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Ridiculous Blood Results

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 10, 2011 at 6:18 AM

Hi

I'm an Aussie 28 year-old male, 5'9", relatively lean 170lbs, 12 months Paleo (very strict, we really only eat recipes from the reputable Paleoheads), work out moderately 4-5 times a week. My blood pressure is 110/80, down from a higher, 135/100 (during a stressful 4 months helping my wife smash breast cancer).

About 3 months into the Paleo I had a non-fasted blood test done, it only measured total cholesterol and triglycerides, so being 12 months on I asked for another one, this time to break down the cholesterol results, it was also taken after a 12-hour fast.

Total Cholesterol: 8.3 mmol/L up from 6.6 mmol/L

Triglycerides: 0.8 mmol/L up from 0.6 mmol/L

HDL: 1.7 mmol/L

LDL: 6.2 mmol/L

I haven't changed much in the recent months, I stopped supplementing with fish-oil, don't smash myself everytime I do Crossfit, and I don't really wear my Vibram Fivefingers anymore because I got teased. Anyway, I'm not sure what to make of these results, most comparisons and explanations are referred mg/dL.

I tried my best to explain the diet to my doctor but he looked at me like an idiot, told me not to eat animal fat as much, each more "good fats" and lean meats. He also remarked that my first results were high, but the most recent total cholesterol was "ridiculous". To be honest, I was ignoring him until he said that, and I'm not too worried about having high cholesterol, but am wondering if the total cholesterol figure is ridiculous by Paleo standards. I feel great, is that enough?

Sorry to ask a question that gets asked all the time, but having the HDL/LDL breakdown this time, I thought I'd have a leg to stand on.

8c9ea35de2f7a0e7741bd8b2552aed74

on May 07, 2014
at 11:17 AM

These numbers are very close to mine. It could be genetic (ApoE4); I am still investigating this option. I kinda feel like being fat adapted means you will have more LDL moving around your blood. Is this accurate? You might try to get a C-reactive protein and LP(pla)2 test.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on December 20, 2011
at 10:06 PM

That maybe what I was thinking of. This post certainly shows that - http://thatpaleoguy.com/2011/11/12/sugar-lipoprotein-particle-size-and-the-digestibility-of-pig-fat/

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

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on December 20, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Carbs can increase the proportion of VLDL vs fluffly LDL though I believe.

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on December 20, 2011
at 07:29 PM

LDL is primarily due to saturated fat intake and genetics if I recall. Triglycerides are more due to carbs.

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on December 20, 2011
at 05:25 PM

when i see these numbers it suggest that you were not fasting in fact you were transporting fats to be stored as water insoluble fat stores on your body. thats all i can say about it because thats all that it means. Blood is a highway of transportation. a blood test is a snapshot. purely a waste of time in my opinion to measure such nonsense. your better off looking in the mirror to measure stored fats.

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on November 16, 2011
at 11:56 PM

I don't think you have much to worry about then, it's a common reaction to a high fat diet. Kwasniewski calls it a healing reaction. You can reduce your sat fat intake and see your numbers drop, but will you feel better? Or you can switch to less saturated animal fats, that could be interesting. Let us know how it goes if you do that :)

8d2921e736352c02b78b64d6805c4125

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on November 13, 2011
at 11:54 PM

Thanks mate. I'll read this, it looks interesting. I'm mostly concerned by the high total, just wondering what accounts for the big jump.

8d2921e736352c02b78b64d6805c4125

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on November 13, 2011
at 11:52 PM

I don't know the the thyroid labs, only that my doc said everything else was fine. I would probably average less the 100 grams of carbs per day. Lots of coconut, plenty of eggs, a fair amount of protein. I don't touch dairy. Recently I've been trying to add some mass, I've been eating on average 6-8 eggs per day for the last two months.

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on November 13, 2011
at 10:05 AM

What is your basis for saying that? I'm sure I have read that carbs can increase your LDL. I cant find it ATM though.

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on November 13, 2011
at 06:37 AM

Do you eat a lot of butter and/or cream?

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on November 13, 2011
at 06:32 AM

Definitely not due to carb intake.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on November 10, 2011
at 11:38 AM

Can you break down your fat sources and macronutrient intake? Do you know your thyroid labs?

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on November 10, 2011
at 11:06 AM

I also wonder if stress with your wife causes increase in Cholesterol - there are studies out there to back up that theory - sorry you are both going through this.

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on November 10, 2011
at 06:55 AM

I can't offer any actual help regarding your cholesterol numbers, but here you can convert them from mmol/l to mg/dL if that helps any when looking for information: http://www.prolipid.com/tips-and-tools/cholesterol-unit-converter.html

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286a4ff7c362241c5c4b020df4972212

on November 10, 2011
at 06:42 AM

Same boat here - my tri went down and my HDL went up to 1.8 but my LDL did too and now I am at total 7.8- BUT I am VLC and Very Low Fat too eating mostly chicken and Fish - red meat 2- 3 times a wk - no dairy.

I asked my Naturo about this and he said you need to look at your risk profile - and thats not if you smoke/drink or eat fat profile - more like what Heart scan do ( http://www.trackyourplaque.com/blog/)

Mine is fine BTW so I am going to stop worrying because its not diet related - mine is probably related to too many hormones being made at the moment - cholesterol is needed to make estrogen and such ( or its the basis of it anyway ) thats a whole other post ! LOL

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on November 10, 2011
at 07:42 AM

I converted them to the US measurement for you.

Total Cholesterol: 8.3 mmol/L = 323.7 mg/dL

LDL Cholesterol: 6.2 mmol/L = 241.8 mg/dL

HDL Cholesterol: 1.7 mmol/L = 66.3 mg/dL

Triglerides: .8 mmol/L = 71.2 mg/dL

I'm no expert, but I don't think that they look great. Your LDL is incredibly high, from what I have read this is probably from eating high carb.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on November 13, 2011
at 10:05 AM

What is your basis for saying that? I'm sure I have read that carbs can increase your LDL. I cant find it ATM though.

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(39821)

on November 13, 2011
at 06:32 AM

Definitely not due to carb intake.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

(2890)

on December 20, 2011
at 07:29 PM

LDL is primarily due to saturated fat intake and genetics if I recall. Triglycerides are more due to carbs.

Cf32992bfa1907147c7cdc451bba9c63

(2890)

on December 20, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Carbs can increase the proportion of VLDL vs fluffly LDL though I believe.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on December 20, 2011
at 10:06 PM

That maybe what I was thinking of. This post certainly shows that - http://thatpaleoguy.com/2011/11/12/sugar-lipoprotein-particle-size-and-the-digestibility-of-pig-fat/

Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

(3125)

on December 20, 2011
at 05:25 PM

when i see these numbers it suggest that you were not fasting in fact you were transporting fats to be stored as water insoluble fat stores on your body. thats all i can say about it because thats all that it means. Blood is a highway of transportation. a blood test is a snapshot. purely a waste of time in my opinion to measure such nonsense. your better off looking in the mirror to measure stored fats.

8c9ea35de2f7a0e7741bd8b2552aed74

on May 07, 2014
at 11:17 AM

These numbers are very close to mine. It could be genetic (ApoE4); I am still investigating this option. I kinda feel like being fat adapted means you will have more LDL moving around your blood. Is this accurate? You might try to get a C-reactive protein and LP(pla)2 test.

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7d01d86c539003eed77cf901bf037412

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on November 13, 2011
at 06:29 AM

Perhaps this will be of assistance:

http://thatpaleoguy.com/2011/11/12/sugar-lipoprotein-particle-size-and-the-digestibility-of-pig-fat/

I imagine that in Australia like here in NZ, LDL is all lumped together. I won't summarise Jamie's post, read it and see what you think. It could be worth investigating whether more sophisticated testing is available.

8d2921e736352c02b78b64d6805c4125

(25)

on November 13, 2011
at 11:54 PM

Thanks mate. I'll read this, it looks interesting. I'm mostly concerned by the high total, just wondering what accounts for the big jump.

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Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

on December 20, 2011
at 05:27 PM

when i see these numbers it suggest that you were not fasting in fact you were transporting fats to be stored as water insoluble fat stores on your body. thats all i can say about it because thats all that it means. Blood is a highway of transportation. a blood test is a snapshot. purely a waste of time in my opinion to measure such nonsense. your better off looking in the mirror to measure stored fa

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