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Is anyone else having success or failure combining the Leptin Reset with a paleo diet and HCG?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 23, 2011 at 1:45 PM

I am thrilled to have learned about hcg and the leptin reset. I have lost 50 pounds on two rounds of hcg since the first of the year. This was my 2011 new year's goal and I am so excited to have finally met my goal this year! On round 1 hcg phase 3 I maintained, but was soooo hungry and had to do several steak days. I ate and ate and finally succumbed to too many starches and started inching slowly back up.

I promptly went back on hcg and during a very tough second round, I read as much as I could about mastering leptin and Dr Kruse's info on Mark's Daily Apple. In round 2 phase 3 I have applied the 5 rules and adopted a Paleo diet. This phase 3 has been a breeze. Today I am 15 days into phase 3 and am 4 pounds below my lowest hcg weight. I eat a BAB of approx 40-50 gr of protein, a salad with protein at lunch and veges and protein at dinner if I am hungry. I have a glass of wine once in a while but try to eat a little extra fat with that meal. The biggy for me was no snacking. I am learning that it's all about our blood sugar and insulin. No sweetner between meals. Because of the leptin reset rules, I automatically am drinking less coffee, using no cream or sweetner (which I previously craved), eating no sweets or starches (yet), the cravings are gone, sleep great, wake up early and refreshed... just waiting for leptin reset. On weekdays 3 meals works best for me, on weekends 2 meals can work unless we decide on dinner out at the last minute! Loving the hcg (despite the naysayers) and loving the leptin reset. Thanks Dr Kruse for sharing good information with those of us trying really hard to get healthy.

I am passing Dr Kruse's info and website on to my hcg clinic nurse who is now immersed in reading! Helping pass the word one person at a time. Is anyone else loving the leptin reset with HCG?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Kamal your opinion does not trump anyone else's here. But often you lose that. That is what some people are percieving. People want to talk about this and you dont. That is clear. So move on to another thread and let this one die or live based upon the contributions of the people who are interested in the hacking.

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on November 06, 2011
at 04:41 AM

what mammal, caveman or baby ever counted calories? who counted calories before 1950? we all can not only count but alot of us have math PhD's now lol yet we're fatter than ever. do you count how many breathes you take everyday? yes you can control it, but your brain can also autopilot. i believe the analogy holds for eating

Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

(1074)

on November 06, 2011
at 04:40 AM

i simply believe eating less, larger meals > a meal every 2-3hrs which sucks for your metabolism, anabolism and hormone chemistry. however, i do not believe Quilt's breakfast strategy is that essential.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 27, 2011
at 02:43 AM

http://jackkruse.com/how-does-the-leptin-rx-work/

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 26, 2011
at 02:00 AM

@maj, please use "not very smart" instead. I would hate to see you hammered.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 07:25 AM

@A-vind: just sent you an email. Looks like we're in agreement.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 07:07 AM

@Aravind: you are the master of checking your own "recent" tab! I posted this and thought: well, he may not ever see it anyway .... Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't have ascribed the CW notion of CICO to you, but you have to admit that you did ascribe defiance of physics to Cody ....

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 25, 2011
at 05:25 AM

@majkinetor & @Quilt ---- (*facepalm) the ironic thing is that I am giving The Quilt solid advice b/c I WANT HIS IDEAS TO GET OUT & BE TALKED ABOUT. Not b/c I necessarily agree with them -- but I think his overall direction is good. Being stubborn and pretending that marketing doesn't matter b/c Quilt is somehow more pure/better than anyone else is profoundly immature.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 25, 2011
at 05:21 AM

@majkinetor -- watch your language i.e. "that's stupid" --- next time I see stuff like that -- I am dropping the hammer on you.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 25, 2011
at 02:08 AM

@WCC - I don't subscribe to the CW notion of CICO at all, and I was not arguing for it at all. As I wrote to Cody - "rhetorical tautology is not actionable absent other dietary interventions"

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:12 AM

The dogma also includes the following: consciously trying to limit calorie intake and increasing calorie expenditure will of necessity lead to weight loss. That statement, when the terms within it are understood as they normally are, is also definitively incorrect. (Again, read closely.)

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:09 AM

@Aravind, no one is denying physics. Cody writes "I KNOW that the calories in/calories out dogma is pure fantasy. People who still believe in calories in/calories out are lacking real world experience with obesity. If it were THAT FUCKING SIMPLE, NO ONE WOULD BE OBESE." When he uses the term "calories in/calories out dogma" he's referring to the mistake that most people make, which is thinking the following: the *only* way to lose weight is to consciously try to limit calorie intake and increase calorie expenditure. That statement, at least, is definitively incorrect. (Read it closely.)

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:01 AM

@Matthew, this is the longest comment thread I've ever seen on PH. Which doesn't mean that it is in fact the longest, but, you know, there's a high probability.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on October 24, 2011
at 11:32 PM

yes. my opinion. and i voted to close. if you disagree with my opinion, youre more than welcome to vote to reopen.

F3920b85be76a5d8cf466d805bfb99e4

(638)

on October 24, 2011
at 09:21 PM

operative word = "opinion". My (ex) Dr. thought the Paleo diet was too extreme. Everybody has hcg hormones, not just pregnant women. The conversation is about the merits of a paleo diet after weight loss, is that not a valid question? Does it really matter that much where a person started from? Are there not a lot of folks trying paleo for weight loss? What about a water fast, is that solid enough paleo for discussion? Is it true that "no question is too trivial or too newbie" or are some pigs more equal than others?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 24, 2011
at 08:59 PM

and its a sad day in mudville

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 24, 2011
at 08:58 PM

Well, it sure would be nice if some other experts would weigh in on the Quilt. So far, they haven't launched a direct attack on his THEORIES. If they don't like them, they should "man up" and go after them, instead of the passive-aggressive sniping.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:35 PM

@majkinetor, it clearly states in the FAQs "What kind of questions can I ask here? As long as your question is: related to Paleolithic and/or Primal diet, exercise and lifestyle..." i voted to close because i do not see how an extreme, medically-assisted, crash diet fits into any discussion on evolutionary/ancestral diet. this belongs on a devoted weight loss forum, in my opinion.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:27 PM

http://www.songpoemmusic.com/cults/guru.htm

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:26 PM

http://www.songpoemmusic.com/cults/guru.htm

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:26 PM

http://www.songpoemmusic.com/cults/guru.htm

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:19 PM

@Trevis: I don't know... its matter of semantics I guess. I imagine that in some other universe people finding that insulin helps with diabetes would be cast out from the forum because diabetes is not about insulin deficiency or that people with digestive problems couldn't ask about digestive enzyme brand. As long as people are nice and polite and seek only information, I don't see why is it a problem really. Furthermore, I don't see in FAQ section under "What kind of questions should I not ask here" that this type of question is not OK.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:13 PM

I also voted to close. A discussion of HCG diet "protocol" has no place on this board. No one in his/her right mind is going to attempt to argue that injecting horse urine and forced starvation is ancestral eating in any way, shape or form. The operative words being "right mind".

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:07 PM

I don't know much about Campbell's beginnings. However lots of stuff spreads by word of mouth, it certainly not all good. I'm just saying that appeals to popularity are not a great justification for anything.

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on October 24, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I read over the question a few times- I've voted to close as off-topic. I do believe paleo is highly individualized and all, and one could certainly eat paleo while doing hcg, but this really seems better suited for a board about hcg.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on October 24, 2011
at 05:34 PM

I would have no problem with that. What's the argument with hCG? That obesity is caused by an LH deficiency?

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

(1614)

on October 24, 2011
at 05:27 PM

Matthew the difference is Campbell's ideas didn't spread virally, with such informal word of mouth, and such openness to critique and improvement. It was marketing and institutional supports with the suggestion "We've done all the work for you", best I can tell. There IS something that needs to be said about how ideas like the Quilt's are spreading so effectively and organically apart from traditional channels.

Medium avatar

(8239)

on October 24, 2011
at 04:56 PM

I invariably have this reaction, when someone (Quilt, say) is the recipient of ad hominem invective. I find myself wanting to investigate their theories, get familiar with their work, to decide for myself about their claims and theories. At this point, all I'm really clear about is the sentence "I refuse a priori on principle to consider the possibility of exceptions to 'Calories in calories out'" to be a religious statement, and a psychologically interesting one as well.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 04:18 PM

^^Just saying popularity isn't everything...

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Just saying popularity isn't everything...

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 04:17 PM

I understand that Colin T. Campbell is still insanely popular. The China Study book is still in the top 100 bestsellers on amazon 5 years after it was published. 500,000 books sold? His vegan concepts must make sense or he would have faded away by now......that is not what is happening.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:45 PM

@Trevis: Then we should forbid talk [and discourage use] of vaccines, antibiotics and all other modern, non existent in nature things

Medium avatar

(39821)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:30 PM

maj: You're trying to emulate vitamin C levels that occurred early in our evolution and which occur in other animals. Same goes for people taking D3. The discussion of injecting hormones (or taking snake oil drops) is not relevant here, just as discussion of what CPU is fastest is not relevant here.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:26 PM

Maj you and i think the same. Its about the quality of info. People seem to have no problem with it unless they are the few from here. The emails and google analytics numbers says im doing something right. Ill be the first to admit im not facile on how to best rape the internet to launch a start up. But that is not my focus......but it appears to be patriks. If the concepts make no sense as he says i should be fading away......and volume drying up. Funny......that is not what is happening.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 24, 2011
at 02:35 PM

It bears repeating that the moderators have not been deleting HCG-related questions. That being said, there are many approaches to fat loss that would probably not fit in paleohacks. Liposuction, DNP, etc etc.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:04 PM

Oh, I get it. Very good. Sorry, but I am French.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 24, 2011
at 09:31 AM

Patrik, maybe in your _500 startups_ world marketing the idea is fundamental, but for some other people it means absolutely nothing. Imposing your priorities on other people is lame.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 24, 2011
at 09:24 AM

Meh, thats stupid. Vitamin C or D3 megadose are also not part of realm **"of evolutionary consistent approach to diet and health"*. If this place is turning into paleo cult, then there is no need to be here, it will become vegan like site. I always thought that 'paleo' in the tittle is understood as general tendency toward non-industrialized food, not a rule. Moderators often do break the experience and make the prominent members of community leave which is never good. This happens quite a lot when certain group of mods reserve more freedom then necessary, people are right to question them.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 24, 2011
at 01:00 AM

Travis makes a great point that bears repeating: *"HCG injections may or may not be effective, but either way they're so far out of the realm of evolutionarily-consistent approaches to diet and health that the discussion of them (just like anabolic steroids) belongs elsewhere."*

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:39 AM

The arrows and Indians one.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Which joke? I'm having trouble keeping up.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on October 23, 2011
at 11:36 PM

I find the "you try eating 500 calories without HCG" to be interesting. Perhaps we just need to not eat only 500 calories? Heavy supplementation can be pretty far out there but it's nowhere near as extreme as exogenous LH analogs. HCG injections may or may not be effective, but either way they're so far out of the realm of evolutionarily-consistent approaches to diet and health that the discussion of them (just like anabolic steroids) belongs elsewhere.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Does this question break the record for the most comments in the shortest time?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 23, 2011
at 07:24 PM

I can't vote to close it because I'm a moderator. If I click close, then the question is closed. So all the votes are from non-moderators.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 07:18 PM

@Loon - That joke didn't have anything to with Quilt :)

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:57 PM

I hear that non-Americans have a hard time with the humor. Maybe that was just the French though.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Dear lord there are so many episodes...

9cb1f345eb342eee51a8fc44ffe66184

(332)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:37 PM

thanks Colleen.. ya carbs are the problem for sure. And holding your weight to easily is an awesome testiment. I hope I didnt imply that everyone has problems with HCG, cause I know that is not true. I just had problems in rounds 2 and 3 -- round 1 was text book for me!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:37 PM

Matthew - I will be downvoting every one of your posts henceforth until you remediate this incredible shortcoming. And you will be quizzed. Get your priorities straight. Seinfeld and dopamine are tight like my sphincter

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:34 PM

Crossposts, OK Patrik, I got it!

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:34 PM

Yes, Patrik, you are correct, there is alot going on here. And I'll bet that it has little to do with how not very smart I am.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:31 PM

Is it bad that I have never seen Seinfeld?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Table for Cartright?

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Loon -- you seem to be trying to martyr yourself & get suspended or banned? Please don't. Your antipathy towards Melissa is apparent on your blog. I suggest you treat her with respect & cut out the snark. Otherwise, I gotta boot you.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:27 PM

Melissa is awesome, Patrik is infallible... :)

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:25 PM

@The Quilt ---- look dude, you need to face a fundamental problem of yours. I am saying this out of respect for you. While you are clearly very, very intelligent & while you bring a lot to the table i.e. context of health & Paleo and "out of the box" thinking --- you are also ridiculously BAD at communicating your ideas. Painfully bad. Horrifically bad. This is apparent on your blog & on PaleoHacks. Bottom line: it doesn't matter if your ideas are right, if you cannot communicate(market) them well, you have failed. Unfair, right? Lame, right? Stupid, right? I agree! C'est la vie .

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:23 PM

"I'm voting for closing this" Melissa- Hunt Gather Love

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:18 PM

There's a problem though. Many of the best Seinfeld episodes are not paleo. Junior Mints. Muffin tops. Marble rye. Chinese restaurant.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:17 PM

Melissa -- you don't have to apologize for anything -- your moderation/leadership have been an amazing boon to the PH community. Again, you're not quite perfect like moi -- but that's okay. ;)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:16 PM

@The Loon - I don't know why people are attacking Quilt. BTW - I did not downvote anything here. I really would like Quilt to answer my question about the gaps in his theories. Acknowledging a gap is not a failure or shortcoming, and actually would serve to help others understand his POV.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:16 PM

4) Last thing, there are a number of you out there reading this who are borderline personalities (I won't name names yet) -- I don't know why Paleo attracts people like you --- but know this: Your bad behavior will not be tolerated on PH. As long as you follow the rules, both explicit & implicit, all is well.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:16 PM

@The Loon - I don't know why people are attacking Quilt. BTW - I did not downvote anything here. I really would like Quilt to answer my question about the gaps in his theories. Acknowledging a gap is not a failure or shortcoming, and actually would serve to help other understand his POV.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 23, 2011
at 05:13 PM

And NONE of the people recommending it for disposal were ME.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:13 PM

Yes Matthew, there is. More specifically, there is likely a Seinfeld episode I could quote in pretty much all situations.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:13 PM

3) If you think that PaleoHacks *censors* anyone --- YOU ARE NOT VERY SMART. Pls read this thread to edify yourself: http://paleohacks.com/questions/27610/does-paleohacks-com-censor-people-or-ideas#axzz1bHsh1wnf

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:12 PM

@Matthew and @Avavind, very funny! You don't think people are attacking DrK's protocol just because he's red-faced, do you?

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:12 PM

2) WRT moderators --- there are no infallible moderators -- except of course, for me <----- that's a joke for all you people about to go mental. The mods do a rockin' great job & PaleoHacks would be hell-hole without them. You should be thanking them for their time & energy.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:11 PM

I guess the paleo concept is correct. We haven't evolved very much, have we?

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:10 PM

1) There is no anti-Dr.K/Quilt bias on Paleohacks. He has been suspended a few times for bad behvaiour, but so has Kamal when Kamal broke the rules early on. So, all of you drinking Quilt Kool-Aid stop the whining already.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:08 PM

*Maaaan....a lot going on in this thread here. Looks like I gotta wade into battle. Hold on a sec.... *sigh *fastening chin strap on flak helmet.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:08 PM

The irony is here anyone of you would be laughed out of any hospital with your paleo beliefs but you are perfectly OK doing the same to another group. Amazing

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Is there an appropriate youtube clip for every possible occasion?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:59 PM

This post should not be a part of the "magical" thread. That is about the leptin reset, not about HGC. Dr.K does not recommend HGC.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:54 PM

@Melissa stated here that she planned to get it deleted, and two people upvoted that response. A check of the edit feature shows that 2 people have recommended it for disposal. So, lets not call it paranoia. It is something else.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:53 PM

Do you guys have an appropriate youtube clip filed away for every occasion :P

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:53 PM

@Matthew, thanx for pointing that out to me. I just realized that I could edit.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Quilty is a bit like an really eccentric uncle in the family, sometimes has really interesting things to say, sometimes talks some absolute nonsense, but the place wouldn't be quite the same without him :)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACJk5SIG5ZY

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:47 PM

Ok Matthew, be prepared for a scalping

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:45 PM

^That was a joke, by the way.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:42 PM

You can always tell the ones with arrows in their backs - they're the ones that have annoyed the Indians" - me

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:40 PM

I've had some magnificent clashes with the Quilt on here. But of my 12 downvotes, only two have been directed at him. If something is interesting or entertaining, it's very tough for me to downvote it. And Quilt's posts typically have at least one of those characteristics.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:39 PM

@Loon: By the way, if you check the FAQs, with your 3000 rep points you can pretty much moderate at will :) "At the high end of this reputation spectrum there is little difference between users with high reputation and moderators. That is very much intentional. We don't run Paleo Hacks.com. The community does."

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Quilt - other than the lack of clear and cogent delivery, what do you think is the biggest gap in the theories you are espousing? Or do you think you have it all figured out? This is a sincere question.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:37 PM

I think that all should start being jolly nice to old Quilty right now, he is top bloke.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:37 PM

And a version for people who are really out there? Rad-e-o?

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 23, 2011
at 04:37 PM

I'm not sure what's wrong with saying HCG is woo. That's what the research seems to support: http://scienceblogs.com/obesitypanacea/2010/03/human_chorionic_gonadotropin_h.php

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:36 PM

And a version for the people who take their time? Snail-e-o?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:36 PM

Is there a version of ancestral diets just for metabolically-deranged people? Oh, yea, there is!

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:34 PM

..there seem to be some trollers, whatever, who run around and downvote what he posts, and the posts of people who agree with him. It that what some people mean by keeping things "running smoothly"?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:33 PM

Does that guy who plays Batman use an ancestral diet? Bale-e-o?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:32 PM

Are there copies of paleo books for the vision-imparied? Braille-e-o?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:32 PM

Is there copies of paleo books for the vision-imparied? Braille-e-o?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:31 PM

Is there a version of ancestral diets just for white people? Pale-e-o?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:30 PM

@all, I don't know who all the moderators are. I'm not saying that only the mods have been attacking DrK here. There was lots of sniping about it right before and after he started his blog, and DrK was banned here a couple of times.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:28 PM

I thought you were the other Kamal that I can't stand. My apologies. All you Indian dudes look the same to me

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:27 PM

Aravind- I accept the dummy title, with all the rights and responsibilities associated therein.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:26 PM

@Meredith, I don't think you are trying to run him outta town, but that has been a recurring theme around here from others for a while. And I agree with you about the $$, and the misguided opinion from other posters in other places that people who decide not to spend the $$ are merely stupid.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 23, 2011
at 04:25 PM

I didn't know I was part of an evil plot to hoard points. I thought I was just a bored desk jockey at a cubicle farm...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:25 PM

Loon- I know you are a big Quilt follower. For the record, I (and I think most/all of the moderators) have nothing against discussion of leptin resetting, HCG, etc etc. And it is great that Quilt is getting the word out on ways to address leptin, without making it into a $19.95 e-book. But we routinely try to keep this forum working smoothly, and it will never match 100% what any one person wants.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:23 PM

@kamal, DrK acknowledges that others go to the HCG protocol because it works, but he does not recommend it. He does, however, have a blog post with recommendations on what HCG-users do when they decide to do the reset afterwards.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:19 PM

@ Loon - I am totally NOT trying to run Quilt out of town. I enjoy the posts related to him immensely. All I was thinking - maybe not clearly communicating though, was that since the Leptin Rx seems to involve sometimes complicated, sometimes expensive measures some dedicated support may be in order. I am truly only thinking about those people who are investing in this program. HOWEVER, like I said, I enjoy reading these

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:19 PM

You are a dummy Kamal. I don't like you

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:19 PM

"You can always tell the pioneers--they're the ones with arrows in their backs" - Jerald Tennant

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Cody - what Universe do you live in? People that don't believe in calories in / calories out must live a different one than mine, since Physics is not just a good idea, it's the law. That the rhetorical tautology is not actionable absent other dietary interventions does not cause any rational person to stop their belief in the First Law of Thermodynamics. And it is complete bullshit that never obese people cannot provide useful advice to others, anymore so than an Ob/Gyn can only be female because a male does not have a mangina.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Cody - what Universe do you live in? People that don't believe in calories in / calories out must live a different one than mine, since Physics is not just a good idea, it's the law. That the rhetorical tautology in not actionable absent other dietary interventions does not cause any rational person to stop their belief in the First Law of Thermodynamics. And it is complete bullshit that never obese people cannot provide useful advice to others, anymore so than an Ob/Gyn can only be female because a male does not have a mangina.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:17 PM

@ Loon - I am totally NOT trying to run Quilt out of town. I enjoy the posts related to him immensely. All I was thinking - maybe not clearly communicating though, was that since the Leptin Rx seems to involve sometimes complicated, sometimes expensive measures. I am truly only thinking about those people who are investing in this program - it seems that some customer support specific to this Rx is going to be needed soon. HOWEVER, like I said, I enjoy reading these.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:17 PM

Cody - what Universe do you live in? People that don't believe in calories in / calories out much live a different one than mine, since Physics is not just a good idea, it's the law. That the rhetorical tautology in not actionable absent other dietary interventions does not cause any rational person to stop their belief in the First Law of Thermodynamics. And it is complete bullshit that never obese people cannot provide useful advice to others anymore so than an Ob/Gyn can only be female because they don't have a vagina.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:14 PM

Quilt- I like to talk about cute animals, make very terrible puns, and read interested hacks. That is my woo and I'm sticking to it. Arguing with you about semantics is too exhausting, so criticize Paleohack's moderation and my close-mindedness to your heart's delight.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:13 PM

@Meridith, I think you bring up interesting and valid points about the Paleo-ness of some of DrK's recommendations. But, is that really a reason to run someone out of town? The protocol recommends two very mainstream diet plans in the paleo world, and for that reason, it is quite relevant and worthy of discussion here.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Kamal, you are totally full of woo. Your leptin levels are out of whack. Stop arguing and start resetting. You can change your DNA with a single thought - The Other Indian Dude

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 23, 2011
at 04:12 PM

The Quilt added failure, I added "and" between paleo and HCG, if you click "edit" you can view the history. Maybe that will help you be less paranoid.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:12 PM

Where was I trying to use logic?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:10 PM

How many biophotons are in one standardized dose of HCG? If we could nail that down I think we'd all be better off. Can we get a levee about that?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:09 PM

Jesus Quilt, have you gone mental? I never said anything about HCG being woo. If someone wanted to lose a bunch of weight fast, I'd say just make sure you inject the HCG and not use the placebo homeopathic drops.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:09 PM

@kamal, thanx, but that's not my edit! Someone else edited it, and added "failure", which makes it a more inclusive question.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:07 PM

+1 Quilt. Paleohacks is known for being hostile to certain viewpoints, and subjected to inconsistent moderation. I don't know who all the mods are, but there does seem to be a fair amount of manipulation. Nice try, one mod, to answer a question in order to amass more points, and after that, close the question. (So don't try to weasel out of it. You know who you are and I do too.)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:06 PM

I think Miss Use is related to Little Miss Can't Be Wrong.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:05 PM

Kamal I know you dont and that is a big part of the problem. You think about things from your point of view and no one elses. As a physician I have to listen to all patients histories and then apply what I know and not make or pass any judgements upon them. They then decide for themselves if what I said has any value. That is what a biohacker does at it core. Many think you dont like to talk about things you think are woo but love to talk about things that are your own version of woo. Some of know better to stay out of your woo and let you swim in it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:05 PM

Doc, I look forward to reading this blog post. As someone who has struggled with their weight since adolescence, I KNOW that the calories in/calories out dogma is pure fantasy. People who still believe in calories in/calories out are lacking real world experience with obesity. If it were THAT FUCKING SIMPLE, NO ONE WOULD BE OBESE. I'm sick and tired of people who have never been obese putting their two cents in. And I'm tired of people trying to censor the one freaking voice of sanity trying to help people for FREE. Jeebus.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:05 PM

The Loon- Cool, your new title is great :)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 23, 2011
at 04:03 PM

Miss use? Who is that? ;)

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:03 PM

@kamal, I did read the other thread, but this one seemed to be the combination of the reset and another method, specifically.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:02 PM

I think a lot of good discussion about HCG is not here because of the prevailing attitude of a few folks. So it occurs elsewhere. This place should be about hacking all types of paleo. If you dont think its paleo say it.....and move on. I respect that a lot. But to try to deny a discussion abotu how we might help a paleo HCGer is disingenuous. We should try to help anyone we can if we can. If we cant......then say so and move on.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:02 PM

Quilt- I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Where the heck did I refer to HCG as woo? Maybe you are confusing me with some other Indian dude?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:00 PM

Meredith what you think is paleo is not paleo to everyone. Infact what paleo thinks is paleo might need to be re defined. That is obvious if you look at how people are avoiding the word paleo like the plague now.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:59 PM

I love the miss use of logic by M. Nice try.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:58 PM

And then there is the thing called a "strawman argument". You say: "There are paleohacks who use HCG. To deny it is ridiculous. It needs discussion". Okay, discuss. Nobody is denying anything. For example, contribute to the multiple HCG threads that already exist on paleohacks and have not been closed (like this one...http://paleohacks.com/questions/43211/paleo-after-hcg#axzz1bcTKJAMs)

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:58 PM

I was being (trying) funny, but I am serious too. I enjoy reading the leptin material. Lots to glean from these posts. BUT since some of the Leptin Rx really strays from what I consider to be Paleo - like HCG and cart loads of $$$ supplements and all sorts of expensive medical tests, perhaps the folks who are investing in doing this protocol would be best served by having a dedicated forum to voice questions or share results. I really don't care because I find it interesting to read these testimonials.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:56 PM

If you want to hack the woo factor......I think people should. I also would love some of the non believers actually talk and interview the people who do the woo. Then try to eat 500 calories with and without hcg and see how they do. I bet that lone experience might make you think once or twice about the woo factor. Maybe you just cant fathom the science because it is counterintuitive......kinda like the theory of relativity. It deserves a fair shot at being hacked in my view. Limiting the discussion because of a moderators biases is wrong. Id like Patrik to weigh in here.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 23, 2011
at 03:55 PM

I for the record, I have deleted stupid threads on a great many topics. The last thread I deleted was about RICE. I guess I'm anti-rice now?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:54 PM

Quilt- read the words that are typed. I did not delete this question/testimonial. Then I said "AND AS A PERSONAL OPINION, I think there's been quite enough discussion on HCG around these parts." Is that disingenuous? Am I allowed to have personal opinions? Where did I call HCG "woo"?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 23, 2011
at 03:54 PM

Thanks for making this a unique question, Quilt, I further clarified this title to make it clear this thread is about Leptin Reset+ HCG specifically. There are MANY moderators here and we are quite diverse. There is no consensus among us on any particular topic, besides the continual annoyance of people posting things that don't follow the FAQ and then complaining when we try to keep the site working the way it's supposed to.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I think that is pretty disingenous. There are thousands of paleo folks who also happen to use HCG. Because many here dont and think its woo you want to censor them? Is that how one gets selected to moderate? I dont see anyone moderating your views on food reward and obesity that is as controversial as HCG. Because that makes you feel warm and fuzzy it can be discussed in an open dialogue. I am wondering aloud if Patrik really wants that. I think a place to discuss ideas via a Hack is what it is all about. There are paleohacks who use HCG. To deny it is ridiculous. It needs discussion

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 23, 2011
at 03:48 PM

How is it the moderator's fault when they close/delete questions that do not follow the rules in our FAQ? There are dozens of legit active Dr. K/leptin reset questions. I'm voting for closing this. It clearly belongs in this thread http://paleohacks.com/questions/71147/dr-quilts-magical-leptin-reset-and-ragtime-band

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:42 PM

And as a personal opinion, I think there's been quite enough discussion on HCG around these parts. Eating 500 kcal a day combined with HCG? Way more relevant to rapid fat loss discussion than a paleo / ancestral forum.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:40 PM

The Loon- You have seen the other recent thread on Dr. K's leptin protocol with many of the answers including HCG, right? This testimonial fits squarely into that thread, and does not seem to be something that the author wants "hacked". If this was a mis-titled post, paleohackers would be more apt to change the title (meaning, anyone with enough points, not just the moderators). I do not think it was treated differently because it is associated with Dr. K's protocol and "they" don't like Dr. K's work.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:32 PM

Currently, most other forum's are run by people who make money off their books and other items. Currently, Dr. K makes his money through neurosurgery and not through his website. I think eventually he will have a forum.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:28 PM

well waddya know! I didn't realize I could edit. Hopefully it is enough of a unique question for it to stay.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:26 PM

they will remove this post unless you edit it in the form of a question. If it is a question they like, they'll do the editing for you, but they don't like Dr.K's work, so it will probably be just deleted.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:24 PM

Maybe Quilt just doesn't want that kind of responsibility. Anybody can create forum for free. I am sure Quilt would provide some input.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on October 23, 2011
at 02:52 PM

I fin it curious that there isn't a forum over on Quilt's blog. Seems weird to scatter all the leptin reset jibba-jabba among so many other sites. Maybe it's because, like Chuck Norris, Letpin Rx defies the laws of nature! It can sit in a corner in a circular room, cut through a hot knife with butter, play an awesome role in Star Wars - THE FORCE!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 02:00 PM

Congratulations on your success. However, this hack will be closed unless it is converted to a question rather than a testimonial.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 03:45 PM

Soon I will have to make a blog why the reset really works......its all about neuroplasticity of the hypothalamus and teaching the brain new ways to accounts for electrons in food. It completely works the opposite thinking of "the calories in and calories out dogma." This is why the concept is not well accepted here. Most people still buy calories in and calories out. Those who don't, however, don't fully explain why it does not work. They use partial truths. I use the research of several Nobel Prize winning researchers from 1981 and 2000. And I have been influenced by Dr. Paul Bach y Rita, and Dr. Merzenrich, and Dr. Penfield's works. Their findings allowed me to think about obesity in a completely new way later in my life when I had a better 30000 foot view of the real problem.

After understanding their research angles I completely dropped calories in and focused in on how we account for electrons on the brain side and how we can reengineer those pathways to reteach the hypothalamus how to see what it no longer can see via the damaged leptin receptors all over the body.

Sometimes to solve a tough problem you have to get outside the outside of the box. That is the Leptin Rx.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Dear lord there are so many episodes...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:47 PM

Ok Matthew, be prepared for a scalping

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 04:18 PM

^^Just saying popularity isn't everything...

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 07:18 PM

@Loon - That joke didn't have anything to with Quilt :)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:31 PM

Is it bad that I have never seen Seinfeld?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:05 PM

Doc, I look forward to reading this blog post. As someone who has struggled with their weight since adolescence, I KNOW that the calories in/calories out dogma is pure fantasy. People who still believe in calories in/calories out are lacking real world experience with obesity. If it were THAT FUCKING SIMPLE, NO ONE WOULD BE OBESE. I'm sick and tired of people who have never been obese putting their two cents in. And I'm tired of people trying to censor the one freaking voice of sanity trying to help people for FREE. Jeebus.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:25 PM

@The Quilt ---- look dude, you need to face a fundamental problem of yours. I am saying this out of respect for you. While you are clearly very, very intelligent & while you bring a lot to the table i.e. context of health & Paleo and "out of the box" thinking --- you are also ridiculously BAD at communicating your ideas. Painfully bad. Horrifically bad. This is apparent on your blog & on PaleoHacks. Bottom line: it doesn't matter if your ideas are right, if you cannot communicate(market) them well, you have failed. Unfair, right? Lame, right? Stupid, right? I agree! C'est la vie .

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Is there an appropriate youtube clip for every possible occasion?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Just saying popularity isn't everything...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Cody - what Universe do you live in? People that don't believe in calories in / calories out must live a different one than mine, since Physics is not just a good idea, it's the law. That the rhetorical tautology is not actionable absent other dietary interventions does not cause any rational person to stop their belief in the First Law of Thermodynamics. And it is complete bullshit that never obese people cannot provide useful advice to others, anymore so than an Ob/Gyn can only be female because a male does not have a mangina.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Quilt - other than the lack of clear and cogent delivery, what do you think is the biggest gap in the theories you are espousing? Or do you think you have it all figured out? This is a sincere question.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:16 PM

@The Loon - I don't know why people are attacking Quilt. BTW - I did not downvote anything here. I really would like Quilt to answer my question about the gaps in his theories. Acknowledging a gap is not a failure or shortcoming, and actually would serve to help other understand his POV.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACJk5SIG5ZY

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:13 PM

Yes Matthew, there is. More specifically, there is likely a Seinfeld episode I could quote in pretty much all situations.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 24, 2011
at 08:58 PM

Well, it sure would be nice if some other experts would weigh in on the Quilt. So far, they haven't launched a direct attack on his THEORIES. If they don't like them, they should "man up" and go after them, instead of the passive-aggressive sniping.

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

(1614)

on October 24, 2011
at 05:27 PM

Matthew the difference is Campbell's ideas didn't spread virally, with such informal word of mouth, and such openness to critique and improvement. It was marketing and institutional supports with the suggestion "We've done all the work for you", best I can tell. There IS something that needs to be said about how ideas like the Quilt's are spreading so effectively and organically apart from traditional channels.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:04 PM

Oh, I get it. Very good. Sorry, but I am French.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:08 PM

The irony is here anyone of you would be laughed out of any hospital with your paleo beliefs but you are perfectly OK doing the same to another group. Amazing

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:09 AM

@Aravind, no one is denying physics. Cody writes "I KNOW that the calories in/calories out dogma is pure fantasy. People who still believe in calories in/calories out are lacking real world experience with obesity. If it were THAT FUCKING SIMPLE, NO ONE WOULD BE OBESE." When he uses the term "calories in/calories out dogma" he's referring to the mistake that most people make, which is thinking the following: the *only* way to lose weight is to consciously try to limit calorie intake and increase calorie expenditure. That statement, at least, is definitively incorrect. (Read it closely.)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:42 PM

You can always tell the ones with arrows in their backs - they're the ones that have annoyed the Indians" - me

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:19 PM

"You can always tell the pioneers--they're the ones with arrows in their backs" - Jerald Tennant

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:18 PM

There's a problem though. Many of the best Seinfeld episodes are not paleo. Junior Mints. Muffin tops. Marble rye. Chinese restaurant.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:39 AM

The arrows and Indians one.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:26 PM

Maj you and i think the same. Its about the quality of info. People seem to have no problem with it unless they are the few from here. The emails and google analytics numbers says im doing something right. Ill be the first to admit im not facile on how to best rape the internet to launch a start up. But that is not my focus......but it appears to be patriks. If the concepts make no sense as he says i should be fading away......and volume drying up. Funny......that is not what is happening.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:17 PM

Cody - what Universe do you live in? People that don't believe in calories in / calories out much live a different one than mine, since Physics is not just a good idea, it's the law. That the rhetorical tautology in not actionable absent other dietary interventions does not cause any rational person to stop their belief in the First Law of Thermodynamics. And it is complete bullshit that never obese people cannot provide useful advice to others anymore so than an Ob/Gyn can only be female because they don't have a vagina.

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on October 23, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Table for Cartright?

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(16131)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:57 PM

I hear that non-Americans have a hard time with the humor. Maybe that was just the French though.

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(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:53 PM

Do you guys have an appropriate youtube clip filed away for every occasion :P

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(8989)

on October 24, 2011
at 12:16 AM

Which joke? I'm having trouble keeping up.

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(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:07 PM

I don't know much about Campbell's beginnings. However lots of stuff spreads by word of mouth, it certainly not all good. I'm just saying that appeals to popularity are not a great justification for anything.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:16 PM

@The Loon - I don't know why people are attacking Quilt. BTW - I did not downvote anything here. I really would like Quilt to answer my question about the gaps in his theories. Acknowledging a gap is not a failure or shortcoming, and actually would serve to help others understand his POV.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Cody - what Universe do you live in? People that don't believe in calories in / calories out must live a different one than mine, since Physics is not just a good idea, it's the law. That the rhetorical tautology in not actionable absent other dietary interventions does not cause any rational person to stop their belief in the First Law of Thermodynamics. And it is complete bullshit that never obese people cannot provide useful advice to others, anymore so than an Ob/Gyn can only be female because a male does not have a mangina.

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(19245)

on October 23, 2011
at 04:45 PM

^That was a joke, by the way.

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(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:11 PM

I guess the paleo concept is correct. We haven't evolved very much, have we?

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(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 04:17 PM

I understand that Colin T. Campbell is still insanely popular. The China Study book is still in the top 100 bestsellers on amazon 5 years after it was published. 500,000 books sold? His vegan concepts must make sense or he would have faded away by now......that is not what is happening.

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(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 07:25 AM

@A-vind: just sent you an email. Looks like we're in agreement.

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(8989)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:12 PM

@Matthew and @Avavind, very funny! You don't think people are attacking DrK's protocol just because he's red-faced, do you?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 23, 2011
at 05:37 PM

Matthew - I will be downvoting every one of your posts henceforth until you remediate this incredible shortcoming. And you will be quizzed. Get your priorities straight. Seinfeld and dopamine are tight like my sphincter

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(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 07:07 AM

@Aravind: you are the master of checking your own "recent" tab! I posted this and thought: well, he may not ever see it anyway .... Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't have ascribed the CW notion of CICO to you, but you have to admit that you did ascribe defiance of physics to Cody ....

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(78467)

on October 24, 2011
at 09:31 AM

Patrik, maybe in your _500 startups_ world marketing the idea is fundamental, but for some other people it means absolutely nothing. Imposing your priorities on other people is lame.

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on October 24, 2011
at 04:56 PM

I invariably have this reaction, when someone (Quilt, say) is the recipient of ad hominem invective. I find myself wanting to investigate their theories, get familiar with their work, to decide for myself about their claims and theories. At this point, all I'm really clear about is the sentence "I refuse a priori on principle to consider the possibility of exceptions to 'Calories in calories out'" to be a religious statement, and a psychologically interesting one as well.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on October 25, 2011
at 02:08 AM

@WCC - I don't subscribe to the CW notion of CICO at all, and I was not arguing for it at all. As I wrote to Cody - "rhetorical tautology is not actionable absent other dietary interventions"

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(19245)

on October 24, 2011
at 06:26 PM

http://www.songpoemmusic.com/cults/guru.htm

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(25472)

on October 27, 2011
at 02:43 AM

http://jackkruse.com/how-does-the-leptin-rx-work/

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(9647)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:12 AM

The dogma also includes the following: consciously trying to limit calorie intake and increasing calorie expenditure will of necessity lead to weight loss. That statement, when the terms within it are understood as they normally are, is also definitively incorrect. (Again, read closely.)

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(10502)

on October 25, 2011
at 05:25 AM

@majkinetor & @Quilt ---- (*facepalm) the ironic thing is that I am giving The Quilt solid advice b/c I WANT HIS IDEAS TO GET OUT & BE TALKED ABOUT. Not b/c I necessarily agree with them -- but I think his overall direction is good. Being stubborn and pretending that marketing doesn't matter b/c Quilt is somehow more pure/better than anyone else is profoundly immature.

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(178)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:29 PM

Calories in/calories out theory has never worked for me. I've done protein shakes and cut the calories to the same 500 that I ate on hcg. I didn't lose much and promptly regained. I've done 5 rounds of hcg and am down 75 pounds. I've maintained well (Sorry steveo, I don't think it gets harder to maintain with multiple rounds. A few have trouble but certainly not all.) The protocol calls for doing a steak day if you gain 2 pounds and I would do that when necessary and drop back down. But I still had to watch my carbs like a madwoman. HCG didn't change that but the leptin reset has.

For decades I've been very carb sensitive. Over 30 carbs and I would gain even more weight and then find it impossible to get it off. The leptin reset has fixed that. I went on a cruise recently and had creme brulee every night for dessert. I had gluten free bread and potatoes in the same meal. I came home and hadn't gained weight. Amazing! It's the leptin reset that has made the difference for me. We've all been told eat every 2-3 hours to speed up your metabolism but that's all wrong. The timing of eating is super important. More important than I'd ever imagined. I'm thinning out through the waist area too and I know that has to do with my insulin levels being more stable.

Now obviously I'm not going to eat creme brulee all the time! :) But how amazing that I can go on vacation and not come back 10 pounds higher. I can eat sweet potatoes and other carbs like a normal person. I've been a big believer in the primal lifestyle in general since the 70s. But my problems were bigger than just carbs. The combination of hcg and the leptin reset has changed my life. I tell everyone about it.

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(332)

on October 23, 2011
at 05:37 PM

thanks Colleen.. ya carbs are the problem for sure. And holding your weight to easily is an awesome testiment. I hope I didnt imply that everyone has problems with HCG, cause I know that is not true. I just had problems in rounds 2 and 3 -- round 1 was text book for me!

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(1074)

on November 06, 2011
at 04:40 AM

i simply believe eating less, larger meals > a meal every 2-3hrs which sucks for your metabolism, anabolism and hormone chemistry. however, i do not believe Quilt's breakfast strategy is that essential.

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9cb1f345eb342eee51a8fc44ffe66184

on October 23, 2011
at 05:05 PM

I have lost 179 lbs using HCG... yeah yeah, I can hear the naysayers, 500 calories, calories in/out, blah blah blah. I don't care. It was better than getting a gastric bypass or if nothing was done, better than kicking the bucket. I wasn't ready for that at the time. So I jumped on the HCG wagon. Needless to say, HCG helped me a lot.

There is a problem with it though, for some people. After multiple rounds it sometimes gets harder and harder to stabilize. Maybe b/c it whacks the hypothalamus out. When the time came for me to go to a 4th round Phase 3 (P3=the maintenance round in HCG-speak), I was freaking out because my prior rounds had been so hard to stabilize. Then I heard about Dr Kruse's Leptin Reset protocol. I read like a mad man, trying to soak it all in. I really liked the paleo idea and also, liked the possibility of being able to gain Leptin Sensitivity.

So, I embarked on the Leptin Reset journey. Following Dr K's protocol and soaking in all I could about the biochemistry is certainly an adventure, and very enlightening. I am 7 weeks into the Leptin Reset protocol now and I am below my last (HCG) injection weight... that is UNHEARD OF! Stabilization is finally achieved and it is wonderful. I still have 20 lbs to lose, but I am not worried about that now. I doubt I will use HCG again, and just want to wait for a Leptin Reset now.

My opinion on calories in/out is that it basically does not work after a certain point... Once you get past a certain weight calories in/out does not work. People who have never been there have a hard time understanding. But I can tell it doesn't work, I had 179 extra pound that showed it too. I was dieting constantly.. I tried everything, the one thing that was the icing on the cake was after a year of HIIT, and I mean the tough stuff... weight, lifting, running... blah blah. I never lost a pound. I ate 1500-1800 cal a day... and good stuff too... nothing. I was majorly discouraged and went on to gain 75 more lbs. Calories in/out = BS.. after a certain point.

I am not gonna list all the benefits I have found from the Leptin Reset, b/c this is getting long. I am not sure if it is the protocol or the paleo that is making me feel so good, but at this point it doesnt matter... I found paleo, I like it, I found Leptin Reset protocol, I like it...

And thanks again Dr Kruse for all you do and for giving us a workable plan to get our lives back.

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

I lost 80 pounds using the HCG drops.

Now I'm using Paleo/Leptin with Kruse's BAB. The first month I tried it I lost 10 pounds.

I won't go back on HCG again. I'm going to finish up with Paleo/Leptin.

I don't buy the calories in, calories out anymore. It just doesn't make sense when you look at the big picture.

I used to diet all the time. I exercised and restricted my calories and just I'd maintain or gain. If calories in vs calories out really worked, I'd have been skinny years ago.

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(1074)

on November 06, 2011
at 04:41 AM

what mammal, caveman or baby ever counted calories? who counted calories before 1950? we all can not only count but alot of us have math PhD's now lol yet we're fatter than ever. do you count how many breathes you take everyday? yes you can control it, but your brain can also autopilot. i believe the analogy holds for eating

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(638)

on October 24, 2011
at 03:53 PM

I am having success combining the leptin reset with paleo, post hcg weight loss (38 lbs). To identify what I classify as success: my weight is stable (no regain), I have little hunger, I sleep well, no headaches/fatigue/rash/IBS. To clarify a misconception repeated here oft, I did not spend a fortune on the hcg protocol, nor on the leptin Rx... except that I pay more for the foods I purchase because hcg diet dictates fresh veggies, fresh fruit, and lean proteins similarly the Leptin Rx requires lots of good proteins and fats. However, the increased costs have been offset by my savings in pharmaceuticals and OTC meds because I no longer take anything, except a smaller dose of my thyroid med. and I haven't been sick, not even a common cold. I did spend about $100 on supplements (I know! not paleo!) about 6 months ago, but offset that by riding my bike more than driving my car (I know! not paleo!). Whether or not hcg approach is "in the realm" of paleo approaches to diet and health, the protocol diet itself is paleo, and more healthful than SAD, not particularly starvation either (when did starvation become a non-paleo topic anyway?) Seems people arrive at this paleo slant from all different avenues from veganism to every other -ism, yet this particular route seems to raise a lot of ire from certain folk, which says a lot. I don't imagine that being a closed minded, condescending twit was particularly healthful for a paleolithic human.

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on October 24, 2011
at 02:16 PM

sometimes ignorance is bliss...still haven't bought the books, never count calories, only concern is not getting in enough, just following the protocol and it's working great for me...even when i think i might have gained weight, i don't or just a lb or 2 and it goes right back down or below. one of the biggest benefits of hcg was the quick weight loss and lr is that i don't really think about food, just plan my meals and really enjoy the bab. i get excited when it's time to eat. we know it works, just do it and forget about it. stressing increases cortisol and that's not helping. eat well and enjoy!

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on October 23, 2011
at 09:41 PM

I am struggling, but that is because of my overall health, which I used to think was pretty good. I am not gaining which is a huge plus! Am working on getting all the top supplements and will have labs done in January. But I feel small improvements in how I feel all the time. So hoping things aren't too bad. At 60 years, and eating SAD for most of them, I am happy to be doing so well :-D

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on October 23, 2011
at 05:48 PM

After doing starvation diets to lose 29 lb (from 376) over 3 years, I lost another 54 lb on 4 short rounds of HCG that began October 30, 2010. It was the only thing that worked well for me after years of struggling with food and diets since the age of 8 (I'm now 64). Returning to a "more balanced food menu" after the first HCG round, I learned that my body didn't like for me to eat a "balanced diet" and began searching for better food options for life. Between rounds 2 and 3 I found Primal/Paleo eating was very satisfying and allowed me to maintain the weight loss very successfully. After round 3 I felt my skin was drying up into a wrinkled freak show, however, and I knew I was starving my body of the fats it needed to keep my skin supple. I intended to take a VERY long break after that round and saturate myself in good fats! So I went strictly Paleo with no dairy but more good saturated fats than is often recommended on Paleo in order to compensate for fat starvation on HCG. And after 6 weeks I began losing and lost another 11 lb before finding Dr. Kruse and the Leptin Reset in early July.

Since working the reset promises to assist in balancing my hormones and add many other health benefits (I read Dr. K's history with it and the biochemistry of it and I'm a believer, yes!), I tweaked the timing of my eating and added more coconut oil to my diet. The BAB (Big A.. Breakfast) of 75 g protein (for me) and lots of coconut oil keep me from getting hungry and even thinking about snacks. My cravings were pretty much put away while on the HCG rounds, but that BAB keeps them away.

I have lost an additional 6 lb on the reset, to make it a full 100 lb weight loss from my all time high! I'm thrilled! But more importantly I'm getting healthier!!! Before the reset, even with the weight loss I was still easily fatigued! I could not complete a trip to the grocer, unload the car and put away groceries within an hour of returning from shopping. Now, although I've only lost an additional 6 lb, I can complete strenuous tasks without 15 minute rests every 5 minutes. My clothes are baggier than when I began the reset in July ... I had lost 8 pant sizes pre-reset, but now I'm down another 2 sizes! My stretchy T-shirts that were once quite snug, then fit decently after losing 54 lb on HCG, are now way too baggy to wear in public. My skin is soft like it was in my youth and the age spots on my hands are fading. My hair has natural moisture and body again, not dry frizz. My nails are stronger. My skin tags have disappeared.

I FEEL GREAT!!! I still have a whole person to lose, but I'm confident I can do it and continue getting healthier.

Additionally, many who lose a lot of weight with HCG and then return to the typically low fat food menus of CW have to get tummy tucks, boob lifts and other surgery to remove the bat wings of loose skin; but I can tell already that this will not be my fate. My skin is tightening even before the scales even drop now. I can use my resistance bands and lift the weights in HIIT fashion already, and I know this is helping.

The reset and the information Dr. Kruse provides concerning helpful lab tests and supplementation are helping me get my hormones in balance as well. People who do this are discovering that if you aren't losing weight when you've done the reset for 6-8 weeks, or if you are gaining when doing it, then there are hormonal issues that need to be cleared up. This is my work in progress with my hormones, as well.

AND, my brain gets a good workout every time I read (and re-read, and read again) the bloggs at www.jackkruse.com. I know my mind is expanding expotentially! I can't say enough good things about all that I'm learning during this n=1 successful experiment in regaining health!!!

Thank you, Dr. Kruse, for all you do!!!

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