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Do you live self-paced and free?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created December 05, 2011 at 8:14 PM

For me the paleo-philosophy is far more than about nutrition.

It's about how we live our lifes - free, self-paced or inside a cage of "civilized" bondages.

Somehow during the progression of civlisation the individual human being lost his power to invisible forces like governments, corporations and laws. At the end of their lives most people haven't experienced one day in freedom, one fullfilling day in joy and happiness.

We are often nothing more than gears in a big machine, most of us are forced to work only to ensure our daily existence - food and shelter.

We aren't supposed to live like that. We are vibrant and powerful beings, capable of living the life we love.

We need purpose, real connections and emotional safety. We are not wired to live in constant struggle and experience this chronic stress level.

Do you (or try to) live like you deserve or is food and nutrition the only thing which comes to your mind when thinking about "paleo"?

Evolutionary principles show us that native tribes are not only healthy because of their diets but also because of their whole way of life. Emotional bondings, natural childbirth and child rearing, connection to nature, close friendships, exercise, freedom to choose between different activities, etc. - all these things matter!

Isn't nutrition the first step to a greater understanding of our life, a way to ensure not only physical but also mental health in order to find happiness in life?

So, again, what do you think about this and how do you (if you do) implement these principles into your life?

In short, are you happy?

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on December 07, 2011
at 02:48 AM

very true........

5d5732f693afb35fa8755b032e75b6d6

on December 06, 2011
at 08:17 PM

It's not just one or the other. There are lots of ways to live.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 06, 2011
at 08:14 PM

What makes me happy is seratonin reuptake inhibitors!

A03f0d03067a43c61786481d91e5d3a0

(1078)

on December 06, 2011
at 03:13 PM

I agree that there is a lot of room between the two. But it is not a question of freedom. Everyone - or almost everyone - here is free to choose differently. (If we were talking about poor people in some poor country, it would be a different story.) A paleo framework is not particularly useful in optimizing between time spent at work, with friends and with family. All that is needed is common sense.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on December 06, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I didn't take the question the same way you did. I think there is a lot of room between completely reverting back to a hunter/gatherer lifestyle and working 60+ hours a week, spending no time with family and friends, spending no time on hobbies/leisure activities, spending no time in nature, etc. I saw the question as asking whether or not adjusting some of these things are part of your paleo lifestyle--or if you just think about it when you are procuring/preparing food.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

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on December 06, 2011
at 01:14 PM

Camping and hunting tends to give you an idea of what paleo-manhood was all about... you see things you could never see otherwise. Things like sight, fire, water, smell/scent, sunrise/sunset are so much more important than in today's "real life".

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on December 06, 2011
at 11:57 AM

I don't think self-censorship is always a bad thing, sage. It depends a lot on the reasons for doing it. I'm happy to share my knowledge and opinions here on PH, but there would be nothing productive about me sharing my life choices only to have them torn down by others. I get enough of that in the "real world" every time someone new asks me the inevitable (but dreaded) question, "What do you do?". Don't misunderstand; I love my life. There is nothing else I'd rather be doing right now. But hearing the criticisms is wearing. Sometimes saying nothing at all *is* the best choice.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on December 06, 2011
at 06:15 AM

ya, i suppose i could choose to pack it all in, put it in my back pack and roam at will. i did that at 15; was a "street kid" and in spite of the constant danger teenaged females encounter, it was oddly comforting to commune with the other runaways who too were just trying to survive.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on December 06, 2011
at 06:06 AM

you self censor too :( we need a support group...

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 06, 2011
at 02:14 AM

Yeah....this. But I do recognize all these are my choices. I don't HAVE to conform in any of these manners. I choose to.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 06, 2011
at 12:36 AM

good question...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on December 06, 2011
at 12:22 AM

Theirs alot of stuff on PH that you can correct, Brad. Go crazy!

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:43 PM

So what if people have to take antidepressants, or if they have financial pressures? You seem to be defining "happiness" as "the absence of problems." That's just a fallacy. Some of the happiest people I know have the biggest life problems. It's about attitude, not surface.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on December 05, 2011
at 11:42 PM

So what if people have to take antidepressants, or if they have financial pressures? You seems to be defining "happiness" as "the absence of problems." That's just a fallacy. Some of the happiest people I know have the biggest life problems. It's about attitude, not surface.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on December 05, 2011
at 11:40 PM

Me happy. Oh, yes.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:23 PM

I agree, Kewpie -- I think the modern high-paced, big-race lifestyle is absolutely deleterious to happiness and health and *balance*.

5cbd326041fead0c1ec71fbd106ef083

on December 05, 2011
at 10:47 PM

Well, I'M happy! Really. Not in denial, not pretending. I'm just happy. Have a good family, doing what I want to be doing, waking up most days and thinking, "Yep, I think I'll get up and get going!" But I'm not one of those constantly laughing, bubbly people...although that doesn't mean I'm not happy! I'm more along the lines of fun and pleasant, I guess.

Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on December 05, 2011
at 09:45 PM

@Brad, you can edit someone else's post for things like the wrong there, their or they're if you so choose! I think 100 edits gets a you a shiny badge...

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on December 05, 2011
at 09:20 PM

so be happy cause if you are not suffering you are dead :)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 05, 2011
at 08:51 PM

It's the first of the four noble truths: "All existence is suffering." Okay, it's over the top hyperbole, but how many really happy people do you know?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 05, 2011
at 08:46 PM

Brad is not happy.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

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on December 05, 2011
at 08:42 PM

it's only a assumption based on observation. For me it seems more true than the theory that most people are actually happy. More than 30-50% of the people in western societys are on medications for mental problems, depression is spreading, financial pressure on the rise...

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:41 PM

's only a assumption based on observation. For me it seems more true than the theory that most people are actually happy. More than 30-50% of the people in western societys are on medications for mental problems, depression is spreading, financial pressure on the rise...

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:37 PM

It's only a assumption based on observation. For me it seems more true than the theory that most people are actually happy. More than 30-50% of the people are on medications for mental disorders, depression is spreading, financial pressure on the rise...

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:34 PM

It's only a assumption based on observation. For me it seems more true than the theory that most people are actually happy.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:34 PM

The plural possessive is "their," not "there."

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

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on December 05, 2011
at 08:27 PM

I wish you all the best for the future. Nice that you can resist the social pressure that only people who "work" are valuable. Often, accumulation of material commodities is only a sign of inner emptiness...

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:21 PM

I do. I made a deliberate choice to live on Social Security (I retired early because of chronic health issues but later became healthy enough to work) rather than work part-time.

I have less money to live on but I also have much less stress.
I have time to walk with my dogs, make home-made fermented foods and cook from scratch.
I go to sleep when I feel like it and wake up gradually as the sun rises.
I don't have to buy clothes/equipment for a job, so my cost of living is lower

It's ironic that I'm finally feeling really strong and healthy, for the first time in 20+ years, and I'm choosing health and well-being over affluence.

:O downright un-American!

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:27 PM

I wish you all the best for the future. Nice that you can resist the social pressure that only people who "work" are valuable. Often, accumulation of material commodities is only a sign of inner emptiness...

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13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on December 05, 2011
at 10:38 PM

I really like this question, but found myself deleting my original answer before I posted it. The way I spend my days has been so harshly judged by others recently that I am wary of opening myself up to more criticism about my life choices.

However, I will say that I think you are absolutely right that many people overstress themselves in pursuit of material gains beyond what they really need even to have a comfortable existence. I see so many friends live their entire lives in a race with the neighbors to have bigger, better, faster, more--while their family ties and interpersonal relationships crumble and fall apart around them. Their mental and physical health suffers, as well. I don't think we were meant to live that way.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on December 05, 2011
at 11:23 PM

I agree, Kewpie -- I think the modern high-paced, big-race lifestyle is absolutely deleterious to happiness and health and *balance*.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on December 06, 2011
at 11:57 AM

I don't think self-censorship is always a bad thing, sage. It depends a lot on the reasons for doing it. I'm happy to share my knowledge and opinions here on PH, but there would be nothing productive about me sharing my life choices only to have them torn down by others. I get enough of that in the "real world" every time someone new asks me the inevitable (but dreaded) question, "What do you do?". Don't misunderstand; I love my life. There is nothing else I'd rather be doing right now. But hearing the criticisms is wearing. Sometimes saying nothing at all *is* the best choice.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on December 06, 2011
at 06:06 AM

you self censor too :( we need a support group...

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on December 05, 2011
at 09:40 PM

i do not.

i have a job. i pay taxes. i own an alarm clock and i use it.

my town won't let me keep hens and buffalos in my yard.

i can walk around topless, but i gotta keep my pants on.

even here on Paleohacks i find the need to self censor

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on December 06, 2011
at 06:15 AM

ya, i suppose i could choose to pack it all in, put it in my back pack and roam at will. i did that at 15; was a "street kid" and in spite of the constant danger teenaged females encounter, it was oddly comforting to commune with the other runaways who too were just trying to survive.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on December 06, 2011
at 02:14 AM

Yeah....this. But I do recognize all these are my choices. I don't HAVE to conform in any of these manners. I choose to.

5d5732f693afb35fa8755b032e75b6d6

on December 06, 2011
at 08:17 PM

It's not just one or the other. There are lots of ways to live.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on December 07, 2011
at 02:48 AM

very true........

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Ae274412bcc0c2c2c312c61810280ef8

on December 06, 2011
at 04:19 AM

Paleo resonates with me. I originally thought, it was kind of a quacky thing to do. However, 6 months have passed. I spent 14 days (intermittently over a 10 week period) in the woods hunting. No phone, no computer. Me, myself and/or family and big, beautiful, rugged mountains. I am fortunate to be in Montana to have access to solitude in minutes and acquiring a hunting license is fairly simple and there is an abundance of game. Grouse, deer, antelope, elk, geese, ducks etc... This year 7 grouse and 2 deer. Next year, I will try my hand at Turkey hunting as well. I grew up hunting and fishing. It had been almost 15 years since i hunted an animal. It has been the most exhilirating thing besides the birth of my children that I have experienced. By the nature of the activity I am forced to live in the moment. To rely on my sight, my hearing and my sense of smell and of course my body's physical endurance. There is a peace away from civilization, raw and untouched. I treasure these moments and reflect on them often.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on December 06, 2011
at 01:14 PM

Camping and hunting tends to give you an idea of what paleo-manhood was all about... you see things you could never see otherwise. Things like sight, fire, water, smell/scent, sunrise/sunset are so much more important than in today's "real life".

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Ed983a42344945b1ff70fd9597a23493

on December 05, 2011
at 09:59 PM

I like this question...the longer I live, the closer I get to feeling like I'm the designer of my own life without societal, familial, etc. pressures dictating the choices I make for my life. When I let go of even my own ideals and live in the moment, I am happy...regardless of commitments I may have to others, or compromises I may be in the process of making...it may sound cliche', but when I am fully present, there is nothing to keep me from happiness...this is fully in alignment for me with what I think of as a Paleo lifestyle, all encompassing health...that is what I feel like I strive for, at first it was a lot more about my body's physical reality, but has grown to include all levels of who I am, and is a huge component of my spiritual path...in short, since adopting this way of eating, I have been really growing into who I am, who I was meant to be, but had been stunted by physical, emotional, sexual and spiritual abuse...

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 06, 2011
at 12:40 AM

When I retired from work seven years ago due to totally wrecked knees (bow-legged) that didn't allow me to do my job, we travelled to Mexico to spend the winter in our motorhome. The minute we crossed the Mexican border my watch died.

I took that to mean that I didn't need to wear one anymore because now I wasn't late for anything. I can tell reasonably close from the sun in the sky what time it is. I have an uncanny ability to know when happy hour has started, my stomach lets me know when I should go prepare food, and when it is dark it is time to wind down.

I can be as busy or as lazy as I want any given day. Yesterday and today I worked as a volunteer at a spay/neuter clinic. Tomorrow I will catch up on my laundry and plant some tomato seeds and then figure out the rest of the day. I will probably work in the yard raking dirt and sand off the walkways and I may repair a few sections of bricks.

I always try to have a bit of a garden here in the sandy soil, but fight a constant battle with chickens, dogs, iguanas, land crabs, and leaf-cutter ants. Last year I managed to grow spaghetti squash and topsey-turvey tomatoes (chickens couldn't reach them!).

Like Nance, we live off less and enjoy it more. And we are glad that we came across the Paleo world and became aware that the SAD diet is not good, because we will likely feel better longer.

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A03f0d03067a43c61786481d91e5d3a0

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on December 06, 2011
at 01:36 PM

Projecting a bit much? Rousseau or perhaps Thoreau might love your assumption that noble savages lead happy lives. But do they? Do they get bored of the simplicity of their existence? Would they be better off if they had a whole city full of people in which to find compatible friends/mates etc? I really don't know. But I'm pretty sure if you took a bunch of Paleohackers and dumped them with some tribe in the middle of the Amazon many would try their best to escape.

Most people here on Paleohacks have the freedom to choose an alternative lifestyle. There is no shortage of freedom. But we are not in the paleolithic, and most of us do not wish to return to it. Of course we wish to pick up the benefits of close-knit communities, low-stress work, good health, etc. But most of us here are picking and choosing what's right for us, and a lot of the time this simply isn't going to be the paleo choice. Examples: would grok have read books? Are you prepared to go without reading for the rest of your life? I would add, the idea of living in a small town without anonymity sounds pretty hellish to me, especially if my parents were there.

most of us are forced to work only to ensure our daily existence - food and shelter.

Ironically, perhaps, this actually describes most hunter-gatherers. But it most certainly does not describe any one of us.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on December 06, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I didn't take the question the same way you did. I think there is a lot of room between completely reverting back to a hunter/gatherer lifestyle and working 60+ hours a week, spending no time with family and friends, spending no time on hobbies/leisure activities, spending no time in nature, etc. I saw the question as asking whether or not adjusting some of these things are part of your paleo lifestyle--or if you just think about it when you are procuring/preparing food.

A03f0d03067a43c61786481d91e5d3a0

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on December 06, 2011
at 03:13 PM

I agree that there is a lot of room between the two. But it is not a question of freedom. Everyone - or almost everyone - here is free to choose differently. (If we were talking about poor people in some poor country, it would be a different story.) A paleo framework is not particularly useful in optimizing between time spent at work, with friends and with family. All that is needed is common sense.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on December 06, 2011
at 12:58 AM

Yes. Making choices that work for us has been the key.

No debts, no mortgage (we own a house), no car-payments...

We live simply and both of us work part-time doing work we love.

We live in a beautiful place with a growing community of Primal friends with similar values.

We chose to live in walking distance of everything we need.

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775bc83a7c54975e77a8500e065a24c3

on December 05, 2011
at 09:29 PM

First, I like your question. I am not entirely happy, but I do feel better as my health improves. I have developed interests in paleo philosophy and spiritual principles as a result of my dietary and exercise changes. It seems I am becoming less interested in materialism and commercialism. I am finding myself more attracted to simplicity and minimalism. I am happiest when I'm exercising, spending quality time with family/friends, reading and learning, meditating and in a positve and loving relationship with a God of my understanding (in no particular order).

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Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on December 05, 2011
at 08:33 PM

"At the end of their lives most people haven't experienced one day in freedom, one fullfilling day in joy and happiness."

This seem like a pretty gross generalization to me. It's hard to see how anyone could have any basis for making any such judgement about "most people." How would you know?

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 06, 2011
at 08:14 PM

What makes me happy is seratonin reuptake inhibitors!

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:34 PM

It's only a assumption based on observation. For me it seems more true than the theory that most people are actually happy.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:51 PM

It's the first of the four noble truths: "All existence is suffering." Okay, it's over the top hyperbole, but how many really happy people do you know?

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:42 PM

it's only a assumption based on observation. For me it seems more true than the theory that most people are actually happy. More than 30-50% of the people in western societys are on medications for mental problems, depression is spreading, financial pressure on the rise...

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on December 05, 2011
at 11:42 PM

So what if people have to take antidepressants, or if they have financial pressures? You seems to be defining "happiness" as "the absence of problems." That's just a fallacy. Some of the happiest people I know have the biggest life problems. It's about attitude, not surface.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on December 05, 2011
at 11:43 PM

So what if people have to take antidepressants, or if they have financial pressures? You seem to be defining "happiness" as "the absence of problems." That's just a fallacy. Some of the happiest people I know have the biggest life problems. It's about attitude, not surface.

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:41 PM

's only a assumption based on observation. For me it seems more true than the theory that most people are actually happy. More than 30-50% of the people in western societys are on medications for mental problems, depression is spreading, financial pressure on the rise...

5cbd326041fead0c1ec71fbd106ef083

on December 05, 2011
at 10:47 PM

Well, I'M happy! Really. Not in denial, not pretending. I'm just happy. Have a good family, doing what I want to be doing, waking up most days and thinking, "Yep, I think I'll get up and get going!" But I'm not one of those constantly laughing, bubbly people...although that doesn't mean I'm not happy! I'm more along the lines of fun and pleasant, I guess.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on December 05, 2011
at 09:20 PM

so be happy cause if you are not suffering you are dead :)

Ec7cb2a7a68655954a01f03e95be1383

(1453)

on December 05, 2011
at 08:37 PM

It's only a assumption based on observation. For me it seems more true than the theory that most people are actually happy. More than 30-50% of the people are on medications for mental disorders, depression is spreading, financial pressure on the rise...

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on December 06, 2011
at 11:24 AM

My motto in life is "Be Useful", which I find produces an attitude of service and keeps me other-focused and prevents me from being so preoccupied with myself. But it does produce thinking about nutrition and fitness as I see these as an investment for the future not only for myself but for my future wife and family. I keep asking myself hourly "How can I be most useful here?" and the majority of the time it points towards self-sacrifice in some area.

In terms of happiness: I do think that somewhere along the way we have come to believe that life is about maximising happiness. The problem is though that I think in the most part we get the direction and means wrong. The default belief is about getting what we can out of life right now. This translates into using credit, using relationships and investment in retirement. We seem to correlate happiness with self-indulgence, and our self-indulgence is justified by our thinking that we are owed it.

I have been very blessed actually as from 2003 - 2010 due to very poor choices in 2000, I had to pay back around ??20,000.00 of debt. In 2011 I got promoted at work which pushed my salary up to around a quarter more a month, and within a space of 2 months I finally finished paying off the last of my debt. For 7+ years due to the debt payments and regular salary I had learnt to live to a certain standard, now I not only had no debt and thus could use the payments for myself, but I also had a very large increase in my monthly salary.

Within a few weeks I made one of the hardest but best decisions that I ever could, and decided that I would not increase my living standard but rather use and sow this money somewhere else. Since the beginning of 2011, I have with God's help now been part of building a school, hiring three teachers, planting 200 trees (used as further sustainable funding for the project) and paying nursing college fees for my friend's daughter in Myanmar (Burma).

What I have found personally is that living simply is not only about reducing stress and making things easier for myself, but more so freeing up resources which can then be used elsewhere. We all believe that life is about maximising happiness, yet maybe the point is that we are supposed to be maximising happiness for others, not ourselves in ourselves. Though, and this is the magnificence of it all, that I have found and that the more I invest in others the more Jesus gets the glory and I get the joy and thus maximise my happiness in the truest sense of the word.

An increase in my means did not come about to increase my standard of living, but rather to increase the standard of my giving. And this beautifully produced the greatest happiness of all, that is my happiness in God himself.

Don't Waste Your Life is a short video clip which pretty much sums up this entire post.

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Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on December 05, 2011
at 11:49 PM

It's an ambition to have more freedom and flexibility as I'm absolutely convinced it would suit me better, however I am almost always happy with my current lifestyle these days.

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