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Persistent hip pain - leaky gut or candida overgrowth?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 31, 2011 at 5:33 PM

These two conditions seem pretty similar and I???m having trouble distinguishing between them??? but think I may have one (or both) of them. Doctors haven???t been much help, so I need some input from you guys.

I am a 32yo male, about 150 lbs. For the last 4-5 years I???ve gotten strange rashes (mostly on my face.. diagnosed as seborrheic dermatitis), but occasionally rashes on my chest and abdomen also. They seemed to be caused by sunlight or sweating because they tend to come out in the springtime. Originally it would go away on its own, but this year it lasted for 6+ months before I was able to shake it. Doctors gave me countless creams which didn???t help at all. I was eventually able to get it under control with a Paleo diet, washing it twice a day with tea tree oil soap, and applying apple cider vinegar and coconut oil to it.

I???ve also had some a bad pain in my right hip that started around the same time the rash did this year (late February) and has not gone away. This is the second year I have had the hip pain??? it went away within a couple of months the first time. Now it will sometime subside on its own, but usually comes back within a few days. Sometimes it gets really bad, and I have trouble walking or going up stairs. It seems to be worse when I stand up and start walking after sitting for a long period of time. I have had an xray on the hip which showed nothing abnormal in the bones. They want to do an MRI also, but I???m delaying that because it will cost me about $500 and I???m not convinced I???ll get much useful information out of it. My doctors (general practitioner, dermatologist, and rheumatologist) haven???t been very helpful. I also had digestion problems, but those went away pretty quickly with the diet.

I assume this hip pain is rheumatoid arthritis (even though I am pretty young for that)??? possibly caused by leaky gut or candida overgrowth. Am I on the right track here? Doctors gave me prednisone (low dose for 10 days) for the rash earlier this year. The other year I had the hip pain, they had also given me prednisone. They were also telling me to take advil for the hip pain. As I started doing my own research, I see that prednisone and advil both contribute to leaky gut and could be contributing to my problem. :( My blood work shows I have an elevated sed rate (inflammation). Mine was 24 and should be between 0 and 15 they said.

I ate a standard American diet for years??? started gluten free about two months ago and went paleo about a month after that. I am currently pretty strictly paleo (although all of my meats aren???t grassfed, still working on that). Also avoiding eggs (just for 5 days now), nightshades, and nuts. Supplementing with fish oil, vitamin D, zinc, and probiotics. I was eating greek yogurt, but stopped??? not sure if it is damaging (dairy) or doing good (probiotics). I???ve also ordered some glutamine which should be here by the end of the week.

Any thoughts on what my condition could be, or the best diet/supplements for it would be appreciated. Thanks.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 02, 2012
at 01:14 AM

Yeah, this is immediately what I thought of. Tearing can be undiagnosed for years if a proper MRI isn't performed.

45d9d006aad9043254c5ade7f1349869

(10)

on October 03, 2011
at 05:38 AM

Apologies for the late reply. I got myself a foam roller. Man does that thing hurt but it makes a massive difference and after a while it doesn't hurt so much ;-) It sounds like you have a problem with the muscle. Look up exercises for strengthening the gluteus and piriformis. Good luck.

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on September 02, 2011
at 02:39 PM

I have not noticed That because of the candida, I don't eat fruit. I take a 1/8 teaspoon of powdered nystatin in a 1/4th of a cup of warm water, swish it around and swallow so it goes all through my intestinal tract

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

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on September 02, 2011
at 12:54 PM

Does the pain come back if you eat fruit now? I eat a fair amount of fruit... other than that, I have pretty much been following your diet.

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

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on September 01, 2011
at 11:30 PM

Two to three months. Then I had a 2 inch sliver of home made apple pie. I woke up the next day with swollen knees and hip pain...It took a week for the pain to go away that time. No way will I do THAT again.

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 01, 2011
at 04:57 PM

I'm curious to hear more about this also. I thought gluten did most of it's damage in the intestine which leads to other problems. Could deoderant, hair gel, etc. really lead to these problems?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on September 01, 2011
at 04:35 PM

I have a "bad" hip too. It never goes away entirely, and is worse with extended sitting. I can't figure it out. I've had joint issues since my 20s. Much improved when i dropped gluten. I too wonder/suspect that it's auto-immune/RA related to Leaky gut etc.. I don't think it's a crazy idea. Still working on the resolution.. sigh.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on September 01, 2011
at 04:23 PM

What's totem? I'd really like to hear why you think gluten "is easily absorbed by the skin", and the mechanism by which the application of some glutenous toiletry (?) would result in hip pain -- or any other inflammatory reaction, for that matter. (Aside from an allergic one, if a true allergy were present.)

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 01, 2011
at 02:02 PM

could be, i really don't know. i sit down at work a lot also, and it seems to be worse after sitting for long periods of time. it is really strange the way it will go away almost completely sometimes and then return a few days later. Did yours do that?

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 01, 2011
at 01:59 PM

how long after altering your diet did it take your pain to go away?

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 01, 2011
at 01:58 PM

I thought that might be it at first, and tried sleeping in different positions.. didn't really help.

8f46bdba543e1ea2c3818f4b243ff040

(390)

on August 31, 2011
at 08:43 PM

I (or anyone for that matter) could give you lots of suggestions. Truth is, I think your on the right path...it's just going to take some time to get to where you want to be. You have chosen the path less traveled, and that will make all the difference if you let it. Just follow your gut (pun intended). The joints and nervous system are very internal and it takes a while for the inflammation to work it's way out. Stay away from inflammatory stresses (chemical, emotional, and physical, such as overtraining). I'm sure this is frustrating for you, but u will get there in time.

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on August 31, 2011
at 07:49 PM

How did you get metal contamination? Fillings? I'm not really familiar with that.

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on August 31, 2011
at 07:48 PM

I do eat fruit about twice a day… sometimes more… I’m wondering if I need to cut that out. Or maybe it just needs more time… I’m not sure really. Just looking for some direction. I do have 1 or 2 old fillings I think.

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on August 31, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Yes, I have been tested for lupus (twice). It was negative. I have also been tested for celiac (blood test) which was negative… although the blood tests I hear aren’t that accurate. My rash is under control now… it took me about 6 months to shake it this time (longest I’ve had it so far), but I finally did it. Paleo is probably mostly to credit for that… and I also feel better (more energy, sleeping better, etc. after starting the Paleo diet). The hip is my only real concern now. I was hoping it would disappear with the rash, but that hasn’t been the case so far. (cont. below)

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on August 31, 2011
at 06:51 PM

does your hip hurt worse at night?

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25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on September 01, 2011
at 03:26 AM

If your hip pain is not responsive to dietary changes, get an MRI with and without contrast. It could be a labral tear.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 02, 2012
at 01:14 AM

Yeah, this is immediately what I thought of. Tearing can be undiagnosed for years if a proper MRI isn't performed.

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8f46bdba543e1ea2c3818f4b243ff040

on August 31, 2011
at 06:36 PM

It honestly sounds to me like you have some autoimmune processes going on. (has anyone checked for lupus?) many autoimmune problems are caused by one of two things. Either a toxic allergy (dairy, gluten, soy, and preservatives are the most common foods, but it could also be environmental...new carpet, for example, or some people are very sensitive to fire retardants in some new clothes...etc) the other is a stress overload. I find in my practice that lots of people who have undiagnosed symptoms such as yours are overloaded with something. Your job is to seek the cause. Treating symptoms, in this case, doesn't usually do much but cause problems elsewhere as toxins continue to try to get out. Address the cause, and u should find that over time the symptoms disappear. And, by the way, inflammation of the joints can also be related to this. If the Paleo diet is helping with the gut, it could be that your body is still cleansing by bringing the junk to the surface of the skin to eliminate it. (it can take up to a year for gluten, in particular to completely be released from the body). I most often recommend digestive enzymes, a good multivitamin and dairy free probiotics from a company called klaire labs (you can only get it through a healthcare practitioner) as a start. Some people also benefit from zinc for chelation (how many mercury dental fillings do you have?) check out YouTube video called smoking teeth for more info on that. Just the first things off the top of my head. Does this sound anything like you?

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on August 31, 2011
at 07:48 PM

I do eat fruit about twice a day… sometimes more… I’m wondering if I need to cut that out. Or maybe it just needs more time… I’m not sure really. Just looking for some direction. I do have 1 or 2 old fillings I think.

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on August 31, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Yes, I have been tested for lupus (twice). It was negative. I have also been tested for celiac (blood test) which was negative… although the blood tests I hear aren’t that accurate. My rash is under control now… it took me about 6 months to shake it this time (longest I’ve had it so far), but I finally did it. Paleo is probably mostly to credit for that… and I also feel better (more energy, sleeping better, etc. after starting the Paleo diet). The hip is my only real concern now. I was hoping it would disappear with the rash, but that hasn’t been the case so far. (cont. below)

8f46bdba543e1ea2c3818f4b243ff040

(390)

on August 31, 2011
at 08:43 PM

I (or anyone for that matter) could give you lots of suggestions. Truth is, I think your on the right path...it's just going to take some time to get to where you want to be. You have chosen the path less traveled, and that will make all the difference if you let it. Just follow your gut (pun intended). The joints and nervous system are very internal and it takes a while for the inflammation to work it's way out. Stay away from inflammatory stresses (chemical, emotional, and physical, such as overtraining). I'm sure this is frustrating for you, but u will get there in time.

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45d9d006aad9043254c5ade7f1349869

on September 01, 2011
at 05:10 AM

Are you sure it is not just a problem with the muscle? I had pain in my right hip for a while and a physio diagnosed me with a weak gluteaus medius muscle. I performed all of the exercises she set me and the pain went away. I think my muscles were under used because I sit down all day and they don't get used that often.

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 01, 2011
at 02:02 PM

could be, i really don't know. i sit down at work a lot also, and it seems to be worse after sitting for long periods of time. it is really strange the way it will go away almost completely sometimes and then return a few days later. Did yours do that?

45d9d006aad9043254c5ade7f1349869

(10)

on October 03, 2011
at 05:38 AM

Apologies for the late reply. I got myself a foam roller. Man does that thing hurt but it makes a massive difference and after a while it doesn't hurt so much ;-) It sounds like you have a problem with the muscle. Look up exercises for strengthening the gluteus and piriformis. Good luck.

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63eca1b335b35aa5b40a87e06e54f85c

on August 31, 2011
at 06:31 PM

It sounds like you're on the right track as far as eating goes. You may want to consider that you may also be toxic with metals as well as parasites. When I started detoxing from metals, I got a rash on my hands as well as really bad dandruff & dry skin overall. If you have an overgrowth of parasites, those can cause all kinds of issues and your leaky gut won't heal. Something to consider looking in to..

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on August 31, 2011
at 07:49 PM

How did you get metal contamination? Fillings? I'm not really familiar with that.

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782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

on July 12, 2012
at 05:03 AM

I had a similar situation. My hip hurt so badly that I could not turn over in bed easily...I don't sleep well anyway and this also kept me up. I saw a chiropracter and that helped a little but not really. Then I cut gluten out of my diet and within a couple of months I realized that my hip was not bothering me anymore! I thought that was pretty amazing and became sold on paleo. I also had a rash on my chest and abdomen that I couldn't figure out what it was caused by. I used hydrocortisone cream on it to keep it under control. Well, that's disappeared too since cutting out the gluten. I did come back once when I think I accidently ate something with wheat in it but generally no more problems with that now. I also had some eczema clear up. I'd guess your problem is with the gluten and maybe with a little more time you'll find that your pain and rash clear up. Good luck!

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on July 12, 2012
at 01:54 AM

As soon as I read "chest rash", I wanted to grab the yeast prescriptions. That one symptom has alerted me to the fact that I was infected with candida, for decades. Ask your doctor about ketoconazole. You also could have some pus in your intestines, so Cipro might be the answer to what may be secondary gunk. I wonder if you have hot, traveling pain that nags at the pelvis, muscle, skin, and gut, agony that's unfortunately all too familiar. My best advice for the time after you're cured is to get off of carbs and sugars (they promote yeast infections), and take lots of various probiotics without fail. Good luck.

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3408e1d1c7d6b49fca2edb96b433ff9b

on March 01, 2012
at 10:21 PM

My mother is celiac and yes Gluten toiletries can cause severe reactions. I have recently gone gluten free, and on a paleo diet am feeling better. But I am fruit intolerant and having a very difficult time finding skin lotion.

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43d33eea1cbc69af32352b1753a40458

on September 01, 2011
at 04:04 PM

Sounds like a gluten intolerance accompanied with inflammation. It would be a good idea to eliminate any toiletries with totem. The gluten is easily absorbed through the skin. Regarding metal toxicity, fillings, deodorants containing aluminum, dishes containing lead, etc. Can all be culprits.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on September 01, 2011
at 04:23 PM

What's totem? I'd really like to hear why you think gluten "is easily absorbed by the skin", and the mechanism by which the application of some glutenous toiletry (?) would result in hip pain -- or any other inflammatory reaction, for that matter. (Aside from an allergic one, if a true allergy were present.)

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 01, 2011
at 04:57 PM

I'm curious to hear more about this also. I thought gluten did most of it's damage in the intestine which leads to other problems. Could deoderant, hair gel, etc. really lead to these problems?

0
41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on September 01, 2011
at 05:13 AM

Any chance it's something as simple as you're sleeping on your side? I can always tell when I've slept on my left side at night because I wake up with a really pissed off shoulder and hip.

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 01, 2011
at 01:58 PM

I thought that might be it at first, and tried sleeping in different positions.. didn't really help.

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4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

on September 01, 2011
at 12:19 AM

my hip pain is gone since going gluten free,sugar free and fruit free. I cut out EVERY grain.corn included. My inflammation is gone. I also eat grass fed beef, venison,.range free chicken and eggs.

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

(961)

on September 01, 2011
at 11:30 PM

Two to three months. Then I had a 2 inch sliver of home made apple pie. I woke up the next day with swollen knees and hip pain...It took a week for the pain to go away that time. No way will I do THAT again.

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

(961)

on September 02, 2011
at 02:39 PM

I have not noticed That because of the candida, I don't eat fruit. I take a 1/8 teaspoon of powdered nystatin in a 1/4th of a cup of warm water, swish it around and swallow so it goes all through my intestinal tract

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 01, 2011
at 01:59 PM

how long after altering your diet did it take your pain to go away?

Cd3f369934d5449d804b0a248914439b

(35)

on September 02, 2011
at 12:54 PM

Does the pain come back if you eat fruit now? I eat a fair amount of fruit... other than that, I have pretty much been following your diet.

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