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Voting down - how do we know why we were voted down?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 08, 2011 at 9:25 PM

Hi,

If someone votes you down or you lose reputation because of something you've said either due to incorrect information or being off topic etc, how do we know why?

While I totally agree that the voting should be anonymous, it might be helpful if we could see what has been marked this way, perhaps with a brief anonymous explanation, so we can learn that the information we have provided is not correct.

Would love to know other people's thoughts on this.

Cheers,

Paul.

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on September 23, 2011
at 07:34 AM

No one would know that unless they asked Melissa, and there's nothing wrong with having a discussion about it. The fact that this question hasn't been commented on for so long suggests that we are already outside having fun! :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 19, 2011
at 12:40 PM

See, what did I tell you? even though my answer was directly related to the question. hehehe. Drama bring flies to the feces. Nobody cares, otherwise.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 19, 2011
at 12:15 PM

we don't need drama here. next stint like this that you pull and you will probably get banned.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 19, 2011
at 12:14 PM

Patrik doesn't have that kind of control over the platform. The original developers didn't include a "comment on downvote" feature so he'd probably have to pay $$$$ to please a few thin-skinned individuals. Guys, go outside and play.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 11, 2011
at 07:51 AM

Paul - yes pfw was a regular there, but I did not find PaNu until Sept 2010.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 10, 2011
at 04:05 PM

I believe that some people downvote when they disagree with an opinion expressed in an answer, but I think it's relatively few. And usually, downvotes for a 'wrong' answer seem to come when that answer is also short or rude. I don't think the up and down votes are there to help us learn, but to make the paleohacks experience more social and entertaining...

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on July 10, 2011
at 01:08 PM

Kirsten, if you press the same down-vote button again that will undo your vote. Thanks WCC Paul. I wonder what Patrik might have to say on the issue now it has been discussed again? I may him for his comments, especially as I guess he'll be the one making the final decision. I'll tweet him and ask him for his thoughts.

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on July 10, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Hi Animalcule, It's great that you cannot remember ever being confused as to why you were down voted, especially if you knew you were going to offend. But this isn't just being about smart-arsed, it's also about learning that your answer or 'fact' is not correct. I am new to the Paleo lifestyle and there are differing opinions everywhere. Some are of course based on fact and others on people's preference. If people vote you down because what you have said is wrong, how can we learn from it if we are not told why?

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on July 09, 2011
at 05:49 PM

No worries, Paleo Hutch. Your question is related, but different. Also just interesting that it seems from back then that there's no easy solution to this problem.

Ef228708abd5f082f633b1cd1d64eee1

(892)

on July 09, 2011
at 03:33 PM

Most of my rare down votes were accidents due to the fact that I scroll left-handed on my iPhone. :( I normally just immediately upvote the commer again, though I dunno if it cancels out...

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on July 09, 2011
at 09:53 AM

Thanks. I always do a search to see if my question has been answered before. This time is did search for 'voting down' and 'reputation' but nothing along these lines came up. Thanks for the link.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on July 09, 2011
at 07:42 AM

@Jack, that's interesting what I read on your VAP thread, that you and Aravind used to be on the PaNu forum. I rocked out there from about March 2010 to August 2010, before eventually devoting all my time to PH. If I'm not mistaken I think pfw kept posting there for quite a while after that.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on July 09, 2011
at 07:40 AM

No one has posted this link yet, oddly: http://paleohacks.com/questions/18088/meta-should-we-require-comments-on-downvoting-closed Note that this question was eventually closed because things got a little heated.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on July 09, 2011
at 07:38 AM

Wait, Ben, such a thing exists: go to a user's page and click on the "user feed." Bottom right, all the way down.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 09, 2011
at 01:37 AM

Good idea, J. Anyone else interested in some kind of widget that would allow you to select other users that you like to "follow"? Such that maybe you could receive a daily or semi-daily update of what they've asked, answered or commented?

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on July 08, 2011
at 10:25 PM

A drop down box is a great idea. You can give a reason and remain anonymous. I think having some sort of system like this will help 'hackers' (especially newbies like me) to become better at what they do and therefore make Paleohacks.com even better at what it does. Of course it's brilliant anyway, but I'm sure you know what I mean. :)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 08, 2011
at 10:24 PM

Hey - I gave a reason for my hypothetical downvote. Step off RootyB :-)

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on July 08, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Of course the polite 'hackers' are great, but not everyone does leave a comment about why they've voted down. Of course when they do it's very much appreciated. I wonder, if a system is put in place, could reputation points be awarded so all are encouraged to give their reasons.

Ff6560918e3b3cede8958b070cc07822

(407)

on July 08, 2011
at 10:15 PM

And I'll upvote you to make up for his downvote.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:52 PM

100% agree. I recently noticed I had 2 downvotes on an answer with 15 upvotes. No explanation.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 08, 2011
at 09:50 PM

I am going to downvote you now to raise your blood pressure so as to take your mind off your VAP test results

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:45 PM

anonymous downvoting kind of sucks doesn't it ? I always upvote a post which was downvoted without explanation.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:45 PM

anonymous downvoting kind of sucks doesn't it ? I always upvote a downvoted post without explanation.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:42 PM

that's a nice idea - and still anonymous!

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Agreed! Great ideas.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:32 PM

It would be cool if a downvote was accompanied by a requirement to click a dropdown box with a choice of reasons.

example:

  1. Offensive tone and/or attitude

  2. Disagree with specific fact(s) and or opinion presented

  3. Not relevant to discussion at hand.

etc etc.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:42 PM

that's a nice idea - and still anonymous!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 09, 2011
at 01:37 AM

Good idea, J. Anyone else interested in some kind of widget that would allow you to select other users that you like to "follow"? Such that maybe you could receive a daily or semi-daily update of what they've asked, answered or commented?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 08, 2011
at 09:50 PM

I am going to downvote you now to raise your blood pressure so as to take your mind off your VAP test results

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on July 09, 2011
at 07:42 AM

@Jack, that's interesting what I read on your VAP thread, that you and Aravind used to be on the PaNu forum. I rocked out there from about March 2010 to August 2010, before eventually devoting all my time to PH. If I'm not mistaken I think pfw kept posting there for quite a while after that.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Agreed! Great ideas.

Ff6560918e3b3cede8958b070cc07822

(407)

on July 08, 2011
at 10:15 PM

And I'll upvote you to make up for his downvote.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:45 PM

anonymous downvoting kind of sucks doesn't it ? I always upvote a post which was downvoted without explanation.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:52 PM

100% agree. I recently noticed I had 2 downvotes on an answer with 15 upvotes. No explanation.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on July 09, 2011
at 07:38 AM

Wait, Ben, such a thing exists: go to a user's page and click on the "user feed." Bottom right, all the way down.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 08, 2011
at 10:24 PM

Hey - I gave a reason for my hypothetical downvote. Step off RootyB :-)

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:45 PM

anonymous downvoting kind of sucks doesn't it ? I always upvote a downvoted post without explanation.

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on July 08, 2011
at 10:25 PM

A drop down box is a great idea. You can give a reason and remain anonymous. I think having some sort of system like this will help 'hackers' (especially newbies like me) to become better at what they do and therefore make Paleohacks.com even better at what it does. Of course it's brilliant anyway, but I'm sure you know what I mean. :)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 11, 2011
at 07:51 AM

Paul - yes pfw was a regular there, but I did not find PaNu until Sept 2010.

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A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on July 08, 2011
at 09:40 PM

Someone that some of the more polite PaleoHackers who down-vote do is leave a comment explaining why they down-voted. Not everybody does this; but it's certainly appreciated.

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on July 08, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Of course the polite 'hackers' are great, but not everyone does leave a comment about why they've voted down. Of course when they do it's very much appreciated. I wonder, if a system is put in place, could reputation points be awarded so all are encouraged to give their reasons.

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on July 09, 2011
at 06:39 PM

I can't remember ever being confused by why an answer has been down-voted. Even the few of my own who have been; I used language which I knew was bound to offend a couple people.

The only reason I downvote is because a reply doesn't even qualify as an 'answer' (if you have a random question or want to be a smart-ass, or have no information to impart beyond a terse sentance, use the comment function), or because it is excessively rude/negative.

51c2cdd55bf287026db68cf31a6d0a0b

on July 10, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Hi Animalcule, It's great that you cannot remember ever being confused as to why you were down voted, especially if you knew you were going to offend. But this isn't just being about smart-arsed, it's also about learning that your answer or 'fact' is not correct. I am new to the Paleo lifestyle and there are differing opinions everywhere. Some are of course based on fact and others on people's preference. If people vote you down because what you have said is wrong, how can we learn from it if we are not told why?

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 10, 2011
at 04:05 PM

I believe that some people downvote when they disagree with an opinion expressed in an answer, but I think it's relatively few. And usually, downvotes for a 'wrong' answer seem to come when that answer is also short or rude. I don't think the up and down votes are there to help us learn, but to make the paleohacks experience more social and entertaining...

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 19, 2011
at 11:55 AM

Don't worry, you can't do anything right in "the favored Top 20" they'll down vote you for speaking your mind or having an opinion. They're just stupid numbers made to make you feel elite or inadequate. They're just on power trips. Like any gives a flying fudge. Honestly. you ask a question, you get down voted because you "didn't ask it right" (wtf ever), you reply, you get down voted. you try to have a conversation you get down voted. Id say its nothing personal, but this clan has a gang mentality. CONFORM OR GET BANNED. BY ALL INTENTION, DO NOT BE YOURSELF OR BE HONEST. YOU HAVE NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH HERE.

That's what this place is all about. (watch, check out how fast I get down voted. Don't huwt anyones feewings! or its have a tissue for your issue time and you'll be hazed until you think and act like every other monkey here.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 19, 2011
at 12:40 PM

See, what did I tell you? even though my answer was directly related to the question. hehehe. Drama bring flies to the feces. Nobody cares, otherwise.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 19, 2011
at 12:15 PM

we don't need drama here. next stint like this that you pull and you will probably get banned.

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