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Does Gary Taubes follow his own advice? You be the judge by his Lipid Profile.

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 18, 2011 at 7:55 PM

After his appearance on Dr. Oz on which he declined to reveal what his cholesterol numbers were because he hadn't had a lipid panel run in a long time.

At the urging of his family, he got it done and he has posted his results.

http://www.garytaubes.com/2011/04/before-sugar-were-talking-about-cholesterol/#respond

Needless to say, his numbers are great because he eats all that "arterycloggingsaturatedfat"

Predominately Pattern A large bouyant LDL, HDL 68, TC 204 Fasting Blood glucose 86 great.

Chris Masterjohn comments that Gary's CO2 is low because "burning fat also produces less CO2 than burning carbohydrate because fats are poor in oxygen compared to carbs."

I would say pretty good numbers for someone who lives on high fat steak and eggs and chicken and butter.

He does follow his own advice.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 09, 2012
at 12:04 AM

Because book sales profits always rival pharma and agri profits? All are profitable, but it's not really playing in the same ball park, now is it.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 09, 2012
at 12:03 AM

This is a good point, sometimes we can ignore the fact that some people will have a predisposition towards certain outcomes: the oldest man in the world was a smoker, some people eat like crap and still run fine etc..

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

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on March 08, 2012
at 09:55 PM

Heart attack risk is a function of inflammation, not cholesterol. That is SO 1980! The CRP test tells you more. I keep HDL high and LDL low, and don't worry about the total.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:52 PM

You need to go back to reading Proust. Your copy of Les Temps Perdu is waiting.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on September 19, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Look Gary's #s are consistent with someone who exercises: his high HDL, his FBG of 86, and you claim his TG is high at 64? I used to burn 1,000 kcal daily by doing ellipitical for an hour, then doing HIIT -- 2 hours of work out daily. All my #s were worse than him. And I don't even do dairy. Gary has said he's not gluten- nor dairy free. If he cuts those two out, he'll have even better #s. But he's definitely fit; his point w/regard to exercise was that it's not an effective means of losing weight, not combined with a low-carb diet.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on September 19, 2011
at 03:41 PM

Not if you're autoimmune and if it causes quality of life issues. See, your quality of life can decline by consuming dairy, as in my case: my neuropathy starts, eyes get dry, throat dries out and gums dry out. For the first 40 years of my life, I never had that problem with dairy and no one dug dairy mo than moi.

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on September 02, 2011
at 02:58 PM

His vegan wife would have been very happy.

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on September 01, 2011
at 05:28 PM

There's another thing I'm looking for in the numbers Rose. A useful tweak for my recent bloodwork. I've got a good sense of what my effect of exercise is, and from looking at other's bloodwork here I have a sense that fructose avoidance would drive my TG lower than exercise and weight loss already have. Gary's numbers should be better than mine if his theory holds but they're not. Especially on TG's. Lots of people here on Paleohacks are 50 points lower.

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on September 01, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Just reading the tea leaves I see Rose. The last diet nook I read recommended drinking emulsified cow's hooves. They all have to have a sensational "bleeds it leads" twist to sell copy and product. With Taubes it's fructose instead of hooves. So I stick with Proust and Gaddis for reading enjoyment and leave diet to reading my blood tests yearly.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on September 01, 2011
at 01:14 PM

Sigh. For someone who's never read him, you certainly have strong opinions about what you imagine he's said. And I've no idea what you're reading into his numbers; the point of making them public was to prove that his arteries weren't trying to kill him on a low-carb diet. If you get more insight than that out of his mostly in-range numbers, you must have a crystal ball that nobody else has.

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on September 01, 2011
at 05:05 AM

They're not the only ones. What if Oz had rolled the blood type dice and come up vegan?

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on September 01, 2011
at 03:11 AM

This bothers me Rose, both because of his anti exercise stance (he's certainly not offering much encouragement to exercise) and because exercise would bias his blood tests. If he is indeed exercising his numbers are not impressive at all.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on August 31, 2011
at 10:52 PM

This is the same blood type diet that Wolf, Sisson and others have been calling bunk?

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on August 31, 2011
at 10:48 PM

I don't find the above correlation true either. For more than a year, I was on a very strict ketogenic diet and my CO2 level is not any different from during my carb-heavy (350g+) days.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on August 31, 2011
at 10:40 PM

I don't find low CO2 being correlated with burning fat (ketosis) in my case. That would seem to be the case but my CO2 results during my ketogenic diet are a bit higher when I was on a carb-heavy diet. What explanation could be for this?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 31, 2011
at 10:00 PM

I know I've heard him say he works out regularly because it feels good, and I thought I remembered him saying he runs. It was most likely in an interview, rather than one of his articles or posts. Anyhow, here he is (in the first ten seconds) saying he does resistance training; if I find the running ref, I'll post it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2awWfboOl04

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on August 30, 2011
at 07:08 PM

Well if he's a runner good for him. Exercise helped my blood tests considerably.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:22 PM

I believe Gary is a runner. His observations about exercise, frequently misrepresented for some odd reason, are not that exercise is bad or useless, simply that it has little impact on weight loss relative to diet, and especially in the obese.

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on August 09, 2011
at 02:35 AM

I could be wrong, but I think Taubes has said that dairy is a quality of life thing and I think it's important to respect that. If someone wants to skydive, scuba dive, ride motorcycles, they all have some risk and thus life shortening statistical effect, but for many people (like my wife who does all three) it's worth it.

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on May 03, 2011
at 07:08 PM

wearing women's shoes and crying... "I know I'm RIGHT! I know I'm RIGHT!"

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on May 03, 2011
at 06:55 PM

No, the most likely explanation is simply that he didn't have a recent score, then ultimately decided to get one, per the OP. How's Dr. Oz's score, BTW? Has that been posted yet?

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on April 27, 2011
at 10:09 AM

The level of LDL depends on apo E -- E2 is lower, E4 higher. Your apo alleles are probably apo E4/E3 or E4/E4 and Taubes E2 containing.

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on April 26, 2011
at 08:40 PM

I guess some are susceptible and some aren't but I doubt that wide LDL differences between two people eating a paleo-type diet matter at all.

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on April 26, 2011
at 08:39 PM

I guess some are susceptible and some aren't but I doubt that wide LDL differences between two people eating a paleo-type diet matters at all.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on April 19, 2011
at 07:08 PM

I know that, but it is highly contentious exactly what constitutes a healthy amount of protein. Different folks have different definitions.

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on April 19, 2011
at 05:54 PM

@Stabby Taubes does caution about replacing carbs with too much protein and not enough fat in Why We Get Fat. "...there's no compelling reason to think that fat, or saturated fat, is harmful, whereas there's good reason to question the benefits of diets that abnormally elevate the protein content. Populations that ate mostly meat or exclusively meat...tried to maximize the fat they ate, and one reason seems to be that high-protein diets--without significant fat or carbohydrates--can be toxic."

1ccc0b0b7a756cd42466cef8f450d0cb

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on April 19, 2011
at 12:47 PM

I thought his TG and glucose numbers were low. Where should they be?

8f4ff12a53a98f3b5814cfe242de0daa

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:45 AM

Having levels like is seems to be reasonably common in the low carb world. Ie. Jimmy Moore is ~100 or HDL and LDL. Paleo is kinda unique in spiking LDL.

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:30 AM

I would guess only total cholesterol would have made it in the final version.

A912ff969107d3eda04ee78c683a6bc5

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:30 AM

In secret, of course!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 19, 2011
at 12:49 AM

amen Stabby! but in the future we will have individualized genetic sequencing and gut bacteria analysis to sort out how we react to dairy.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on April 18, 2011
at 10:09 PM

I agree that these aren't numbers indicative of someone who is very health-conscious and doing it right. Poor quality dairy does me in for sure, I'm skeptical that the good quality stuff is so bad. The thing is that there are indeed ways to get to sub-optimal blood tests without eating carbs. He might have just neglected micronutrients, PUFAs, gut health, might be getting too much protein and not enough fat, all of that. His only dietary advice seems to be replace carbs with meat. Carb restriction is a great help but it's anything but the whole game.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on April 18, 2011
at 10:04 PM

I agree that his numbers aren't indicative of someone who is very health-conscious and doing it right. Poor quality dairy does me in, I don't know about the good stuff, but we also agree that there are ways to get to sub-standard blood tests. Considering that he is very low carb and still with those numbers I think he has just out and out neglected micronutrients, tissue HUFA, gut health and all that Basically his only real dietary advice is replace carbohydrates with meat... That can go wrong. Carb restriction is a decent band-aide. I'd like to see his numbers with some more carbs in the mix

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 18, 2011
at 09:59 PM

Click the link in the question. He says exactly what he eats daily http://www.garytaubes.com/2011/04/before-sugar-were-talking-about-cholesterol/#respond

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 18, 2011
at 09:15 PM

with you boyfriend? Hahahahaha.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on April 18, 2011
at 08:49 PM

He's also been eating liver or supplementing vitamin D3, it seems. Or getting a lot of sun.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 18, 2011
at 08:46 PM

lol............

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 18, 2011
at 08:45 PM

So Melissa you are one of the few who can eat raw milk dairy with you boyfriend. But dont generalize your fortunes. I too happen to be one of them......but I treat many who are not and in my opinion it is one of the biggest fallacies in the paleoblogesphere. I think Guys like Robb and LaLaonde are being very honest with respect to dairy. I dont think its a cut and dry issue.

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on April 18, 2011
at 08:37 PM

My TG are at least half and I eat dairy.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 18, 2011
at 08:30 PM

I loved that he had the balls to do this.....but not digging his TG and glucose numbers.....that is because of the dairy. His CRP numbers should be even lower with that VAP. Tells me he should consider dropping dairy and rechecking it. Compared to most Americans it rocks. Just trying to make a teaching point in there. I just Emailed Oz the test from Gary's site and he said he has already had over 100 people send it to him. LOL. I wonder if Gary ever gets a public response? Monkeys might fly out of my ass before that occurs.

1ccc0b0b7a756cd42466cef8f450d0cb

(1801)

on April 19, 2011
at 12:47 PM

I thought his TG and glucose numbers were low. Where should they be?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 18, 2011
at 08:45 PM

So Melissa you are one of the few who can eat raw milk dairy with you boyfriend. But dont generalize your fortunes. I too happen to be one of them......but I treat many who are not and in my opinion it is one of the biggest fallacies in the paleoblogesphere. I think Guys like Robb and LaLaonde are being very honest with respect to dairy. I dont think its a cut and dry issue.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 18, 2011
at 08:37 PM

My TG are at least half and I eat dairy.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on April 18, 2011
at 10:09 PM

I agree that these aren't numbers indicative of someone who is very health-conscious and doing it right. Poor quality dairy does me in for sure, I'm skeptical that the good quality stuff is so bad. The thing is that there are indeed ways to get to sub-optimal blood tests without eating carbs. He might have just neglected micronutrients, PUFAs, gut health, might be getting too much protein and not enough fat, all of that. His only dietary advice seems to be replace carbs with meat. Carb restriction is a great help but it's anything but the whole game.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 18, 2011
at 09:15 PM

with you boyfriend? Hahahahaha.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on April 18, 2011
at 10:04 PM

I agree that his numbers aren't indicative of someone who is very health-conscious and doing it right. Poor quality dairy does me in, I don't know about the good stuff, but we also agree that there are ways to get to sub-standard blood tests. Considering that he is very low carb and still with those numbers I think he has just out and out neglected micronutrients, tissue HUFA, gut health and all that Basically his only real dietary advice is replace carbohydrates with meat... That can go wrong. Carb restriction is a decent band-aide. I'd like to see his numbers with some more carbs in the mix

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on April 19, 2011
at 07:08 PM

I know that, but it is highly contentious exactly what constitutes a healthy amount of protein. Different folks have different definitions.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 19, 2011
at 12:49 AM

amen Stabby! but in the future we will have individualized genetic sequencing and gut bacteria analysis to sort out how we react to dairy.

9fb6900af6e722fc80ab46782fa94e2c

on April 19, 2011
at 05:54 PM

@Stabby Taubes does caution about replacing carbs with too much protein and not enough fat in Why We Get Fat. "...there's no compelling reason to think that fat, or saturated fat, is harmful, whereas there's good reason to question the benefits of diets that abnormally elevate the protein content. Populations that ate mostly meat or exclusively meat...tried to maximize the fat they ate, and one reason seems to be that high-protein diets--without significant fat or carbohydrates--can be toxic."

9e975c86f483555ed19e59c5628488ca

(823)

on August 09, 2011
at 02:35 AM

I could be wrong, but I think Taubes has said that dairy is a quality of life thing and I think it's important to respect that. If someone wants to skydive, scuba dive, ride motorcycles, they all have some risk and thus life shortening statistical effect, but for many people (like my wife who does all three) it's worth it.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:41 PM

Not if you're autoimmune and if it causes quality of life issues. See, your quality of life can decline by consuming dairy, as in my case: my neuropathy starts, eyes get dry, throat dries out and gums dry out. For the first 40 years of my life, I never had that problem with dairy and no one dug dairy mo than moi.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 08:05 PM

Dr. Oz is about to binge on pork rinds.

A912ff969107d3eda04ee78c683a6bc5

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:30 AM

In secret, of course!

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on May 03, 2011
at 07:08 PM

wearing women's shoes and crying... "I know I'm RIGHT! I know I'm RIGHT!"

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 08:30 PM

I don't believe Gary Taubes follows his own advice. I believe he is a closet macrobiotic who binges on rice cakes and miso soup.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25482)

on April 18, 2011
at 08:46 PM

lol............

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27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on August 31, 2011
at 02:24 PM

Maybe Oz will post the numbers now that he himself is eating like a "hunter gather." I noticed on the cover of this month's First for Women magazine that Oz is touting the blood type diet! Inside, he claims that he feels best when eating in accordance with his O blood type according to Peter D'Adamo's plan which would be mainly meat eating hunter gatherer. The example of an ideal meal for type O was steak and veggies. Oz goes on to say that some people can handle lots of carbohydrate but he can't. What the??? What about that glorious view of rice and lentils stuck in his colon that he treated the audience to during the follow-up broadcast of his colonoscopy? (He didn't follow the prep instructions and the doc doing the colonoscopy was greeted by a colon carb load during Oz's exam.) His newfound confidence in this blood type diet stuff was purportedly due to a Finnish study showing differences in gut bacteria that make some better able to tolerate carbs etc than others. No reference for this purported study.

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on September 01, 2011
at 05:05 AM

They're not the only ones. What if Oz had rolled the blood type dice and come up vegan?

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on August 31, 2011
at 10:52 PM

This is the same blood type diet that Wolf, Sisson and others have been calling bunk?

27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

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on September 02, 2011
at 02:58 PM

His vegan wife would have been very happy.

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154d799847153f5589f99496a9bdbb71

on April 18, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Total Cholesterol 204!?!? GET THIS MAN A STATIN.

:)

It seems depressing that Taubes didn't actually accept Oz's challenge. But then again (after knowing about the editing), they probably would have made the numbers look bad no matter what they were. All considered, I think he still made the right choice.

8f4ff12a53a98f3b5814cfe242de0daa

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:30 AM

I would guess only total cholesterol would have made it in the final version.

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on March 08, 2012
at 11:37 PM

i dont think gary was ever trying to give out "advice." i think gary just wants to spread the truth about what is healthy and what isnt since we are fed so much misinformation day in and day out. i think everyone, including gary, can take the information and do WHATEVER they want with it - as long as it is true information, that is all that really matters.

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on April 26, 2011
at 06:46 PM

I wonder what Taubes' supporters might have said if his total cholesterol and LDL were very high. Maybe then start to apply for the "lipid hypothesis is a myth" argument. It is funny to see that many (not all) people that dismiss the cholesterol hypothesis for bashing low fat dietary dogma are all over the web showing the "extraordinary" blood test results.

Re: CO2 and glucose oxidation

Glucose oxidation via glycolysis produces 2CO2, plus 4CO2 from the Krebs Cycle as a by-product. It is not that carbohydrates have more oxygen, it is the metabolic pathway the responsible for increased respiratory exchange ratio for glucose oxidation.

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on May 03, 2011
at 06:50 PM

If someone were asked to take a test for something like steroids, but they refused and came back weeks later with their own test, then they'd be considered as very suspicious.

But when Taubes does just that, he gets praised.

The most likely explanation is that he was worried about losing book sales, and so he fasted heavily and then presented his figures. Then he made up some cockamamie excuses. Instead of defending his position, he chickens out and then finagles.

After all, pharma profits and agribusiness profits are tainted and lead to corruption, but book author profits are pure and Gary only does what he does for the good of the people.

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on May 03, 2011
at 06:55 PM

No, the most likely explanation is simply that he didn't have a recent score, then ultimately decided to get one, per the OP. How's Dr. Oz's score, BTW? Has that been posted yet?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 09, 2012
at 12:04 AM

Because book sales profits always rival pharma and agri profits? All are profitable, but it's not really playing in the same ball park, now is it.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 08, 2012
at 09:50 PM

if I ate a low-carb diet like Taubes does, my cholesterol would probably be 204 too. but I'd much prefer it at the ~150ish it was on my crappy college diet of processed foods and junk. Ever since I switched to a high-carb, low-fat plant based diet my cholesterol has been in the 120s... and that's without exercising. Want to prevent heart disease? the Framingham heart study says you want a cholesterol of under 150 (heart attack risk at this level is ~0.0%). Taubes is over 50 points over the limit.

Genetically low cholesterol is a real thing: just because Taubes seems to have it doesn't mean his diet is right... show me 100, 1000, 10,000 low-carb dieters with low cholesterol numbers, and i'll be far more impressed.

E0250b1e6dc5ec1539ffb745042b4d80

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on March 08, 2012
at 09:55 PM

Heart attack risk is a function of inflammation, not cholesterol. That is SO 1980! The CRP test tells you more. I keep HDL high and LDL low, and don't worry about the total.

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:18 PM

I feel justified in not buying his books now, because his blood numbers match mine, though my HDL is somewhat higher and my LDL may be a little fluffier. I eat lots of meat and fat for sure, but unlike Gary I exercise and eat a lot of so-called bad calories.

Edit: I followed Rose's direction and went in search of evidence for Taubes the runner. I found none, but did find a tidbit by him on a 68 year old man who had gained 30 pounds by running 80,000 miles. So I'll assume that he doesn't have a high opinion of that activity anyway. Looking at his bloodwork as an example of a sedentary low carb dieter I'd say it's decent, though adding exercise would improve his TG, HDL and fasting glucose numbers.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 30, 2011
at 06:22 PM

I believe Gary is a runner. His observations about exercise, frequently misrepresented for some odd reason, are not that exercise is bad or useless, simply that it has little impact on weight loss relative to diet, and especially in the obese.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on September 01, 2011
at 01:14 PM

Sigh. For someone who's never read him, you certainly have strong opinions about what you imagine he's said. And I've no idea what you're reading into his numbers; the point of making them public was to prove that his arteries weren't trying to kill him on a low-carb diet. If you get more insight than that out of his mostly in-range numbers, you must have a crystal ball that nobody else has.

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on September 01, 2011
at 03:11 AM

This bothers me Rose, both because of his anti exercise stance (he's certainly not offering much encouragement to exercise) and because exercise would bias his blood tests. If he is indeed exercising his numbers are not impressive at all.

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on August 30, 2011
at 07:08 PM

Well if he's a runner good for him. Exercise helped my blood tests considerably.

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on September 01, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Just reading the tea leaves I see Rose. The last diet nook I read recommended drinking emulsified cow's hooves. They all have to have a sensational "bleeds it leads" twist to sell copy and product. With Taubes it's fructose instead of hooves. So I stick with Proust and Gaddis for reading enjoyment and leave diet to reading my blood tests yearly.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 31, 2011
at 10:00 PM

I know I've heard him say he works out regularly because it feels good, and I thought I remembered him saying he runs. It was most likely in an interview, rather than one of his articles or posts. Anyhow, here he is (in the first ten seconds) saying he does resistance training; if I find the running ref, I'll post it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2awWfboOl04

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on September 01, 2011
at 05:28 PM

There's another thing I'm looking for in the numbers Rose. A useful tweak for my recent bloodwork. I've got a good sense of what my effect of exercise is, and from looking at other's bloodwork here I have a sense that fructose avoidance would drive my TG lower than exercise and weight loss already have. Gary's numbers should be better than mine if his theory holds but they're not. Especially on TG's. Lots of people here on Paleohacks are 50 points lower.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on September 19, 2011
at 03:52 PM

You need to go back to reading Proust. Your copy of Les Temps Perdu is waiting.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Look Gary's #s are consistent with someone who exercises: his high HDL, his FBG of 86, and you claim his TG is high at 64? I used to burn 1,000 kcal daily by doing ellipitical for an hour, then doing HIIT -- 2 hours of work out daily. All my #s were worse than him. And I don't even do dairy. Gary has said he's not gluten- nor dairy free. If he cuts those two out, he'll have even better #s. But he's definitely fit; his point w/regard to exercise was that it's not an effective means of losing weight, not combined with a low-carb diet.

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Ddad9291a644361abfa5414ce0ac99d4

on August 30, 2011
at 05:54 PM

so Anti the Antis....no matter what the readings were you'd win? If they were bad then you win...if they're good then they're rigged? How convenient. Must be fun living in your world.

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on April 26, 2011
at 10:32 AM

"burning fat also produces less CO2 than burning carbohydrate because fats are poor in oxygen compared to carbs." is demonstrably incorrect.

The oxygen content of sucrose for example is entirely matched by the hydrogen content C12H22O11 + 12 O2 -> 12 CO2 + 11 H2O with no opportunity for the oxygen in the molecule to contribute to the carbon oxidation

The respiratory exchange ratio CO2 produced / O2 consumed is lowest for fat (0.707) and highest for carbs (1.0).

Taubes most likely has low CO2 due to respiratory compensation for blood ketones - less CO2 in blood to give less acidic H2CO3 to maintain blood pH in presence of acidic ketone bodies.

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on August 31, 2011
at 10:48 PM

I don't find the above correlation true either. For more than a year, I was on a very strict ketogenic diet and my CO2 level is not any different from during my carb-heavy (350g+) days.

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on April 18, 2011
at 08:57 PM

That's funny, his numbers are all very similar to mine except that my LDL-C was almost double his. Given what he said he eats every day on that show, I would have expected higher LDL. Does he have a day's worth of food posted anywhere?

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on April 18, 2011
at 09:59 PM

Click the link in the question. He says exactly what he eats daily http://www.garytaubes.com/2011/04/before-sugar-were-talking-about-cholesterol/#respond

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:45 AM

Having levels like is seems to be reasonably common in the low carb world. Ie. Jimmy Moore is ~100 or HDL and LDL. Paleo is kinda unique in spiking LDL.

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on April 26, 2011
at 08:40 PM

I guess some are susceptible and some aren't but I doubt that wide LDL differences between two people eating a paleo-type diet matter at all.

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on April 26, 2011
at 08:39 PM

I guess some are susceptible and some aren't but I doubt that wide LDL differences between two people eating a paleo-type diet matters at all.

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on April 27, 2011
at 10:09 AM

The level of LDL depends on apo E -- E2 is lower, E4 higher. Your apo alleles are probably apo E4/E3 or E4/E4 and Taubes E2 containing.

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on April 18, 2011
at 08:47 PM

Good on Gary for posting this!

I will say that my numbers were 'better' than his when I ate the SAD. I think genetics do have a lot of influence with this one.

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on March 09, 2012
at 12:03 AM

This is a good point, sometimes we can ignore the fact that some people will have a predisposition towards certain outcomes: the oldest man in the world was a smoker, some people eat like crap and still run fine etc..

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