paleo movement generally seems uninterested in the unique problems that women face, and is often dismissive of their impact. Sadly I suspect that the lack of female Paleo Gurus has something to do with it, but until that changes I won't hold my breath waiting for Richard Nikoley to start blogging about the pros and cons of hormonal birth control. ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:11 PM

Like I said, I am not judging by standards of beauty. I don't think I was too harsh on Sally. She does look healthy. I am 51 myself now and I appreciate that no matter how healthy you are that the body is not what it used to be. And, yes, we should not judge people by their looks. I am just saying that these people put themselves out there advocating a diet/lifestyle. I don't think it's unfair to take into consideration how healthy they look.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:39 PM

cont - Closer to home, many Paleo Hackers are overcoming obesity, and although the average person on the street would never guess, they probably have greater nutritional knowledge than most standard whole-grain pushing MDs.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:40 AM

i disagree with the comments about menopause or andropause.....we can all be better than our former selves if we choose to be.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:37 PM

@ Thomas Seay; perhaps I didn't explain myself very well. It might seem like common sense to make a snap judgement of somebody's *apparent* health if they're trying to sell you their diet plan, but they are so many unknowable factors. I think that it also reflects (and perpetuates) a trend of disturbing superficiality. Fat is already unfairly a social code word for so many negative things that it is seen as a visible manifestation of a moral failing, which makes it permissible to dismiss fat people, and y something close to a third of the developed world is overweight to some degree.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 28, 2011
at 02:58 PM

@Simibee, The simple reality is that one cannot become a paleo guru unless they are male.

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on April 14, 2011
at 09:58 PM

Stephan G just put up a new face pic too. He looks more rugged in the new pic, like a tough guy or something, but healthy too.

Look at Jimmy Moore. He has struggled with weight issues for a long time, quite open about it too. But he knows a lot about health, fitness, and nutrition.

It's inevitable that people will judge health gurus til the day they die... and if they die fairly young or from some disease or ailment, that's when the real judging will begin. Sometimes legit, sometimes not so much.

Sure Robb Wolf might be a young, strapping stud right now... but what if Robb goes at 59 from some kind of disease. Does this mean everything he taught, everything he stood for is down the tubes. Certainly not. Likewise... as difficult as this will be for some people here to swallow, the same can be said about "the other side"... like vegans and the like. Just because they die from cancer, doesn't necessarily mean it was because they were vegan, or whatever. If One of the big Paleo leaders was diagnosed with heart disease, it is likely that, at least within the Paleo community, all elements would be looked at very closely... how were they raised (kinda like my horrible things pre-paleo thread)... what about genetics? maybe it was a fluke... etc etc.

In some ways, the same can be said about how people look. If we are to expect that kind of rationale toward folks in our camp, we must extend the same outward. Assumptions can run wild. Gotta be careful to concrete things in your mind based on assumption.

But overall, yes people who have a platform to teach others about how to be healthy and fit should most definitely be healthy and fit themselves. It really helps people feel comfortable following that leader. This is largely true of any leadership category.

7807ddb36f3fa43477d7d3cf7a561980

on April 14, 2011
at 11:51 PM

"Sure Robb Wolf might be a young, strapping stud right now... but what if Robb goes at 59 from some kind of disease." Anyone who says dying before old age disqualifies you from being a health guru, is basically saying that Bruce Lee was not a health guru. Heh.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:03 PM

No offense to Jimmy, but e still does alot of crap, "low carb bars", diet soda, artificial sweeteners, processed food etc. Plus he was 400+ so might be some perm damage, but never know until he dials in. He's a prime example of why Atkins =|= paleo.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:07 PM

You make a good point. Obviously, we need to be careful not to jump to too many conclusions. However, I've just seen too many gurus that look like hell, and I think that's a fair reason to deepen one's scepticism of the diet they're touting.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:20 PM

right and see if we know that jimmy eats a lot of 'crap', then that would something factual. we know he ate "x" often, which in my opinion, is not an assumption at all.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:57 PM

thats another reason I dont follow any Guru, just the science.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 15, 2011
at 01:45 AM

I think how you look is a reflection of congruity.......and genetics dont play a big as role as many here think. We can alter our genes with regularity daily if we do the correct things. And those things are gold and soon will be discussed.

6fa48935d439390e223b9a053a62c981

(1676)

on April 15, 2011
at 02:39 AM

We can alter our genes...? If we do what exactly?

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Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

on April 14, 2011
at 09:59 PM

Heck yeah I do. I also wish we could see their insidey parts.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 15, 2011
at 01:43 AM

you can.....ask them to post their liver MRI's.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:04 PM

That depends on what you mean. I don't really care to see male penises (except for my own). I don't care if they're vegan or paleo. I don't really care to see Sally Fallon's Va-jay-jay either, although that would be preferable to the penises. Now Denise Minger's va-jay-jay. I wouldn't mind seeing that.

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:36 PM

It's only logical to follow the fat-loss (for example) advice of those who currently possess your goal physique. If you want to look like Mark Sisson or Nate Miyaki, you should probably do what they do. If you want huge arms, you talk to the guy with huge arms. A guy with a lot of letters after his name but also a lot of gut over his belt has some credibility issues when it comes to fat loss. Does he know what he's talking about but lack any sort of discipline or does he simply not know what he's talking about? If the former, did that lack of discipline carry over to his studies as well?

If you're principally concerned with health and/or longevity, things get messier since it's incredibly difficult to quantify it. Even so, it's difficult to be very healthy but look really sickly.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on April 15, 2011
at 08:12 PM

great points travis

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6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 12:04 AM

Yes. Of course. If somebody's trying to convince you that their diet is healthy, it's usually instructive to see whether it WORKED. All the science is good and all, but it really comes down to whether the damn thing works. You can talk about metabolic environments and gluten and stuff all you want, but when the rubber really hits the road, the question is this: Does it WORK? We're not charlatans here. We're not ideologues. We're people looking for a better way to live. Or at least that's what I'm doing.

You can spend all your time staring at the words. You can sit around all day imagining eating something and then your blood vessels filling with fat and obstructing your blood flow or whatever else you read in some book but have never seen. But when it's all over, you're gonna be damn sure that you're not frail, sickly, and unable to run. Or at least that's what you would do if your goal isn't to have some sort of agenda about food, to impress people, or to convince other people; that's what you would do if your goal is to be HEALTHY.

So let's look at a couple people. They preach a certain lifestyle for health; we'll see whether they really do achieve that health:

Erwan Le Corre: He does the paleo diet thing, and also tries to extend that to his exercise. Here's a video. Here's a picture. The verdict? Looks like his diet is WORKING. That's all.

Storm Talifero: Raw no-junk-food vegan. He eats raw fruits, veggies, nuts, etc. Here's a few pictures (press "More" to see a few more pages of them). And here's another set of pictures. He's 60 years old in those pictures. The verdict? Looks like his diet is working. How's that sound to you people? When you think "vegan", you probably think "frail", "weak", etc. Well, looks like somebody beat the odds, and in his 60's at that! Say what you want about his reasoning/rationalizations for his diet (the words that he uses to justify it!); in the end, the damn thing is going well. Perhaps paleo or traditional would be better? But we'll never know!

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:55 AM

@Kamal: What's your point with the correlation vs. causation thing? You could say that about anything. Whatever I say, you could be like, "Well, correlation isn't necessarily causation!" Great, but what have we learned? Did we get any better at living? Health? Anything? No? Then let's move on.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Excellent point!

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 15, 2011
at 07:54 AM

The vegetarian could do with a bacon sandwich, or two (without the bread of course)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 15, 2011
at 01:00 AM

The content of our brains do not perfectly correlate with how we look, and knowledge of nutrition does mean you have to look amazing. It's hard to look at Bill Lands and judge his knowledge of omega 6:3 ratio and its health impact on his looks. It's hard to look at Sally Fallon and determine she knows a lot about healthy cooking. And it's hard to look at Lebron James and determine that he probably doesn't know anything about neolithic agents of disease.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 15, 2011
at 01:01 AM

"Correlation" and "Causation": there's a reason they made different words for these two concepts :)

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:51 AM

Continued: I still find it a hilarious juxtaposition though when somebody talks about nutrition and something perhaps being bad for you or whatever, yet they're frail, weak, have bad skin, etc. Especially when they're making a big deal out of something, like grains being evil. I can't help but laugh at them.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 02:54 PM

@Kamal: Yeah, but that would be stupid because you would be adding an extra variable (nutrition scientist vs. random athlete). I wasn't saying that you should simply look at who's the strongest or something and then follow them. I meant, when you compare one health guru to the other (keeping the variables much more constant!), it's useful to see whether their advice worked for THEMSELVES. This applies much more to HEALTH GURUS than random nutrition scientists. I thought we were talking about people like Erwan Le Corre or Durian Rider, not random academics who study omega whatevers.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 15, 2011
at 05:50 AM

The point of correlation vs causation is that the scientific method boils down to distinguishing the two. You are obviously free to judge someone's advice by how they look, but it doesn't pass muster logically. Bill Lands is the leading omega 6:3 researcher in the world, Sally Fallon is the founder of the Weston A Price foundation that Paleo got many influences from. My point is that if you put them in a lineup with a couple gifted athletes who look good despite not eating well, it would be difficult to decide who's advice to follow.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:50 AM

@Kamal: I don't know anything about Bill Lands or Sally Fallon, but if they're frail, weak, etc., I don't want any part of their lifestyle. Perhaps they might have a few interesting things to say, but then again, I would judge them as interesting only if SOMEBODY ELSE put them into practice and found that they worked. Plus when I read "health guru", I thought of somebody like Erwan Le Corre, Mark Sisson, or Storm Talifero. Of course the academic nutrition scientists etc. mightn't be in great shape. Most academics are unhealthy slobs.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 02:57 PM

@Kamal: You can talk about something not passing to logic test all you want (whatever the hell that means), but when it comes down to it, most people here are probably simply looking for a better way to live. If somebody preaches a certain lifestyle, the question is whether it WORKS, and one of the best/easiest tests for whether it works it whether it worked for them. Storm Talifero, Erwan Le Corre, Mark Sisson, Durian Rider, etc. They all preach a certain lifestyle. Isn't it useful to see whether their advice worked for them? Yeah. Of course.

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6fa48935d439390e223b9a053a62c981

(1676)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:13 PM

Nutrition and health are about science, not looks. Looks can have as much to do with genes and social norms as anything else. Most modern gym rats (and others) would look at those HGs above and assume they have something wrong with them, or at least should do more WODs......

So no. I focus on the science, and am extremely sceptical if I detect an ideological agenda masquerading as good advice.

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(24286)

on April 15, 2011
at 12:30 AM

+! for genes and social norms. I wanna follow someone with a big bulging brain. Don't care to much what his/her body parts look like.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Well, that's news to me! I thought that nutrition and health were about BEING HEALTHY. Usually your looks are a good indicator of that. If you try to tell me that paleo is super healthy, and that's why you do it, but you're a frail old man or a fuzzy-headed idiot, I'm gonna think twice about listening to you.

6fa48935d439390e223b9a053a62c981

(1676)

on April 15, 2011
at 12:39 AM

@anonymous coward: It's news to you that nutrition is a science? Ever hear of Gary Taubes' GCBC?? sheesh

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:41 AM

@Kamal: No, that's not what I meant. Here's what I meant: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fuzzy-headed

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 15, 2011
at 01:40 AM

@Mark: Where did I say that it was news to me that nutrition is a science?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 15, 2011
at 12:55 AM

what's a fuzzy-headed idiot? is that like one of those troll dolls from the 80's?

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065bc9a541c742defb28b9c58ad34fbd

(1783)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Robb Wolf snuggling a kitty...goodness!

fans self

Ahem, anyways, I wouldn't want my overall health and wellness to be judged by strangers via pictures on the internet. Therefore, I won't do unto others.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:55 PM

you arent selling a lifestyle change for $$ either Ruby ;), Most of them are, and therefore the practice what you preach, and the expectation that what you teach will have positive results.

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(1013)

on April 15, 2011
at 12:11 AM

Genetics play a role. And looks can be deceiving when you are young.....but by the time you hit 50 your lifestyle choices show.

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