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What can we do more besides diet?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 25, 2010 at 7:03 PM

I guess almost everybody eating paleo, also has made some other ancestral inspired lifestyle changes. Things that come to mind and are discussed often are exercise, sunlight, sleep, shampoo, barefooting.

My question is about the other things, less talked about, but are still neolithic agents/habits/... and can influence our health negatively. Some of these things may not be really important versus the diet/exercise changes, but could be worth of knowing about, at least.

I will some up some of the things that come to mind, but please, don't shoot me if some of them are ridiculous. I ask out of ignorance... (can there be another reason to ask a question?)

I'm talking about things like:

-food in plastic containers

-wifi and other electric/electromagnetic/radiation stuff

-microwave ovens

-anti-sticking pans

-air quality indoors

-chemicals in cleaning products

-...

You probably know what I mean.

Are these kind of things really 'dangerous'? Is there convincing evidence? Can you add more similar things to the list?

By the way, I'm not talking about mismatch between now and the paleolithic on the psycho-social issues. Although that is also really interesting.

Thank you.

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on August 29, 2010
at 03:30 AM

I am not sure about the polygamy, I think it's more likely to be multiple monogamies - a series of monogamous relationships. I don't think we evolved to be bonded for life, but there is too much need in too many people to spend years in monogamous coupling.

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on August 27, 2010
at 10:26 PM

Id guess polygamy only works in societies in which there is no social hierarchy and resources are shared (so it would be more "shared" mates instead of one person accumulating mates)

Ae011d9f1c8654ea66854ca2a977c397

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on August 27, 2010
at 10:23 PM

I agree that polygamy is probably natural. But, Ive read that in civilizations that allow polygamy there is much more violence. This is because powerful men will accumulate multiple women and therefore a lot of men will be left out with no prospect of a mate. This gives incentive to steal, fight, murder, etc to get the resources for a mate. A woman who joins 9 other women splitting a man worth $1MM is better off then being with one man with no resources. This is the theory of what happens anyway.

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on August 27, 2010
at 06:06 PM

What air filter did you get?

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

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on August 27, 2010
at 05:19 PM

and sitting in chairs in general!

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on August 27, 2010
at 01:09 PM

Re: polygamy, I just got my copy of Sex At Dawn, a book that i believe is about how our modern-day emphasis on monogymy is kind of fighting our evolution. As you can see I havent read it yet.

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on August 27, 2010
at 07:04 AM

It's F.Lux and I'm loving it ;)

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9bc6f3df8db981f67ea1465411958c8d

on August 26, 2010
at 12:14 AM

Here's what I'd add to the list:

  • Water quality
  • Air quality
  • Living in too large communities (viruses, social isolation, ...)
  • Sitting on toilets instead of squatting for your elimination needs
  • Monogamy vs Polygamy
  • Working 9 to 5 versus much more leisure time
  • Losing our social roles (ex: men who don't learn to be men and who become socially uncomfortable and anxious with women)
  • Material based society
  • Broken education system
  • Unjust hierarchical system

Anyways, that's what comes to my mind right now, but there are endless ramifications to all of these. I think that, starting with agriculture, there's a lot of things that have gone wrong and striving to live a balanced life that cut through the noise of today's society should be everybody's goal.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on August 27, 2010
at 01:09 PM

Re: polygamy, I just got my copy of Sex At Dawn, a book that i believe is about how our modern-day emphasis on monogymy is kind of fighting our evolution. As you can see I havent read it yet.

Ae011d9f1c8654ea66854ca2a977c397

(1165)

on August 27, 2010
at 10:23 PM

I agree that polygamy is probably natural. But, Ive read that in civilizations that allow polygamy there is much more violence. This is because powerful men will accumulate multiple women and therefore a lot of men will be left out with no prospect of a mate. This gives incentive to steal, fight, murder, etc to get the resources for a mate. A woman who joins 9 other women splitting a man worth $1MM is better off then being with one man with no resources. This is the theory of what happens anyway.

Ae011d9f1c8654ea66854ca2a977c397

(1165)

on August 27, 2010
at 10:26 PM

Id guess polygamy only works in societies in which there is no social hierarchy and resources are shared (so it would be more "shared" mates instead of one person accumulating mates)

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on August 27, 2010
at 05:19 PM

and sitting in chairs in general!

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on August 29, 2010
at 03:30 AM

I am not sure about the polygamy, I think it's more likely to be multiple monogamies - a series of monogamous relationships. I don't think we evolved to be bonded for life, but there is too much need in too many people to spend years in monogamous coupling.

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on August 25, 2010
at 08:30 PM

I'd add artificial light. Light has a profound impact on our bodies. One aspect of modern life that is very different from our ancestors is hours of post dusk time bathing in artifical light.

Quite aside from the reduction in sleep (which you mentioned in the question), we ignore the effect of the light bulb. I recall reading a book by Professor Dement I think it was, and he recommended sleeping in rooms with zero artificial light, as your body was negatively impacted by it. Been some discussion on here before about the spectrum we get from bulbs, so I won't repeat here.

I wouldn't be surprised if that fresh feeling you get when you go camping for a week is in part due to reduced artificial light.

Never been totally sure that freezing food doesn't alter it somehow either. Yes it's preserved, but does it have no impact at all?

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on August 26, 2010
at 04:26 AM

I was reading some info recently about how when the food companies freeze veggies, they first spray em with chemicals so they keep their color bright. So I am not a big fan of frozen food if it was frozen by others instead of me.

For other things, I find that many things can be done that don't require much effort. Using all natural soap made of saponified oils is fairly easy. It only takes a bit of effort to find the initial source. Then it works like soap and smells great! Same goes for using pine tree oil for cleaning instead of harsh stinky chemicals. Pine is cheap, smells great, and works great. WHy use a stinky expensive chemical when using pine is just as easy (plus it doesn't give my mother an asthma attack)?

Sure, it's gonna be hard to live without a computer and to dodge wifi signals, but there are lots of other things that are easy to do and can help just as much. All you have to do is break out of mainstream thinking for a bit and then you can start to see it.

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on August 27, 2010
at 06:49 AM

Sleep and Stress would be the two biggest IMO, followed by Water and Air Quality.

I have made progress on all of these:

Sleep: I implemented sleep hygiene such as only being in bed/bedroom to sleep, avoiding as much as possible bright lights and stimulants later in the day, using that software program that alters the colour of your monitor (forget name), and a few other random tips and tricks

Stress: I am naturally a stress-free person but I now have a greater recognition of chronic stress vs acute intermittent stress, and the importance of recovery after workouts, etc

Water: I purchased a water filter so most h2o consumed is filtered and free of contaminants

Air: I bought a home air filter. Was very expensive but I thought of it as an investment; they say the typically indoor pollution is worse than outdoor due to inorganic chemicals in paint, carpets, surface materials, etc.

3eafb88d6a6d762fcfa8ed4eb0576260

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on August 27, 2010
at 06:06 PM

What air filter did you get?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on August 27, 2010
at 07:04 AM

It's F.Lux and I'm loving it ;)

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8287c6ddae0d78eae0a09fdd5999617c

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on August 26, 2010
at 02:27 AM

Get more exercise, get some sun and fresh air, and filter your tap water.

There is no reason to drink water straight from the tap unfiltered (if you avoid bottled water for environmental reasons) unless you know it is safe. My city has one of the worst quality tap water in America. There could be many contaminants but the main thing you have to worry about is toxic heavy metals. Drinking that is a lot different than what people would drink in the Paleolithic. Sometimes the contamination is blamed on natural causes because they're digging down into deep underground wells for the tap water where the toxic minerals are. Sometimes it's the pipes, and of course there is all the man-made stuff that gets in, or is put there on purpose like chlorine and flouride. I heard that chlorine evaporates in a few minutes from the water though, but everything else stays there.

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on August 25, 2010
at 08:45 PM

Shoes.

Paleo lead me to a lot of good information about barefoot running, etc.

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