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Are lectin fears overblown in the paleo community?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 29, 2011 at 1:21 AM

I just came across an interesting article while searching for the health benefits of antinutrients, in which the author claims that lectins are completely destroyed by cooking and fear of them is vastly overblown in the paleo community. Is this true? Are there any studies out there showing health benefits of "antinutrients"? Is fear of lectins really based on studies using only raw legumes?

Here is the article: http://www.drclydewilson.com/content/paleo-diet-incompetent-new-level-legumes-are-not-antinutrients

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on July 29, 2011
at 05:20 PM

Yes, although I probably wouldn't do it if the content of the post was still good.

C2ad96801ec1e22d2bf62475b6e52751

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on July 29, 2011
at 01:41 PM

There isn't anything wrong with downvoting solely for the poster's unseemly attitude. I do it all the time.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 04:20 AM

IMHO Whole9 stimulates this kind of arrogant thinking. Maybe those folks are nice, but their authoritarian tone irks me to no end. I hope they get into a cage match brawl with Don Matesz at AHS.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on July 29, 2011
at 04:06 AM

My downvote was for the same reasons as thhq. (and honestly also for the condescending tone of the post.)

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on July 29, 2011
at 03:59 AM

Melissa, my comments and downvote are for the posting of hyperbolic unsupported nonsense, and to top it off, an ad for a self-promoting website.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:55 AM

BTW there are also other toxins in beans to consider. Some poor people do get sick from eating legumes. Lathyrism is an extreme example.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:54 AM

But lectin sensitivity can extend to things considered "paleo" and on the whole9 program. If you are sick you've gotta consider many causes.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:53 AM

no, my whole point was against statements like "eating beans cause cancer." Beans/legumes are fairly diverse, encompassing the peanut to the kidney bean to the lentil. We should investigate the safety of the lectins present in them, but there are different lectins in each different type. Personally, my suspicion is that I am quite sensitive to those in kidney beans. Some are destroyed upon cooking, but not all.

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on July 29, 2011
at 03:46 AM

Beyond that, there is credible evidence for causation of cancer and heart disease, but this is the first I've heard of "systemic inflammation" as a cause. I have trouble with the evidence for leaky gut, but do you mean to say that eating beans causes cancer? Show us the peer reviewed studies please.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:36 AM

eeew those bars look like something I'd feed to a rabbit.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:35 AM

I think you are confused, but I didn't downvote you because you are new. Did you know your own body produces lectins? And there are lectins in meat? It's specific lectins we need to worry about, such as Peanut agglutinin lectin (know to stimulate cancer cells). Melissa and Dallas also need to be more specific about what lectins they are talking about so people can know what foods they are in and what health probs they can cause.

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on July 29, 2011
at 03:31 AM

Fine theory, but where is the Framingham or China Study that supports it? There are billions of people out there eating legumes, and rhetoric alone proves nothing about their health.

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on July 29, 2011
at 03:23 AM

It's an interesting article and thanks for posting it. Since cooked legumes are not poisonous and consumed daily by billions of people, a large population study should be run over decades, to demonstrate whether there are any deleterious health effects. Perhaps the paleo community at large would be willing to fund a study, thus providing credible evidence for the lectin theory.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on July 29, 2011
at 03:08 AM

Why did someone downvote this answer and not leave a comment? It seems like a perfectly reasonable answer (bar the condescending opening line :))

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 02:37 AM

they are something to be aware of, so if you notice something making you sick it might be a lectin and you might want to avoid lectins that commonly cause sensitivity if you have symptoms of leaky gut

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 02:12 AM

I would say it depends on the nut/seed and on the person.

2d4ff23c8ce7fb00708fa88ceffd4087

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on July 29, 2011
at 02:04 AM

I just noticed that and he has lost some credibility in my book.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 29, 2011
at 01:54 AM

Do you prefer him fermented or sprouted?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 29, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Would please EXPLICITLY explain how you detoxify Chris? Soak him in water for 24 hours first?

2d4ff23c8ce7fb00708fa88ceffd4087

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on July 29, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Interesting. Would you say the lectins in nuts/seeds are less problematic than the ones contained in legumes?

2d4ff23c8ce7fb00708fa88ceffd4087

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on July 29, 2011
at 01:32 AM

Agree %100. Every food is a double-edged sword. There is always something good or bad about it.

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7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on July 29, 2011
at 01:27 AM

I'm inclined to agree with the title question although I don't have time just now to read the article . I mean, sure, some foods are really terrible for us or at least don't contain anything of value (grains) but so much of what we eat contains this or that anti-nutrient. Obsessing over lectins in foods that don't cause you issues is pretty pointless. You can find something wrong with just about any food if you look hard enough.

2d4ff23c8ce7fb00708fa88ceffd4087

(408)

on July 29, 2011
at 01:32 AM

Agree %100. Every food is a double-edged sword. There is always something good or bad about it.

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on July 29, 2011
at 01:45 AM

I don't know. What I do know is that Dr. Clyde is selling his own Dr. Clyde bars with both soy and agave nectar in them. Seeing that I wouldn't be likely to put much stock in anything he has to say about nutrition. (Plus his attitude is in serious need of adjustment. A little hostile, no?)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:36 AM

eeew those bars look like something I'd feed to a rabbit.

2d4ff23c8ce7fb00708fa88ceffd4087

(408)

on July 29, 2011
at 02:04 AM

I just noticed that and he has lost some credibility in my book.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 01:41 AM

Why would you fear lectins? Chris and I have a joke that I'm not allowed to kiss him because I'm paleo and he contains lectins. Of course while Chris DOES contain lectins (as all humans do), I do kiss him because it's specific lectins we are worrying about, not lectins in general. We have to look at these individually because they have very different effects and tolerance to cooking.

2d4ff23c8ce7fb00708fa88ceffd4087

(408)

on July 29, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Interesting. Would you say the lectins in nuts/seeds are less problematic than the ones contained in legumes?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 02:37 AM

they are something to be aware of, so if you notice something making you sick it might be a lectin and you might want to avoid lectins that commonly cause sensitivity if you have symptoms of leaky gut

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 29, 2011
at 01:54 AM

Do you prefer him fermented or sprouted?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 29, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Would please EXPLICITLY explain how you detoxify Chris? Soak him in water for 24 hours first?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 02:12 AM

I would say it depends on the nut/seed and on the person.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 29, 2011
at 01:31 AM

Well, I don't really think there is a fear of lectins. And I'm not just playing semantics. I think the idea of avoiding lectins for the most is just kind of avoiding things that have somewhat hidden deleterious effects; easier to avoid possibly deleterious things than otherwise?

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7da9196d836b08210c684172312500ce

on July 29, 2011
at 02:52 AM

You guys don't understand the repercussions of lectins. They cause small intestine permeability, which is a main cause of chronic systemic inflammation. Chronic means it's an underlying level throughout your whole body. Acne/skin conditions, allergies, poor sleep and a host of other conditions you wouldn't normally pinpoint to what you just ate can be a result of inflammation, and systemic inflammation is now understood to be the major player in cancer and heart disease.

Lectins are resistant to heat and digesive denaturation according to this study.

I'd recommend you all check out whole9life.com, particularly their free Whole30 program. They answer a lot of these questions regarding the why's of a paleo diet. There really are foods that are 100% nutritionally dense & valuable; we should build our diet on them and minimize inflammatory and insulin-spiking foods as much as humanly possible.

C2ad96801ec1e22d2bf62475b6e52751

(1416)

on July 29, 2011
at 01:41 PM

There isn't anything wrong with downvoting solely for the poster's unseemly attitude. I do it all the time.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:35 AM

I think you are confused, but I didn't downvote you because you are new. Did you know your own body produces lectins? And there are lectins in meat? It's specific lectins we need to worry about, such as Peanut agglutinin lectin (know to stimulate cancer cells). Melissa and Dallas also need to be more specific about what lectins they are talking about so people can know what foods they are in and what health probs they can cause.

Medium avatar

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on July 29, 2011
at 03:59 AM

Melissa, my comments and downvote are for the posting of hyperbolic unsupported nonsense, and to top it off, an ad for a self-promoting website.

Medium avatar

(10601)

on July 29, 2011
at 03:31 AM

Fine theory, but where is the Framingham or China Study that supports it? There are billions of people out there eating legumes, and rhetoric alone proves nothing about their health.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on July 29, 2011
at 03:08 AM

Why did someone downvote this answer and not leave a comment? It seems like a perfectly reasonable answer (bar the condescending opening line :))

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 04:20 AM

IMHO Whole9 stimulates this kind of arrogant thinking. Maybe those folks are nice, but their authoritarian tone irks me to no end. I hope they get into a cage match brawl with Don Matesz at AHS.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on July 29, 2011
at 05:20 PM

Yes, although I probably wouldn't do it if the content of the post was still good.

Medium avatar

(10601)

on July 29, 2011
at 03:46 AM

Beyond that, there is credible evidence for causation of cancer and heart disease, but this is the first I've heard of "systemic inflammation" as a cause. I have trouble with the evidence for leaky gut, but do you mean to say that eating beans causes cancer? Show us the peer reviewed studies please.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:53 AM

no, my whole point was against statements like "eating beans cause cancer." Beans/legumes are fairly diverse, encompassing the peanut to the kidney bean to the lentil. We should investigate the safety of the lectins present in them, but there are different lectins in each different type. Personally, my suspicion is that I am quite sensitive to those in kidney beans. Some are destroyed upon cooking, but not all.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:54 AM

But lectin sensitivity can extend to things considered "paleo" and on the whole9 program. If you are sick you've gotta consider many causes.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 29, 2011
at 03:55 AM

BTW there are also other toxins in beans to consider. Some poor people do get sick from eating legumes. Lathyrism is an extreme example.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on July 29, 2011
at 04:06 AM

My downvote was for the same reasons as thhq. (and honestly also for the condescending tone of the post.)

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