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How do people find out they have issues like 'leaky gut', 'a weak liver', 'adrenal fatigue', etc.?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 18, 2012 at 6:04 PM

I am curious. I skim latest PH posts most days and read with interest posts that talk about healing from dis-ease of some sort. For example, symptoms of my AO and GERD issues have disappeared. BUT, I still have the question noted in the title, and I wonder if others do, or if for whatever reason I am doomed to be alone in my own little Paleo world in the middle of Canada, wondering how people KNOW the causes of their physical issues. I realize that some folks, thankfully, have healthcare professionals with enlightened knowledge of evolutionary health, but I do wonder about others. Thanks for feedback:).

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on November 19, 2012
at 07:21 PM

Same here, and urine as well. Leaky gut was based on food allergies, and general dysbiosis and intolerance to certain foods. We did an IgG food allergy panel.

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on November 19, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Thanks for the feedback JayJay. much appreciated!

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on November 19, 2012
at 03:14 PM

@VB- love your answer. One point:), I also celebrated re Hostess! I understand what you say re doing our own research. I too am a different person due to the Paleo foodway and finding that my issues, while generally not needing drugs, were in fact food related.

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on November 19, 2012
at 03:02 PM

I totally get what you say re conducting your own research. Me too!:)

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on November 19, 2012
at 06:37 AM

Jackie, could you recommend someone for possible SIBO? It does not matter where they are located.

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on November 19, 2012
at 06:19 AM

I totally agree about the PPIs.. similar situation with some GI issues - went to the best doctors in NYC, all had surprisingly quick answers based on assumptions, though I did eventually find a great internist. Huge lessons from that.

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on November 19, 2012
at 04:09 AM

No, mine method is better. SGF (Scientific Gut Feeling).

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on November 18, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Just recognize each of these things as an adaptive physiological state rather than some disease that you have.....if you wrap your head around that then you are half way home!

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on November 18, 2012
at 11:12 PM

The intestinal permeability test is about half way down the page....

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on November 18, 2012
at 11:09 PM

The diagnosis given at a doc is usually done so simply based on a combonation of symptoms and physical assessment. If you have a computer and an undergrad degree in biology you can probably search things out for yourself. Heck you can even order your own test to verify your SWAG! https://www.directlabs.com/Default.aspx?&catid=84&language=en-US&tabid=55

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on November 18, 2012
at 10:15 PM

OK 2020mojo and JayJay....I appreciate your responses but I am still stumped as to how someone would KNOW they have 'leaky gut' (Other stuff can be assessed at the doc I guess). Seems that it would be a WAG (as opposed to SWAG:).

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on November 18, 2012
at 06:52 PM

I use the same method as doctors, SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess).

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 19, 2012
at 04:09 AM

No, mine method is better. SGF (Scientific Gut Feeling).

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on November 19, 2012
at 04:59 AM

I am going to say something mean but I hope no doctor is going to read it: over my ten years working with doctors, dietitians, so-called specialists and so on there is only one thing I can say about doctors: they don't f.....ing know. Even the good ones. Sure, they can perform surgery masterfully, but they will most likely cut out the organ you badly need.

I have never met a functional medicine/integrative medicine doctor. There is small hope that they are better, but I kind of doubt it.

To illustrate the point: I was misdiagnosed over 10 times, given the wrong prescription 3 times (in the last 10 years, more than 20 times in the last 15), told the wrong thing to do over 20 times. In fact, if any doctor prescribes PPIs for you - don't take them. Run, run for your life!

There was one doctor who finally admitted that he did not know. I totally respect him for that.

I am taking matter in my own hands now. I am not saying I am going to be my own doctor. I am against self-medication. I don't even like medicine. Actually, I hate it with passion.

But I do my research prior to going to the doctors. I don't read just one article. I read 100 of them. I read them from different sources, sometimes quite the opposite. I compare them. I analyze the data. I listen to podcasts. I review the newest methods. I try to figure out all possible side effects.

The most important question to ask "Why?" My ferritin is low even though I eat meat, liver and spinach. Why? I am tired all the time. Why? The funny thing, sooner or later you find the answer - it is somewhere out there and nobody just bothered to look. Doctors are not motivated enough. Just like teachers, many doctors are too proud to admit that there is something they do not know. Well, I am not that proud. I know sh#$. But even considering the fact that I am not as smart, don't know the technical terms and have no experience whatsoever, I can see a glimpse of the whole picture. Not the whole picture, but just a part of it.

You know what is interesting? It is almost like a puzzle. You take one piece, then another, then another, and when you have enough and you finally figure out how to put them together - they make the whole picture. And this picture is simple and beautiful, even though the process is painstaking and tedious. It is almost like a Eureka moment. You say to yourself - OMG, why didn't I think of it before?

It gotten to the point that I was able to diagnose myself (it sounds crazy, and it is crazy - I don't think it is right) and the test results confirmed my diagnosis. This was the first time in my life when I had an actual proof that something was wrong with me, not just my symptoms. Now I just have to find a solution that would work.

I am not blaming the doctors. After all, only 1000 years ago people thought that the sun rotates around earth and earth is flat. It is normal. It is a part of life.

As a matter of fact, I am deeply grateful. Grateful for the information I am able to find. Grateful to people who took their time to provide the information for me. All I had to do was look for it.

I can honestly say now that I know things that conventional doctors don't. I know about the Paleo diet, Weston Price, Terry Wahls, traditional diets, phytic acid, and last but not least, Methanobrevibacter smithii. I know why people become gluten intolerant, I know how to treat SIBO, I know the reason why my ferritin levels are low and why I am tired all the time. I also know about FODMAPS and GAPS. Not that I want to know about them - it was not my choice, it was a necessity.

I have started my Paleo journey on October 28th, 2011. I have started researching back in September 2011. It has been an incredible journey. I will never see people, food and grocery shopping in the same way.

I was thinking about going into nutritional anthropology, but I don't think it is a good idea for me. I am too passionate about it. If I see somebody eating Twinkies or a Mars bar, I might just strangle them to death. I am probably the only person celebrating the fact that Hostess is going out of business. So being a dietitian is not worth it. But I do not regret anything. Not being misdiagnosed, not taking the drugs that made me sicker and sicker.

We all have heard that the Universe works in mysterious ways. Well, based on my knowledge of quantum mechanics - it is true. If I weren't that sick, I would not found all that information about Paleo and Weston Price. I am a different person that I was one year ago.

So, to answer your question - how do people find out they have a weak liver, an adrenal fatigue and a leaky gut - they are all pieces of one big puzzle. I was inspired by Terry Wahls whose diagnosis did not stop her from learning, researching and experimenting. If you are sick and nobody gives you the answer - seek and you shall find. That's the only way that worked for me.

3dc940ac9be21e45cf83207814c8cd46

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on November 19, 2012
at 03:14 PM

@VB- love your answer. One point:), I also celebrated re Hostess! I understand what you say re doing our own research. I too am a different person due to the Paleo foodway and finding that my issues, while generally not needing drugs, were in fact food related.

363d0a0277a8b61ada3a24ab3ad85d5a

(4642)

on November 19, 2012
at 06:19 AM

I totally agree about the PPIs.. similar situation with some GI issues - went to the best doctors in NYC, all had surprisingly quick answers based on assumptions, though I did eventually find a great internist. Huge lessons from that.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on November 19, 2012
at 06:37 AM

Jackie, could you recommend someone for possible SIBO? It does not matter where they are located.

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on November 19, 2012
at 05:27 AM

like everyone else above has stated, it all comes down to accurately identifying your symptoms. Even the best doctors can misdiagnose even the simplest of health problems. Leaky gut isn't even being recognized as a medical diagnosis, and its symptoms are very similar to other intestinal issues so there is a chance misdiagnosis can occur. And there's no leaky gut cure tablet you can just take to rid yourself of these said symptoms. When something is amiss in my body, I personally like conducting my own extensive research before I go to any doctor.

3dc940ac9be21e45cf83207814c8cd46

(544)

on November 19, 2012
at 03:02 PM

I totally get what you say re conducting your own research. Me too!:)

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on November 18, 2012
at 06:14 PM

Either an educated guess from prevalent signs and symptoms or a battery of tests to affirm the suspicions brought about from those symptoms.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on November 18, 2012
at 11:12 PM

The intestinal permeability test is about half way down the page....

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on November 18, 2012
at 11:09 PM

The diagnosis given at a doc is usually done so simply based on a combonation of symptoms and physical assessment. If you have a computer and an undergrad degree in biology you can probably search things out for yourself. Heck you can even order your own test to verify your SWAG! https://www.directlabs.com/Default.aspx?&catid=84&language=en-US&tabid=55

3dc940ac9be21e45cf83207814c8cd46

(544)

on November 18, 2012
at 10:15 PM

OK 2020mojo and JayJay....I appreciate your responses but I am still stumped as to how someone would KNOW they have 'leaky gut' (Other stuff can be assessed at the doc I guess). Seems that it would be a WAG (as opposed to SWAG:).

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on November 18, 2012
at 11:18 PM

Just recognize each of these things as an adaptive physiological state rather than some disease that you have.....if you wrap your head around that then you are half way home!

3dc940ac9be21e45cf83207814c8cd46

(544)

on November 19, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Thanks for the feedback JayJay. much appreciated!

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on November 19, 2012
at 05:16 PM

well i was diagnosed by a naturopath with adrenal fatigue by a saliva cortisol test.

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

(641)

on November 19, 2012
at 07:21 PM

Same here, and urine as well. Leaky gut was based on food allergies, and general dysbiosis and intolerance to certain foods. We did an IgG food allergy panel.

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