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Why limit nuts/seeds/carbs if ancestors had access?

Commented on December 08, 2013
Created December 07, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Why would we limit yams/potatoes, and ultimately carbs, if our ancestors had access to them? They certainly would not have limited consumption of carbs. Same thing goes for nuts and fruits. With access, they would have consumed as much of these foods as they wanted and had less need for meat.

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Until we figured out how to cook and store food it would have been literal feast-and-famine, with period of excess consumption of mainly one nutrient. We would have gorged on fruits, nuts and animals whenever we could get them. Animals mainly in the spring when they were fat, slow moving, and had lots of baby animals for us to steal. Mollusks are one food we would have had in abundance all year round; probably a few others.

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Yes please! In the boat server. Toro belly.

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on December 07, 2013
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sashimi for me.

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on December 07, 2013
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are you referencing anyone or 'ones' specifically, got any links

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on December 07, 2013
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Certainly you can go hog-wild on nuts one day, tubers the next, but we don't live in a paleolithic environment anymore. It's a highly artificial environment. We cannot act as our paleolithic ancestors did. In fact, we still act in accordance with their instincts and preferences, and in our current dietary environment, you get morbid obesity. Unless you are actually foraging for food daily: you must limit your food energy intake, consciously eat a variety of foods, etc…

Paleo ain't reenactment. It's a framework to build a diet from - a hypothesis really. Theorizing about what past humans ate and their resulting health/performance leads us to eating certain things today. Yes, nuts, tubers and seeds were available, but then so were 100s of other food items… I have to wonder why lesson #1 from our paleo ancestors isn't then "eat a varied diet."

Non-grain carbohydrates (e.g. tubers) aren't really a problem, though cutting them is helpful for leaning out. Nuts/seeds aren't really a problem even with their phytate and PUFA content, they're highly associated with positive health outcomes.

Eat some nuts once in a while, not a pound in a sitting, nor daily. Eat some carbs now and then, as long as they don't push you into energy excess or are highly refined, you're in good shape.

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on December 08, 2013
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Until we figured out how to cook and store food it would have been literal feast-and-famine, with period of excess consumption of mainly one nutrient. We would have gorged on fruits, nuts and animals whenever we could get them. Animals mainly in the spring when they were fat, slow moving, and had lots of baby animals for us to steal. Mollusks are one food we would have had in abundance all year round; probably a few others.

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on December 07, 2013
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When people talk about limiting nuts and seeds, you have to put it into context. For a paleolithic person to have eaten, say, 50g of almonds would have taken ages: foraging, picking and cracking them open (which I struggle to do even with a nutcracker) wouldn't have been a quick process.

Compare that to: open bag, tip bag up. Try not to finish bag.

So our 'limited' bowl of nuts is a caveman's day-long nut blowout.

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on December 07, 2013
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A lot of people do Paleo in order to combat problems like diabetes or PCO or other hormonal issues linked to insulin resistans. In that case a low carb diet is usually beneficial. If your body works just fine there's no need to go low carb just because you're Paleo.

Doing low carb if it's not necessary can actually cause the thyroid gland and other glands to function less optimal.

My goal is to increase carb intake when my body starts functioning better. Iife is easier the less food you need to opt out and it's easier to get all micros right when you can be less restricted in your macros.

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imagine a buffet that serves only paleo fare. Now, you are so damn hungry you literally run to the steam tables. Quick, what's the first and largest thing you choose? A fun thought experiment, right?

My answer is the fattiest, juice dripping down piece. Prob. skip the unripe berries on the salad bar.

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on December 07, 2013
at 12:55 AM

sashimi for me.

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on December 07, 2013
at 01:00 AM

Yes please! In the boat server. Toro belly.

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on December 07, 2013
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For your reference: http://paleohacks.com/questions/65618/paleo-isnt-low-carb-anymore-but-it-kind-of-was.html#axzz2mkIBml00

I don't think paleo is necessarily low-carb. Reputable sources of carbs are tubers--tators and yams. So I don't know where you idea of limiting carbs came from. I think a lot of people purposely do low-carb, because it works for them. But I don't think carbohydrates themselves are harmful... I do not limit tubers in my diet. I limit nuts, however. With nuts, many people (myself included) find them to be gut-irritants (maybe phytic acid issue). Read http://chriskresser.com/another-reason-you-shouldnt-go-nuts-on-nuts.

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