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Can folks hack my blood test? (liver actually)

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 16, 2011 at 9:15 AM

My blood test results show that in the year since I went Paleo

Blood tests September 2010, February 2011 and September 2011:

Triglicerides 198 81 78 LDL 183 172 155 HDL 37 49 57

However on the liver front:

Bilirubin 0.59 1.26 1.41 GOT 23 33 34 GPT 26 45 46

From September of 2010, after being diagnosed as Type II diabetic my diet changed completely.

I am wondering if someone can ask me the right question in order to ascertain what is happening with my liver.

No alcohol to speak of. I have almost totally cut out fruit. I do include cheese and some nuts. Take various herbs including Milk Thistle. Only grass fed animals for meat. Only organic vegetables. Vitamin E and D supplements. Cod liver oil. Lots of virgin coconut oil. Various other tweaks.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on January 19, 2012
at 10:59 PM

Eric, consider with your medical partner the value of the above... Losing fat toxifies us esp if TOO FAST -- unfortunately the plastics, pthlates, heavy metals, xenoestrogens, PCBs, pesticides and other fat-soluble toxins are liberated when we burn our helluv OLD fat and overload our detox systems...

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on January 19, 2012
at 10:58 PM

From the link: Nutrients needed by phase II detoxification enzymes Glutathione conjugation: Glutathione, vitamin B6 Amino acid conjugation: Glycine Methylation: S-adenosyl-methionine Sulfation: Cysteine, methionine, molybdenum Acetylation: Acetyl-CoA Glucuronidation: Glucuronic acid phase II detoxification enzymes can be encouraged by : Glutathione conjugation: Brassica family foods (cabbage, broccoli, Brussels sprouts); limonene-containing foods (citrus peel, dill weed oil, caraway oil) Amino acid conjugation: Glycine Methylation: Lipotropic nutrients (choline, methionine, betaine..

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on January 19, 2012
at 10:56 PM

Namby -- do you support the Phase II liver detox????! Gilbert's is a mild dysfunction (or great) of glucuronidation pathways which leads to higher bilirubin (byproduct). http://www.gilbertssyndrome.org.uk/2011/08/detoxification-what-is-it/

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on January 17, 2012
at 03:21 PM

do you have any gerd, heartburn, nausea, gas, bloating? are you taking any digestive enzymes in your tweaks? what are your body temps as normal temps 37C is when enzymes function at the biochemically optimum peaks... and vice versa.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on January 17, 2012
at 03:15 PM

i would strongly concur with Quilt on the candida. it releases mycotoxins which liberated when you are killing it as well as when it overgrows. the mycotoxins are cleared via gut/bile/liver. this is where i find fiber is helpful and therapeutic to bind toxins and helpmwith elimination and take some burden off the liver. what other tweaks are u doing?? do you include zinc and magnesium?? these are universally deficient in nearly all T2DM in my experience and believe or not you may be exacerbating the deficiency with the vitamin D supplementation. get minerals replete.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on January 17, 2012
at 03:11 PM

(mods, im sorry i think i was upvoting and inadvert pressed the wrong arrow!!!)

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on January 17, 2012
at 03:07 PM

ID = infectious disease specialist. (good luck though i dont think most would rcognize SIBO if it hit them on the duodenum)

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on January 17, 2012
at 03:06 PM

great and insightful comments!!!!!

Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on January 16, 2012
at 02:34 PM

The 130 BG is AM upon arising. Before dinner usually 90-100. 2h postprandial usually in the 115-120 range. Not 225lbs, 200-205... that's in winter... usually will lose weight in spring and summer. Last summer got to 195 or so. Gonna try cutting out cheese and nuts if my willpower lets me. White blood cells are all in normal range, some are slightly higher others exactly the same as blood test data I have from 10 years ago.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on January 16, 2012
at 05:22 AM

Wow, those are good #s for a recently diagnosed diabetic at 13. But there's a disconnect becuz 130 is too high for 5.5 or even 6.0. What's your fasting before dinner and 2h postprandial? Ur low-carbing, which is understandable. I would wait for the liv enzymes to subside and keep an eye on your Billirubin. Watch out for adrenal fatigue and thyroid problems if you do very low carb. Most people who detox or with dilatory liv enzyme normalization are morbidly obese: 225 isn't. Look @WBCs and see if they're low-normal.

Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:29 PM

latest hba1c in Sept,2011 was 6.0, 6 months previous, 6.0 although two weeks previous to this at another lab was 5.5. First one in Sept 2010 was 13.0, thus my diagnosis. Not sure how many carbs, but as low as I can make it. I do cheese, cream and nuts for my binges. Healthy fats, liver occasionally, grass fed meats, etc, lots of coconut oil. Liver dump would be the A.M high readings?

Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on January 15, 2012
at 06:28 PM

latest hba1c in Sept,2011 was 6.0, 6 months previous, 6.0 although two weeks previous to this at another lab was 5.5. First one in Sept 2010 was 13.0, thus my diagnosis. Not sure how many carbs, buy low as I can make it. I do cheese, cream and nuts for my binges. Healthy fats, liver occasionally, grass fed meats, etc, lots of coconut oil. Liver dump would be the A.M high readings?

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on January 14, 2012
at 08:10 PM

That's high ... looks like you have some liver dump. What was your latest HbA1c? How many carbs ru doing per day?

Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on January 14, 2012
at 06:32 PM

@Namby Pamby Height about 5 feet 11 weight about 200-205 lbs.

Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on January 14, 2012
at 06:31 PM

The Quilt... first thank you so much for replying. Being a newbie, I need to understand some of the terminology. LFT = Liver function tests? FBG = fasting blood sugar? T2D = Type 2 diabetic? PEPCK = a liver enzyme? hs crp = C-reactive protein? My Fasting BG in the AM is usually about 130... can't seem to get it down. Sometimes it is lower, but I just can't figure out what exactly I am doing the day or evening before that makes it lower.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on January 14, 2012
at 06:29 PM

Eric, what's your current weight and height?

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on January 14, 2012
at 06:27 PM

What's an ID person?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on January 14, 2012
at 04:55 PM

Good Luck and plus one.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on January 14, 2012
at 04:55 PM

your gut is not leaky or infiltrated with candida. Most recovering T2 D have a candida problem but most never realize it. When you get you FBG to 88 I might consider a GI Fx test to check for candida. If youre positive go to an ID person not a GI guy and get then to go nuclear on it to get rid of it. Then spend your next 6-12 months reestablishing your gut microflora with diet and natural probiotics. The think you will notice when you proceed this way is how natural your pituitary gland, adrenal, and thyroid will jump back into your normal groove without you having to do to too much.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on January 14, 2012
at 04:51 PM

your liver is still exporting visceral fat out of it and that is why this is happening. No biggie just understand it. here is another key thing to follow everytime you check your LFT's look at your FBG. while your exporting visceral fat your FBG will be over 88. Once you have exported most of it out you will notice the Dawning phenemena that most T2D talk about vanishes because youre regaining control over PEPCK (by leptin) and then you will also slowly be able to drop your HS CRP and ferritin levels to great levels. At this time you should see some major thyroid benefits provided your

Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on January 14, 2012
at 11:32 AM

I have stayed the same weight for over a year now. Having the high glucose numbers (without being aware of them) I lost about 20 pounds; my previous diet was organic, but whole grain, low fat, etc. etc. My first blood test which revealed high glucose had very normal liver enzyme numbers. The reason I posted was that since going paleo, my liver enzyme numbers have gotten worse, although all other numbers have gotten better.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on January 12, 2012
at 07:15 PM

Ah, T2 diabetic, so u more than likely had fatty liver. So your weight/height and progressive weight loss, if any, will be important in tracking liv enzymes.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on January 12, 2012
at 07:12 PM

Eric, could use your data regarding weight and weight loss preceding blood tests. Also, u've had your hepatitis panel?

Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on November 18, 2011
at 08:05 AM

thank you for the advice.

Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on November 18, 2011
at 08:04 AM

My doctor mentioned it as if in passing... but apparently did not attribute much importance to it... and that's something... because he is fairly conventional and will proscribe pills at the drop of a hat...

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on November 17, 2011
at 03:37 PM

eric - to "bump" it, just edit your original question. Change a word or add some punctuation somewhere. Probably shouldn't do it too often though to the point of being annoying to the board.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 17, 2011
at 08:41 AM

sorry Eric, wouldn't have a clue, but i'm sure someone with the know-how will comment when they have a chance. What did your Doc say?

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on November 17, 2011
at 08:23 AM

sorry Eric, wouldn't have a clue, but i'm sure someone with the know-how will comment when they have a chance. What did you Doc say?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 17, 2011
at 08:22 AM

wouldn't have a clue sorry Eric, but i'm sure someone with the know-how will comment when they are have a chance. What did you Doc say?

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Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

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on November 17, 2011
at 07:52 AM

Bumping this. Hope it is permitted to do so.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on November 17, 2011
at 03:37 PM

eric - to "bump" it, just edit your original question. Change a word or add some punctuation somewhere. Probably shouldn't do it too often though to the point of being annoying to the board.

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on November 18, 2011
at 08:05 AM

thank you for the advice.

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on October 01, 2012
at 12:59 PM

GOT 23 33 34

GPT 26 45 46

sept 2010, feb, 2011 sept,2011

The above are my scores from 3 tests as I mentioned in the original post.

Just went for my latest results:

GOT = 21 GPT = 22 and bilirubin back down to 0,77 right back to where they used to be originally which seems to lend credence to the fact that my liver was kind of de-toxing for a period of time.

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3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

on January 14, 2012
at 09:48 PM

My billirubin is at your level, too, but I have Gilbert's. Yours went up from normal to 1.4. Draw attention to that and ask your doc to to measure it "direct." Check your prior #s and see if it was around 0.6 or 1.4. High billirubin could be due to many things, everything from gallstones. Your liv enzyme going up is probably due to liver detox and they should come down soon, although most peple have their liver #s come down a lot sooner. Plus you weren't really overweight.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on January 19, 2012
at 10:58 PM

From the link: Nutrients needed by phase II detoxification enzymes Glutathione conjugation: Glutathione, vitamin B6 Amino acid conjugation: Glycine Methylation: S-adenosyl-methionine Sulfation: Cysteine, methionine, molybdenum Acetylation: Acetyl-CoA Glucuronidation: Glucuronic acid phase II detoxification enzymes can be encouraged by : Glutathione conjugation: Brassica family foods (cabbage, broccoli, Brussels sprouts); limonene-containing foods (citrus peel, dill weed oil, caraway oil) Amino acid conjugation: Glycine Methylation: Lipotropic nutrients (choline, methionine, betaine..

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on January 19, 2012
at 10:56 PM

Namby -- do you support the Phase II liver detox????! Gilbert's is a mild dysfunction (or great) of glucuronidation pathways which leads to higher bilirubin (byproduct). http://www.gilbertssyndrome.org.uk/2011/08/detoxification-what-is-it/

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on January 19, 2012
at 10:59 PM

Eric, consider with your medical partner the value of the above... Losing fat toxifies us esp if TOO FAST -- unfortunately the plastics, pthlates, heavy metals, xenoestrogens, PCBs, pesticides and other fat-soluble toxins are liberated when we burn our helluv OLD fat and overload our detox systems...

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