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Where's the Ideal Paleo Homebase?

Answered on August 27, 2016
Created September 03, 2011 at 4:19 PM

I'm getting a little tired of "hacking" my paleo lifestyle and would like to relocate in the next couple of years to somewhere that I can:

  • see the full night sky (zero light pollution)
  • not have to use blackout curtains to get a good night's sleep
  • not have to use earplugs
  • go barefoot 90% of the year
  • walk/cycle to acquire everything I need
  • hunt big game in my own backyard

BUT with a couple of modern trappings:

  • super-fast internet availability (FiOS-speed)
  • cultural center within 100 miles -- concerts, people doing creative stuff (film, music)

Does it exist? Will it exist (optical fiber rollouts, etc.)?

83d6a06c93bb3490dbca339cbbb63385

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on November 10, 2011
at 11:54 PM

You might consider a little town called Bisbee, Arizona.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on September 30, 2011
at 01:05 AM

Not sure about the hunting either...

Eee3b47a26586bb79e0a832466c066be

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on September 30, 2011
at 12:11 AM

I'm also in NW Arkansas, but in one of the cities proper. Have 50MBPS cable internet. That's the main thing. You can get the hunting area/darkness pretty quickly as you go outside the main cities, but it gets a little harder (not impossible) to find cable internet.

21b36b3de8ff31b0d41e7f0f4b5c1e03

(1688)

on September 29, 2011
at 10:54 PM

Iceland or New Zealand?

386dde6de2e7f33429e9a0ac1ba8ce42

(263)

on September 05, 2011
at 05:34 PM

But the snow!!! Oh god the snow... ;)

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 04, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Damn! That's the other side of the world!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:15 AM

you forgot about the culture parameter... i would curl up and die. honestly, i can't think of anything right now that sounds more terrifying than Walmart in the Ozarks.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on September 04, 2011
at 12:55 AM

too bad about all tha wal-mart pollution

Fe783e04644862c30823614f31b9a996

(499)

on September 03, 2011
at 11:45 PM

@smcdow tall order, right? :) i want it all, i guess.

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on September 03, 2011
at 10:52 PM

very hard to get good internet outside the big cities though...

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on September 03, 2011
at 09:45 PM

http://co.humboldt.ca.us/portal/about.asp

8ea84667a7f11ac3967f2ecfcad28ad8

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on September 03, 2011
at 07:18 PM

Zero light pollution *and* 100 miles to a cultural center? I think you're going to have to revise your constraints.

Fe783e04644862c30823614f31b9a996

(499)

on September 03, 2011
at 06:38 PM

thanks for the plentiful ideas, y'all. what about somewhere in New England? what about the Rust Belt someplace?

Fe783e04644862c30823614f31b9a996

(499)

on September 03, 2011
at 06:37 PM

this looks like a comment rather than an answer--who are you answering, Papa?

Fe783e04644862c30823614f31b9a996

(499)

on September 03, 2011
at 06:32 PM

@Patrik yeah, but it's still a "hack" of a sort--internet &c. @ JS Paleo -- I'm an entrepreneur with a fairly un-anchored business (just click on my profile)

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:58 PM

I guess there's lots of big tuna out there too, right?

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on September 03, 2011
at 05:55 PM

Wow. This is re-enactment on steroids.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on September 03, 2011
at 05:54 PM

Native Hawaiians don't appreciate anyone fishing for & eating sharks. I would strongly advise against it.

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:48 PM

are you considering the future climate of the place you settle? if the science is right, and global warming continues unabated, then arable land will be scarce.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I live in Washington! We visit Idaho a lot.

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(5639)

on September 03, 2011
at 05:47 PM

of course...you would need to take into consideration future drought projections. They're pretty scary, and have led me to consider buying land somewhere far north of here (here being NYC).

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 03, 2011
at 05:40 PM

I live here - much too long of a winter for extended barefooting.

39ccdc07ecb843b6399e0df9c1a6aa1a

(682)

on September 03, 2011
at 05:20 PM

May I ask what do you do for a living? I am still undecided on a career path and would love to one day have the freedom to do what you are trying to do.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on September 03, 2011
at 05:17 PM

I'm from the W. Coast, raised in WA state and probably: Idaho. Canada. Alaska. Northern CA near the Redwoods.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on September 03, 2011
at 04:23 PM

if you build it, they will come........sorry :)

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742d03cebff2a6d8aae313e90d5c76b8

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:54 PM

The Ozarks. We live 3 miles from a small town, but the county seat so, everything we need, including a little WalMart and a Pizza Hut - population 900. No traffic lights, but a couple of stop signs. 30 miles from WalMart headquarters, and the UofA. We have 20 acres with deer sightings daily and live on the river. It is so dark out here, I can barely find my way to the car at night. $300 property tax (take that CA!). High speed internet though I don't know what FiOS is. We can barefoot 350 days of the year. (Don't be scared by the twice-mentioned WalMart. This is WalMart country.) AND I buy my grass-fed buffalo directly from the farm 50 miles away for $5 a pound!

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on September 04, 2011
at 12:55 AM

too bad about all tha wal-mart pollution

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:15 AM

you forgot about the culture parameter... i would curl up and die. honestly, i can't think of anything right now that sounds more terrifying than Walmart in the Ozarks.

Eee3b47a26586bb79e0a832466c066be

(0)

on September 30, 2011
at 12:11 AM

I'm also in NW Arkansas, but in one of the cities proper. Have 50MBPS cable internet. That's the main thing. You can get the hunting area/darkness pretty quickly as you go outside the main cities, but it gets a little harder (not impossible) to find cable internet.

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1e9e202b849e73f9722a275b53c4a18a

on September 03, 2011
at 05:26 PM

Possibly somewhere near Flagstaff, AZ? Flagstaff is a Dark Sky city (because their economy relies partially on the Lowell Observatory). I was there for two and a half weeks earlier this year and it was rather quiet, rather dark, and I was able to walk everywhere I needed (including to major stores and the "natural foods" store that sold all sorts of meat including elk and ostrich). I think there is hunting nearby, so if you lived just outside of town it's a possibility that you could hunt in your backyard. FiOS is probably available. Flagstaff is a college town, so pretty much anything you need is readily available.

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

I used to live here. Its in southeast Utah - the four corners region. I've lived in al sorts of places in the US - this is by far the most remote and generally people don't give a crap what you hang in your backyard. There is no light pollution because there are no lights. Stargazing is excellent here. Mountains are close enough for elk and deer hunting. Rabbits are plentiful.

It's the desert so it's warm and very sunny most of the year. But watch out for those goathead thorns. They'll lodge right into your foot and make you mad that you decided to go barefoot. Sandals may be better here.

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E91fd339d760ed76cc72570a679ebf5a

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:22 PM

Australia. All the big cities are on the coast. The sky is BIG there.

Or outside Denver/Boulder.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on September 04, 2011
at 03:23 PM

Damn! That's the other side of the world!

E9959727c25c191ea9c4b614c012325d

on September 03, 2011
at 10:52 PM

very hard to get good internet outside the big cities though...

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on September 03, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Salmon Idaho would be fairly close.

3 hours drive south of Missoula Montana and three hours noth of Idaho Falls. Basically three hours from civilization. A town of 3000. Have your cows, chickens.

go barefoot 90% of the year

Snow would keep you from doing this...

walk/cycle to acquire everything I need

We useally stay 10 miles out of town. As you get closer it may see some light polution.

hunt big game in my own backyard. Not a problem.

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on September 03, 2011
at 04:43 PM

Maybe a rural outpost of Seattle, WA or Portland, OR. I'm not sure of the big game but you'd catch nice fish up there.

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5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

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on September 30, 2011
at 01:04 AM

Lots of places in South America like that but without the fast internet. That's why they have some of the biggest/best telescopes down there. Also lots of unadulterated beef and seafood.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on September 30, 2011
at 01:05 AM

Not sure about the hunting either...

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F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on September 29, 2011
at 10:11 PM

Sounds like Santa Fe, NM. Biking/walking might be a bit tough, but some neighborhoods are more conducive than others. As for big game? I don't know if they have elk, but there's deer and antelope. Maybe bear?

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3dc940ac9be21e45cf83207814c8cd46

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on September 04, 2011
at 02:29 PM

Saskatchewan, Canada, where hubby and I live, 80 acres, surrounded by forest, no close neighbours, brilliant night skies, a lot of wild animals, huge gardens, grass fed flesh foods, 2 cities (one small, one about 1/4 million) within 1.5 hours, and yes, high speed Internet.

386dde6de2e7f33429e9a0ac1ba8ce42

(263)

on September 05, 2011
at 05:34 PM

But the snow!!! Oh god the snow... ;)

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386dde6de2e7f33429e9a0ac1ba8ce42

(263)

on September 03, 2011
at 10:32 PM

The Rockies or the Canadian Badlands might work.

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:23 PM

Sounds like Hawaii to me. No big game of course, but lots of shark-fishing!

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on September 03, 2011
at 05:54 PM

Native Hawaiians don't appreciate anyone fishing for & eating sharks. I would strongly advise against it.

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(5639)

on September 03, 2011
at 05:47 PM

of course...you would need to take into consideration future drought projections. They're pretty scary, and have led me to consider buying land somewhere far north of here (here being NYC).

Medium avatar

(5639)

on September 03, 2011
at 05:58 PM

I guess there's lots of big tuna out there too, right?

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Th Olympic Peninsula meets most of these requirements, if you can stand the relative lack of sun. Areas near Sequim are good--in the rainshadow, but a very fertile valley. Close to Seattle & Victoria, B.C.

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22e9f1dabb279c620977403789aef7dd

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on September 03, 2011
at 04:50 PM

From what I have read, Northern Idaho/Eastern Washington seems to be nice. Many outdoor activities, but within driving distance to Spokane. You can still find acreage without the cost/taxes being too restrictive. Although the convenience will depend on which job you have (might have a long commute). Might get a little cold to be barefoot 90% of the year.

I was just out in Colorado (Boulder and Estes Park area) and was able to get a great view of the night sky. Quiet, with people biking all over. Again, might be hard to go barefoot 90% of the year, and the soil will most likely not be as good if you want to start a garden/raise chickens. It is very dry in the area.

With modern conveniences comes population growth. If you find a place that has all you want, except for the conveniences, that is your best bet. You can't have the conveniences without the population/traffic and vice versa. Sometimes all it takes is a high speed rail line between the rural place and a large city.

For something in the Northeast, I would mainly look towards Northern New England and Maine.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:40 PM

I live here - much too long of a winter for extended barefooting.

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on August 27, 2016
at 12:31 AM

 Hi The_Blanket, I am curious about where you are at at this point 2 years later. I, like you, have been considering intentional community for years now...and more recently am 100% on the Paleo lifestyle, with certain modifications (like no dairy). Are you still interested in creating a Paleo Intentional Community? I am also an Entrepreneur and would love to jibe with you over this. I believe you are in NYC (I lived there for 3 years back in the day). I have done plenty of research both about Intentional Communities AND locales for Paleo. Are you at all a Spiritual Person?

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on February 09, 2014
at 04:01 AM

I moved from California to Arkansas too, @Cyn. I'm in the Ouachita Mountains and can get bison, lamb, elk, and soy-free pastured chicken and chicken eggs at the farmer's market. Anyone who's skilled enough at bowhunting and fishing could potentially only eat wild meats -- venison, wild turkey, rainbow trout, bass, etc. There are also lots of pecans, hickory nuts, acorns, and muscadines available for free wild food in the forest. I also gather poke salet in the Spring, which is a wild green known to be a "blood cleanser" and "liver detoxifier." As long as you stay out of the suburbs and build your homestead just outside of down, you won't need blackout curtains or ear plugs to sleep at night (unless the sound of tree frogs and crickets bothers you). You'll want to invest in a telescope for looking at the astronomical wonders in the sky. I live about an hour away from the city, where there are museums, indie theaters, concerts, etc.

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on September 03, 2011
at 05:26 PM

I don't know if you can pull off going barefoot 90% of the time up there.

Fe783e04644862c30823614f31b9a996

(499)

on September 03, 2011
at 06:37 PM

this looks like a comment rather than an answer--who are you answering, Papa?

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