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Is the Leptin Rx the best way ?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 18, 2012 at 5:44 PM

I have read Paleo Solution and It Starts With Food, both of which talk about leptin and other hormones. Specifically, these books claim that following their respective diets will help get these hormones back in balance.

Then Jack Kruse comes along and says to reset leptin, follow his Leptin Rx, which it seems many people have had great success with.

I did a whole30 and definitely felt like my leptin was coming into balance at the end (having feelings of satiety and no desire for snacking, things I have rarely ever felt before).

What I am wondering though is if just following a basic paleo template is enough for a full reset or if its possible that I f'ed my system up so much (being obese for years and lots of yo-yo dieting) that the Leptin Rx would give me results that I can't achieve otherwise.

Thanks in advance for any insights you can share! - Vossman

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

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on September 09, 2013
at 01:27 PM

http://www.jackkruse.com/brain-gut-6-epi-paleo-rx/ right there. I think you should also eat according to your season and CT is always great.

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on October 22, 2012
at 06:23 PM

No, I'm implying that some people find IF effective for fat loss, which is why most people try the Leptin RX. I agree with August's answer, it is an extreme solution which may be effective in extreme cases. If you are good and not hungry on whole30 or any other basic paleo template, then why bother with Jack Kruse. He tends to get the people for whom just being paleo or primal isn't enough.

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on October 18, 2012
at 08:51 PM

That's the plan either way

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on October 18, 2012
at 08:07 PM

Or you could do low-carb. I'm actually trying to make my leptin/ghrelin suck more because of how un-hungry I am sometimes and sometimes I'll eat only one meal a day and feel great, so I have to force down another meal.

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Makes sense. Thanks!

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Good general advice. I will be eating clean regardless, so I may hold off on the Leptin Rx and see what kind of results I have with a a month or two more of just this.

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:40 PM

Still giggling at "used car salesman's smarm and Disneyland shine."

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:40 PM

Thanks for the detailed response and sharing your experiences. The added perspective is a big help

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on October 18, 2012
at 06:04 PM

You are correct, but its the schedule and other nuances that are supposed to make the difference. I down voted you because your answer really adds nothing to the conversation.

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at 06:02 PM

It's hard to say what works best for me when I haven't done the Leptin Rx. I am looking for any type of scientific reasoning as to why the Leptin Rx would be the optimal choice. It is a 6-8 week commitment. While I am not opposed to making the commitment, I'd rather not if there is no real added benefit. -- Also, are you implying that IF can help reset leptin?

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:19 PM

Eating 50g protein for breakfast is excessive and it breaks the 'if you aren't hungry, don't eat' rule.

Jack's stuff is basically low carb paleo with a used car salesman's smarm and Disneyland shine.

In other words, he's got some interesting ideas, but questionable presentation.

Many people before him have suggested a high protein breakfast, but in order to re-brand it, he went extreme.
Have a normal (for you) sized portion of bacon and eggs, if you are hungry, and you'll get enough protein to help normalize your leptin. If you aren't hungry, then your leptin doesn't need to be reset.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:40 PM

Still giggling at "used car salesman's smarm and Disneyland shine."

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Makes sense. Thanks!

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I think Kruse just takes paleo to another level, further optimised for humans. My two cents, last month or so I have been eating meat and veggies (often wild caught salmon) for the majority of my meals with some sweet potato after my main workout of the day, few pieces of fruit on especially crazy days. Coming from binge eating tendencies, I have to force myself to eat at the moment due to no desire to snack, eat at all. Crazy for me, but stick with some good clean eating (in any form) and give your body a chance to work the way it is supposed too.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Good general advice. I will be eating clean regardless, so I may hold off on the Leptin Rx and see what kind of results I have with a a month or two more of just this.

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on October 18, 2012
at 06:50 PM

This is what my experience has been. I am not insinuating that this is a paleo template, just what I was doing and from what I read here and in other places what many others seem to do as well. I was IFing every day for several months (keeping the eating window to 6 hrs over lunch / dinner and just drinking water or bulletproof coffee the remainder of the time) and it did slow my metabolism to the point where I stopped losing weight and began to experience other issues indicative of hormonal imbalance. I assume this was because I adapted over time to the lowered caloric intake by overdoing it with the fasting and not eating enough.

The biggest things that helped to get things restarted were:

  • Consistent, quality sleep: 8.5-9 hrs per night. Before this I was in the 7-hour neighborhood. I have a 5 year old so most nights I put her to bed and then go to sleep myself afterward. This is usually by 9PM which works well because I get up by 6AM so I can get in some exercise prior to going to work. I have also read information from several sources that sleep before midnight is more beneficial than sleep after which I can certainly attest to since doing this.

  • Eating breakfast: Forcing down 50g or more of protein within 30 minutes of waking is not right for me and I have never been a big breakfast eater. After years of not eating breakfast I do eat a breakfast almost every day now though, even if it is a shake after exercise. When I have time I eat a solid meal but I make sure to get in at least something 30 to 60 minutes post-workout. I try to keep any liquid calories post-workout only mostly due to time constraints, convenience, and suppressed appetite post-exercise. Otherwise, ill have something like a couple hard-boiled eggs, piece of fruit, and a little almond butter.

  • Not IFing every day: now I do it only once a week and have only black coffee during the fasting window. Bulletproof coffee produced some results at the beginning but all that fat every day right after getting up was not working for me in terms of fat loss. I did maintain bodyfat percentage and not gain any while doing it and it did help with satiety holding me through to lunch when I was IFing daily but ultimately I think I adapted to that pretty quickly as well and it was hindering fat loss.

Within a week of making these changes I started dropping bodyfat again after a 7 or 8 week plateau, not as radical as what Kruse recommends for a reset but enough to get things going in the right direction. You can take recommendations from everywhere and experiment with them so they work for you without following to the letter. Best of luck.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:40 PM

Thanks for the detailed response and sharing your experiences. The added perspective is a big help

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on October 18, 2012
at 05:56 PM

What's best is what works for you. I personally found it difficult to eat as big a breakfast as he recommends so quickly after rising. But I can't say that I have figured anything out since I am still fat.

You can try it anyway, since it is still paleo/primal. Other people have good success with IF, which is antithetical to the Leptin Rx.

2e3477a85563d4b7159814d5f4ea57d3

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on October 18, 2012
at 06:02 PM

It's hard to say what works best for me when I haven't done the Leptin Rx. I am looking for any type of scientific reasoning as to why the Leptin Rx would be the optimal choice. It is a 6-8 week commitment. While I am not opposed to making the commitment, I'd rather not if there is no real added benefit. -- Also, are you implying that IF can help reset leptin?

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on October 22, 2012
at 06:23 PM

No, I'm implying that some people find IF effective for fat loss, which is why most people try the Leptin RX. I agree with August's answer, it is an extreme solution which may be effective in extreme cases. If you are good and not hungry on whole30 or any other basic paleo template, then why bother with Jack Kruse. He tends to get the people for whom just being paleo or primal isn't enough.

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on September 09, 2013
at 10:29 AM

I really want to give Leptin Rx a try because of my suspicions on needing a Leptin reset. I really don't see 50g of Protein being a big deal in the morning. 4 or 5 eggs and some bacon will take care of that.

I would like to see an "allowed" foods list if anybody has more information. Yes, I'm trying to avoid purchasing the book for right now. I know that nightshade veggies are forbidden so I need some guidance there.

Anybody else out there that has tried Leptin Rx? Your thoughts and experience will be valued.

Thanks

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0de677a4427eb36557fc57e0413adcc8

on September 09, 2013
at 10:28 AM

I really want to give Leptin Rx a try because of my suspicions on needing a Leptin reset.

I really don't see 50g of Protein being a big deal in the morning. 4 or 5 eggs and some bacon will take care of that.

I would like to see an "allowed" foods list if anybody has more information. Yes, I'm trying to avoid purchasing the book for right now. I know that nightshade veggies are forbidden so I need some guidance there.

Anybody else out there that has tried Leptin Rx? Your thoughts and experience will be valued.

Thanks

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on September 09, 2013
at 01:27 PM

http://www.jackkruse.com/brain-gut-6-epi-paleo-rx/ right there. I think you should also eat according to your season and CT is always great.

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on October 18, 2012
at 05:50 PM

It sounds to me reading what little I have of Kruse that his recommendations are basically to add a schedule to the basic paleo template.

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on October 18, 2012
at 06:04 PM

You are correct, but its the schedule and other nuances that are supposed to make the difference. I down voted you because your answer really adds nothing to the conversation.

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