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Anyone Eat Ruminant Liver Regularly but Still Have Very High Cholesterol?

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Created March 05, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Paul Jaminet has a great post here about sky-high cholesterol levels in the paleo community and his theories about why: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=2547

In essence, he thinks it's due at least in part to malnutrition, specifically copper. Because the livers of ruminants are such a concentrated source of copper, I wonder if anyone here might eat it but still be afflicted with high LDL-C.

I would define regular consumption as 1/4lb a week or so and very high cholesterol as 275+.

I've started Cu supplementation and will force-feed myself liver every week to see if it affects my TC of 391, though I think it's worthwhile for health even if his theory doesn't pan out. I'm also not thoroughly convinced that this is not a temporary rebuilding process that occurs to some of those who are finally eating right, but there's not much risk (except to appetite) in eating liver, so I'll give it a go.

Maybe everyone who eats that much liver could just chime in with their most recent tested cholesterol level (assuming that there was a fair amount of liver consumption leading up to it).

Edit: Just fried a 1/4 lb of lamb liver in some pork fat from this morning's bratwurst and it wasn't too bad at all. I think the taste is far more offensive when cooked in clarified butter.

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on May 21, 2012
at 08:59 AM

Any update? Also, how much copper were you supplementing? I just started with copper trying to solve LDL and also histamine intolerance..

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on March 06, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Beef heart also has a decent amount of copper. Chocolate is a great source too. Potatoes, sweet potatoes, and coconut flesh are also good sources.

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on March 06, 2011
at 02:59 PM

That is the standard answer many docs give but many of us think that is no longer true with the more data that is being culled. I keep an open mind about it but honestly I dont buy this argument any longer. Even those with FH I would not advocate treating now.

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on March 06, 2011
at 08:38 AM

Also, my GF will never ever eat liver, so she will need to supplement.

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on March 06, 2011
at 08:37 AM

Yeah, I'm only going to take the supplements if I can't get grass-fed liver. So far so good though.

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on March 06, 2011
at 08:34 AM

The idea is that copper intake is actually higher on the SAD and that even if you were deficient, you wouldn't be eating enough cholesterol/saturated fat to create that level of LDL.

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on March 06, 2011
at 05:20 AM

A question comes to mind: if your high LDL is really due to malnutrition (or lack of specific micronutrients like copper), why was it only 107 three years ago, when you were on a (arguably) less nutritious diet?

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on March 06, 2011
at 02:26 AM

Got to the Thincs website and listen to Uffe Rasnskov.....your high cholesterol is healing to you. Why do you care really?

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on March 06, 2011
at 01:16 AM

TC 3 years ago was 168 and LDL was 107 on a whole grain yuppie diet that followed 8 years of a vegan hippie diet.

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:59 AM

Travis - I mentioned TSH as a separate but similarly disturbing issue for some (but not you). What was your Total Cholesterol and LDL prior to paleo?

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:34 AM

Are we talking about high TSH values? I'm assuming this issue is separate from the LDL one, since my TSH has been below 1 before and after paleo.

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:33 AM

Fry beef liver to med rare with coconut oil. While cooking sprinkle with dried thyme and basil. Delicious

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Liver is delicious. Be one with the liver. Honestly it is my favorite meal. Fry it gently in butter or lard and serve with a generous portion of sauteed onions and a couple strips of bacon. Heaven. HDL 106, LDL 76, trigs 34.

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on March 05, 2011
at 11:32 PM

I've just started eating liver every week myself, so no results yet. I am hoping. My most recent TC was 323, so I'm definitely looking to bring it down. So, despite an intense childhood aversion, I'll be eating liver. Looking forward to success stories.

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Ceda025d1f349bc43be115a5f9199fb1

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:23 AM

Having seen your intakes listed here, I doubt you will get a big result from Cu supplementation or that nutrient deficiency was the cause of your lab value. The effect that paleo has on some practitioners' LDL and TSH/T3/T4 is disturbing, and I think may partially reflect some genetic factor that we have not fully elucidated. I suspect that you would get more mileage from decreasing sat fat, for instance by not adding butter and cream, and choosing leaner cuts of meat, with the aim of decreasing saturates to around 20-25% of your fat intake. I'm guessing it's 50% of your current intake. If I recall, you already include safe starches in your diet.

As an aside, I enjoy offal prepared by competent chefs, but I find local availability limited and my own attempts at preparation have been miserable. No matter how nutritious, I can't seem to cook a palatable liver dish for myself.

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on March 06, 2011
at 01:16 AM

TC 3 years ago was 168 and LDL was 107 on a whole grain yuppie diet that followed 8 years of a vegan hippie diet.

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:34 AM

Are we talking about high TSH values? I'm assuming this issue is separate from the LDL one, since my TSH has been below 1 before and after paleo.

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:59 AM

Travis - I mentioned TSH as a separate but similarly disturbing issue for some (but not you). What was your Total Cholesterol and LDL prior to paleo?

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on March 06, 2011
at 02:26 AM

Got to the Thincs website and listen to Uffe Rasnskov.....your high cholesterol is healing to you. Why do you care really?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on March 06, 2011
at 12:33 AM

Fry beef liver to med rare with coconut oil. While cooking sprinkle with dried thyme and basil. Delicious

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on March 06, 2011
at 02:39 AM

Cholesterol is a genetic factor with saturated fat having a decent amount of influence (probably proportional to genetics...).

I do not think you will get all that far without considering it through those other issues. it is not as if it is common to need to supplement Cu in anyone in the population currently.

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on March 06, 2011
at 02:59 PM

That is the standard answer many docs give but many of us think that is no longer true with the more data that is being culled. I keep an open mind about it but honestly I dont buy this argument any longer. Even those with FH I would not advocate treating now.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on March 06, 2011
at 02:21 AM

im eating it now!

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on March 06, 2011
at 02:07 AM

Eating a high copper diet is a good idea. Eating a high copper diet and taking copper supplements can be a bad idea... At least take some zinc with the copper supplements.

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on March 06, 2011
at 08:37 AM

Yeah, I'm only going to take the supplements if I can't get grass-fed liver. So far so good though.

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on March 06, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Beef heart also has a decent amount of copper. Chocolate is a great source too. Potatoes, sweet potatoes, and coconut flesh are also good sources.

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on March 06, 2011
at 08:38 AM

Also, my GF will never ever eat liver, so she will need to supplement.

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