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Gallbladder and liver issue (and other stuff)

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

60 year old male that just went to the hospital emergency room for acute cholecystits or gallbladder attack and admitted to the hospital for a week.

My recent stint in the hospital showed a thickened gallbladder, fatty liver, and inflammation. I had stones and sludge removed and there was a stricture of the gallbladder which opened up through the ERCP that was performed. The good news is that the biopsies they took came back negative. Of course the solution is to remove the gallbladder. Meeting with surgeon in a few weeks, no appointment scheduled yet and at this point I do not intend to have the GB removed.

I have been eating a lot of meat, eggs cheese over the last few, not many vegetables but I do drink coffee, wine and smoke sometime. That all changed after the eye opener I went through last week.

There are so many ways to modify the paleo or hunter gatherer diet I am not sure which way to go so I can stick around on the planet for a few more years. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated!

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on July 21, 2013
at 01:18 AM

Excellent news! Congrats!

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on July 20, 2013
at 04:40 PM

thanks glib. I will try the dandelion, cardoon, artichoke, chicory, radicchio and celery. didn't know people ate dandelions but I am ready for anything right now. thanks for the great reply!

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on July 20, 2013
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raydawg: still have my gallbladder and things are improving. six weeks later after being hospitalized for cholecystitis I am back to eating the way I like. in the beginning modifying my diet using more low fat meats and vegetables, coconut oil, betaine HCI, fish, chicken, bitters, hot lemon and ginger drinks etc. has allowed me to now eat regular paleo meals and not be concerned about the fat. thanks for your support!

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on June 20, 2013
at 07:45 PM

People seem fairly split on whether a gallbladder flush works or not, I have never tried so I can't say for me. I haven't been able to find if everybody has stones or sludge at times in their gallbladder times depending on what they ate, their state of health, stress level etc., or is this simply a curse for some like me?

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on June 20, 2013
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So glad PaleoHacks is available to me. The responses I received and the ones others received about this issue have given me hope one way or another I will be able to stay with the Paleo lifestyle. Thank you! – wy

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on June 20, 2013
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So glad PaleoHacks is available to me. The responses I received and the ones others received about this issue have given me hope one way or another I will be able to stay with the Paleo lifestyle. Thank you!

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on June 19, 2013
at 06:46 PM

Laura, Thanks for your response and glad you are doing so good now. It is so good to know that there is life after gallbladder removal as far as eating the way I do. There is a lot of mixed information on what precipitates stone formation. Some san sugar and gran type foods, others are sure it is saturated fat, but nowhere does medical science have a way of healing the gallbladder. Here is a link from Dr. Eades and it contains some information on the type diet one eats and gallstones: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/carbohydrates-and-gallstones/

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on June 18, 2013
at 10:18 PM

"the last part of my reply should have read maybe NAC and SM to keep estradiol low".

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on June 18, 2013
at 08:55 PM

Iceman - thanks for the welcome and your story. I know this thing is nothing to fool with after going through what I went through last week. Wanted to send you this link on fatty liver as encouragement that this way of eating can do good things as you know. http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/newsroom/news-releases/year-2009/low-carbohydrate-diet-burns-more-excess-liver-fat-than-low-calorie-diet-study-finds.html There are a couple other supplements for those without GB, maybe NAC and MSM? to keep estradiol.

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on June 18, 2013
at 07:28 PM

I am trying to avoid surgery at all costs. Not having a GB can be worked around but I would rather keep it. I don't want to go through what I went through last week though!

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on June 18, 2013
at 07:26 PM

Thank you raydawg - I will try and see if they help.

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on June 18, 2013
at 07:20 PM

Try to avoid the surgery if at all possible, otherwise, you'll have to consume oxbile capsules before each meal. They might help right now if you have trouble digesting fats.

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on June 18, 2013
at 07:28 PM

I am trying to avoid surgery at all costs. Not having a GB can be worked around but I would rather keep it. I don't want to go through what I went through last week though!

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on June 18, 2013
at 07:26 PM

Thank you raydawg - I will try and see if they help.

Medium avatar

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on June 20, 2013
at 06:32 PM

So glad PaleoHacks is available to me. The responses I received and the ones others received about this issue have given me hope one way or another I will be able to stay with the Paleo lifestyle. Thank you!

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on July 21, 2013
at 01:18 AM

Excellent news! Congrats!

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on July 20, 2013
at 04:38 PM

raydawg: still have my gallbladder and things are improving. six weeks later after being hospitalized for cholecystitis I am back to eating the way I like. in the beginning modifying my diet using more low fat meats and vegetables, coconut oil, betaine HCI, fish, chicken, bitters, hot lemon and ginger drinks etc. has allowed me to now eat regular paleo meals and not be concerned about the fat. thanks for your support!

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on June 18, 2013
at 07:32 PM

First of all, welcome on PaleoHacks :) I have to say that I am not doctor nor surgeon, but I am also non-alcoholic fatty liver patient with removed gallbladder this in january this year.

I was diagnosed with the stones like 9 years ago, I followed the doctor's advice and didn't eat sausages, animal fat, and other forbidden meals over the years. Yet, the stones grew significantly so in december 2011 I made the decision to undergo the cholecystectomy (gallbladder removal OP) because colic attacks were more frequent and I couldn't even sleep.

I started to follow paleo 2 months after the OP and I am doing great. Unfortunately, I cannot tell how it works with my stones and gallbladder, but I know, I lost nearly 20 kg / 44 lbs and I am going to medical check within 2 weeks to see how's my liver doing with the fatty liver disease.

If I could, I would not undergo the cholecystectomy and would find another way to remove stones. There is an option to crush stones in the gallbladder and then rinse it. Doctor said that if they developed once, they probably will develop again in the future. Unfortunately, this OP was not available where I live. I mean, the stones are real problem, they can be a headstone of a gallbladder cancer which is very dangerous since it grows under the radar. If I would be in your shoes, I'd go for this OP and then I would follow paleo.

Today I am eating everything paleo friendly and I am doing fine. The OP helped me, no doubt, but I feel there's something wrong with it, something missing and I feel obliged to share my story with a fellow gallstones patient, so you can do the right decision.

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on June 18, 2013
at 08:55 PM

Iceman - thanks for the welcome and your story. I know this thing is nothing to fool with after going through what I went through last week. Wanted to send you this link on fatty liver as encouragement that this way of eating can do good things as you know. http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/newsroom/news-releases/year-2009/low-carbohydrate-diet-burns-more-excess-liver-fat-than-low-calorie-diet-study-finds.html There are a couple other supplements for those without GB, maybe NAC and MSM? to keep estradiol.

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on June 18, 2013
at 10:18 PM

"the last part of my reply should have read maybe NAC and SM to keep estradiol low".

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on June 19, 2013
at 03:11 AM

I had my gallbladder removed in 2011. That was wonderful! The relief was great! The passing stones were becoming ever more frequent. I have been paleo/primal for about 4 months. It has been great too. I love coconut oil. I wonder why it took me so long to get to this point. I have not had to use oxbile or any other digestive type of substance. I really have not worried about any forbidden foods. I did before the surgery. I just like enjoying real food again.

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on June 19, 2013
at 06:46 PM

Laura, Thanks for your response and glad you are doing so good now. It is so good to know that there is life after gallbladder removal as far as eating the way I do. There is a lot of mixed information on what precipitates stone formation. Some san sugar and gran type foods, others are sure it is saturated fat, but nowhere does medical science have a way of healing the gallbladder. Here is a link from Dr. Eades and it contains some information on the type diet one eats and gallstones: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/carbohydrates-and-gallstones/

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on July 17, 2013
at 05:04 PM

Eat lots of vegetables that support your liver. You have a lot of inflammation, too, and a paleo diet will help with that. Make sure the fats you intake are uncooked, or heated to low temperatures. No fried foods, no seed oils, and of course no processed foods of any sort.

For vegetables that support the liver, dandelion, cardoon, artichoke, chicory and radicchio, celery are prime. The more bitter they are, the more they help with bile production. Beet, carrot, lettuce also help. Farther down the list, anything diuretic, such as apples or apricots, may also help. I eat all these in substantial amounts. Many have reversed conditions similar to yours.

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on July 20, 2013
at 04:40 PM

thanks glib. I will try the dandelion, cardoon, artichoke, chicory, radicchio and celery. didn't know people ate dandelions but I am ready for anything right now. thanks for the great reply!

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