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So the Lectins, Salicylates and Phytates in Paleo-Foods are A-Ok?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 07, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I've been doing a LOT of research lately on "anti-nutrients" - allergenic foods and plant toxins. What I am discovering is that even many paleo approved foods contain lectins, phytates, salicylates, etc. So why are these substances toxic in neolithic foods, yet somehow rendered bengin in paleo foods. I see logical inconsistency and confirmation bias in this.

List of Foods that Contain Lectins:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/305368-list-of-foods-that-contain-lectin/

List of those with Phytates: (Nuts, which are paleo, have them)

http://www.livestrong.com/article/308437-phytates-diet/

And LOTS of paleo foods are high in salicylates

http://www.livestrong.com/article/296049-list-of-foods-with-suspected-salicylates/

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:40 PM

Agree LiveStrong is not a very definitive source, but merely linked to it for user-friendly way to share about these anti-nutrients being in paleo foods.

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:03 AM

Anything coming from livestrong should be taken with a grain of salt. Preferably rock salt. To many contradicting articles amongst their writers.

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:56 AM

I meat "animals eat plants" BTW: Clearly a stotch fillet does not hunt down carrots.

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:55 AM

Good luck finding a diet with no oxalates, phytates, lectins or salicylates. I guess you could go zero carb, but I think even meat will have some of those things, as meat usually eats plants. Its my understanding that those chemical groups are very common. So its more about how much is in foods, and what specific chemicals (not groups), rather than are there any of those chemicals present at all.

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:02 AM

Merely oversimplified.

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on September 08, 2012
at 12:52 AM

Hmmm... Rob Wolff's book puts a lot of emphasis on lectins and phytates. Are you saying that's misplaced?

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on September 07, 2012
at 10:39 PM

These are all families of chemicals with widely varying effects. In other words, a lectin is not a lectin.

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on September 07, 2012
at 10:50 PM

Lectins are a broad category of sugar binding molecules. Having lectins is not a bad thing. If it were all foods would be guilty. You have to consider type and quantity. If someone says X food is bad because it has lectins, they are oversimplifying the issue at best.

Phytates can be important to the mineral bio-availability any diet. I think a lot of paleo people are aware of this, but phytates likely aren't the demon some have made them out to be. I certainly wouldn't consider them toxic.

Salicylates are probably an individual issue, some people report high sensitivity, most don't. I haven't heard people use salicylates as an argument for paleo...ever actually.

I agree that some dubious claims have been made to support cutting out neolithic food groups in the paleo-blogo-sphere in the past, but thankfully we don't seem to make such statements as much.

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on September 08, 2012
at 12:52 AM

Hmmm... Rob Wolff's book puts a lot of emphasis on lectins and phytates. Are you saying that's misplaced?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:02 AM

Merely oversimplified.

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on September 07, 2012
at 10:28 PM

Compare which are the highest. Which cause negative reactions to humans (even your articles point that not all react with human cells). Also compare reduction in the negative impact of these things through normal preparation. Then come back and report your findings. Being your only links are to live strong I gotta believe you should do some more investigation.

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on September 08, 2012
at 05:01 AM

I have been eating almost paleo for a couple years now (was still eating some brown rice) and in the last month went full paleo, mostly in hope of resolving ongoing headache and digestive issues, and to get my weight loss back on track.

After a couple weeks I started to notice that my symptoms would return after eating certain vegetables, and they turned out to be the high salicylate ones. So now I am experimenting with eating only low salicylate veggies with my meats. I also had to give up coconut oil and hot peppers for this experiment, which were particularly hard to give up.

So far the experiment is a success, I am feeling better, less symptoms overall and good energy.

But most people can tolerate them fine; I think it really comes down to paying attention to what works for you. I seem to be learning I need to limit my exposure, at least for now. Maybe over time as my gut heals I will be better able to handle them (I am also gluten intolerant and think that may have damaged the permeability of my small intestine, making it easier for salicylates to cross into my bloodstream.)

From a paleo theory standpoint it would seem to make sense that we as humans are adapted to handle a wide range of plant toxins, if we are otherwise healthy. Most primates have his ability and we are no different in that regard, as we have opportunistically eaten a variety of plant foods throughout our evolution.

I think in my case years of overeating a standard American diet have damaged my system a bit and it will take some careful navigating the paleo waters to get my full digestive health back. I certainly hope so.

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on June 30, 2013
at 10:16 PM

Ive been Paleo since Dec 2010, Felt Great, until Nov 2011, when i started to feel fatigue, and an extreme eczema attacked me every since, kept researching for reasons why, I upped my Fat and lowered my Fat i DID Zero carb, low , med and also High. nothing worked, and Before Paleo i had no issues with eczema, just the minor acne, and going paleo, I introduced all animals and fats. Since learning about Salicylates and amines ive had to tone it down and now i only eat White fish and Salmon and Green beans (so-so-paleo?) Ive cut out Grains, Dairy (even butter!) and now i feel great my eczema flares have dropped, (its only been 2 days on this diet) I am also sad because this diet is very limited, but its worth it, because eczema is a real life killer. I LOVE AND HATE PALEO! But i think most people on here that dont do well on Paleo need to look into Salicylates and amines intolerance. Especally the people who get Skin problems while going on paleo. I even quit smoking marijuana! but i hope as i heal maybe i can introduce my weed again and live a normal life.

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