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How can you tell if your gut is really healed?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created November 14, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I've been mostly paleo since August, I've gotten things wrong from time to time but I'm at the point where I'm dead set on a strict Paleo diet.

Should I mark a specific day (like today) on the calendar and then make 100% sure I don't ingest any gluten afflicted products for 6 weeks (my mentor (basically) said it takes 6 weeks of absolutely no gluten for your gut to heal )? I've had yam fries at restaurants that is all but guaranteed me a reset on my GF timespan.

Any thoughts, tips? How do you know if you're good to try out gluten products again? I don't think I had a leaky gut or anything, but I want to for sure see how my gut does with gluten after a full-removal.

I'm going to stop eating out for the rest of the year, just as a guarantee.

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on November 17, 2012
at 01:30 AM

I miss beer sometimes. But sadly, I cannot drink it.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 16, 2012
at 11:34 PM

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on November 16, 2012
at 12:08 PM

I see no reason to eat grains even if you aren't celiac, or intolerant. We have far better food choices that are more nutrient dense and do not cause damage to our gut lining. I dislike Paleo 'treats' or as I call them, 'frankenfoods', and cheat days...well, in my experience, are NOT worth it! (But I *am* gluten-intolerant). I'd rather eat dark chocolate and a glass of wine, and that's not really a cheat, either. Even though chocolate is high in phytic acid. I don't care. You can't take chocolate away from me. CHOCOLATE OR DEATH.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on November 16, 2012
at 08:53 AM

you can learn, that is a skill. a type of meditation. it is subjective, the point is not to vilify subjective perception, but more to increase subjective clarity.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:29 PM

I've found it mostly unclear, mostly due to this website, whether or not going gluten-free 100% of the time is necessary unless you have a gluten intolerance or celiac disease. This board is very grey whatwith the different camps (Primal & Paleo), and people that just don't know what the hell they're talking about. I don't understand "cheat days" or "paleo-fied" treats. Just #swypo (http://whole9life.com/2011/10/sex-with-your-pants-on/), and it can't be good for short or long term commitment to the lifestyle.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:26 PM

This is great! Thank you. I've just been gradually becoming more and more strict as A. my knowledge of goodness and badness is expanded and; B. my cooking and preparation (and planning) skills improve. Basically, I think the only time I ever fall off the boat is when I have sweet potato fries at restaurants as they are not only deep-fryed, but in the same oil as breaded products. That should be about it though.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:23 PM

If I'm going to break my gluten fast - I'm eating an entire god damn pizza. :)

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:22 PM

This helps - some sort of measurable "achievable" goals is at least a way of knowing if you're on the right track. Thank you for this.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:21 PM

I feel like I'm not, and never have been, very conscious of my body. I'm not very aware of when I'm not feeling well and when I am. The whole "mirror-check" instead of using a scale and bf% doesn't jive with me - subjective as hell IMO.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:18 PM

Also, 6 weeks is just how much time it takes for your system to calm down (inflammation) after a gluten exposure IF you are gluten sensitive. It heals nothing. Only a few years on real food and possibly taking it further and going on a strict autoimmune protocol like GAPS, Terry Wahls, or Robb Wolf's plan and frequent ingestion of probiotic rich fermented foods probiotic pills and maybe even something extreme like a fecal transplant is going to improve this. Anything else is just managing symptoms.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:11 PM

Just as an addendum... I know maybe 2 people who accomplished this. Most of us are probably just going to spend the rest of our lives managing symptoms and trying to heal. It is very difficult if not impossible to completely heal a totally messed up gut environment. Just being born a c-section baby or being fed formula can screw you up from the very beginning and that's not even counting spending a childhood eating teddy grahams and transfat laden peanut butter sandwiches on wonderbread.

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on November 15, 2012
at 01:05 PM

Because it's such a new concept I don't know if there's an actual perfection point one can reach but signs you have regained good gut function would be healthy bowel movements 1-2 times a day with a 4 on the Bristol scale. No longer feeling heaviness, bloat, or discomfort after eating fermentable carbohydrates or other "normal" foods that aren't outright abuses of nature (processed food.) Complete eradication of autoimunne symptoms and allergies of any sort. Good cholesterol ratios, vitamin D around 45 or higher, headaches or other minor but frequent issues would be gone, and energy levels would be restored. Colds, flu and other "minor illnesses" will become very infrequent... like once every couple years, etc I might be missing something but the few people I have spoken with that claim to have cured their leaky gut issues with Paleo, GAPS, or another auto-immune protocols no longer complain of any of the above.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:11 PM

Just as an addendum... I know maybe 2 people who accomplished this. Most of us are probably just going to spend the rest of our lives managing symptoms and trying to heal. It is very difficult if not impossible to completely heal a totally messed up gut environment. Just being born a c-section baby or being fed formula can screw you up from the very beginning and that's not even counting spending a childhood eating teddy grahams and transfat laden peanut butter sandwiches on wonderbread.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:22 PM

This helps - some sort of measurable "achievable" goals is at least a way of knowing if you're on the right track. Thank you for this.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on November 15, 2012
at 01:18 PM

Also, 6 weeks is just how much time it takes for your system to calm down (inflammation) after a gluten exposure IF you are gluten sensitive. It heals nothing. Only a few years on real food and possibly taking it further and going on a strict autoimmune protocol like GAPS, Terry Wahls, or Robb Wolf's plan and frequent ingestion of probiotic rich fermented foods probiotic pills and maybe even something extreme like a fecal transplant is going to improve this. Anything else is just managing symptoms.

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74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

on November 14, 2012
at 10:06 PM

This is a great question. This past summer, I was diagnosed with having multiple food allergies, including eggs, dairy, kale, turmeric, amoung other wonderful foods.

Stay strict; it isn't easy, but once you find a rhythm and a pattern to your eating, it becomes much easier. You may find yourself eating just to have fuel; god knows, I do not enjoy eating sardines, but the avocado I inhale after as the second part of breakfast makes up for it.

I'd stay strict for at least 6 months; I have had gluten since going allergen-free and the results have been abdominal cramping, gas, and running to the bathroom for uh, well...you know. It's not worth it.

I too have stopped eating out, except for the odd time my wifey and I have middle-eastern or Greek. It's liberating in some ways: you can buy your own food, cook it your own way, and know exactly what you ate; and secondly, it tastes better, and is cheaper.

Read labels! Gluten is everywhere: in soy sauce, pre-made sausages, and other things. Become anal about what you eat, and your body will thank you for it.

While you're strict, eat nutrient dense foods, especially liver. Don't overcook it! Try your hand at making bone broth, and make it super tasty by adding your favourite herbs, garlic and onions. The tastier, the more likely you are to drink it :)

I realize I haven't really answered the 'how do you know you're ready?' question; I suppose you don't. But give it at least 6 months; I've fallen off the wagon a few times, and have paid for it. You may never be able to ingest gluten if you are in fact, intolerant as I am. There are worse things in life: imagine being allergic to BACON!

DEATH WOULD BE IMMINENT!

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on November 17, 2012
at 01:30 AM

I miss beer sometimes. But sadly, I cannot drink it.

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on November 16, 2012
at 12:08 PM

I see no reason to eat grains even if you aren't celiac, or intolerant. We have far better food choices that are more nutrient dense and do not cause damage to our gut lining. I dislike Paleo 'treats' or as I call them, 'frankenfoods', and cheat days...well, in my experience, are NOT worth it! (But I *am* gluten-intolerant). I'd rather eat dark chocolate and a glass of wine, and that's not really a cheat, either. Even though chocolate is high in phytic acid. I don't care. You can't take chocolate away from me. CHOCOLATE OR DEATH.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 16, 2012
at 11:34 PM

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:26 PM

This is great! Thank you. I've just been gradually becoming more and more strict as A. my knowledge of goodness and badness is expanded and; B. my cooking and preparation (and planning) skills improve. Basically, I think the only time I ever fall off the boat is when I have sweet potato fries at restaurants as they are not only deep-fryed, but in the same oil as breaded products. That should be about it though.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:29 PM

I've found it mostly unclear, mostly due to this website, whether or not going gluten-free 100% of the time is necessary unless you have a gluten intolerance or celiac disease. This board is very grey whatwith the different camps (Primal & Paleo), and people that just don't know what the hell they're talking about. I don't understand "cheat days" or "paleo-fied" treats. Just #swypo (http://whole9life.com/2011/10/sex-with-your-pants-on/), and it can't be good for short or long term commitment to the lifestyle.

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05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on November 15, 2012
at 04:56 AM

there's no such thing. just degrees or shades on a spectrum. decay is the normal state of everything alive on earth. all you can do is keep experimenting and learning and leveraging best practices. there's no guarantees, toxins are everywhere and we all have our unique weak points to manage.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on November 16, 2012
at 08:53 AM

you can learn, that is a skill. a type of meditation. it is subjective, the point is not to vilify subjective perception, but more to increase subjective clarity.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:21 PM

I feel like I'm not, and never have been, very conscious of my body. I'm not very aware of when I'm not feeling well and when I am. The whole "mirror-check" instead of using a scale and bf% doesn't jive with me - subjective as hell IMO.

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68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

(5795)

on November 14, 2012
at 10:24 PM

I'm currently doing a power-lifting program and trying to see gains being pretty strict Paleo. Do consume some nuts and dairy, so it's not completely Paleo to a T. However, I'm going 100% to my program for at least the rest of 2012. This means not eating food I don't prepare, or know EXACTLY the sourcing.

With that said, how can you do it? Pay attention. Be dogmatic. Don't let others convince sway you. Be prepared to make it a priority, both financially and socially. This goes for someone trying to treat a condition, heal their gut, attain a specific goal, etc...how much does it matter?

For something you really want in life, don't let someone else talk you out of it.

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1e1b9ee0c999428cb28b01dd63f5bde8

on November 14, 2012
at 11:51 PM

If you have been eliminating "bad foods" and want to see if gluten is an issue... then one day just try eating a few bites of bread (or something with gluten) with your meal. Wait 3 days (no more gluten products). See if there are any side effects. See guidelines for an elimination diet. I don't know how to tell if Leaky Gut is healed. I keep asking too and never get a clear answer.

977d98d9ee4a3edba0141c0b3aa018a7

(243)

on November 15, 2012
at 11:23 PM

If I'm going to break my gluten fast - I'm eating an entire god damn pizza. :)

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