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C02... How to increase? Danny Roddy?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 05, 2013 at 2:37 PM

So, I have been working with a Naturopath to try and get ahead of gut issues. I have/had what he suspected was a chronic, low grade bacterial infection for which I took some glutamine and DCL supps, anti-inflmmatories, etc for a month. I felt a lot better and then we retested blood markers. According to him, much of my bloodwork shows what he calls a sluggish liver. So, I am not able to properly digest protein and fat and my liver is stuffed up and basically not acting to full potential.

My C02 keeps showing borderline low. My Naturopath attributes it to a taxed liver/gallbladder (I dont remember specifics), but I know Danny Roddy is big on the C02 thing. I am wondering if there are any real, actionable ways to increase C02? Or if this is really not a concern? In theory an increase in C02 would increase energy, right?

The naturopath has me on a bunch of supps, enzymes and what not to try and kick the liver bac k into high gear, but I'm wondering if there is anything more I can do with the C02?

Thanks!

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 06, 2013
at 04:10 AM

Thanks! Considering my thyroid just came in at 1.02 I assume it is one of the other problems.. Or sometbing else entirely. I'll keep pounding away on those carbs. :)

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 06, 2013
at 02:06 AM

I don't avoid fructose... I eat fruit, sometimes 2 bananas a day along with some kind of citrus. I sometimes even drink citrus juice. It could be. However I tested lowish last month and then again, a bit lower this month.

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on March 06, 2013
at 12:28 AM

Per TPW: 200 grams (or a lot more) carbs (YMMV). Follow tastes for sweet, salty, protein, fat. Low CO2 may indicate low vitamin B1, calcium, thyroid, sugar, salt. Minimize stress, don't fast, eat regularly.

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on March 06, 2013
at 12:17 AM

What about fructose? Could have just been an anomaly.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 05, 2013
at 11:20 PM

No, never. I'm a carb devotee.

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(39821)

on March 05, 2013
at 08:20 PM

Are you restricting carbohydrates?

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 05, 2013
at 07:53 PM

Right, I guess I am wondering how much. I am not sugar/fruit/carb phobic like most folks here and so do eat a fair amount of carbs and fruit. It confuses me a bit that my C02 would be consistently low.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 05, 2013
at 07:52 PM

Yah, I am taking betaine HCL along with a host of enzymes, minerals, etc. I guess I should have asked the C02 question separately, but I like to give a little background. Thanks for your thoughts.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 05, 2013
at 07:42 PM

Yowza. Why so much snark? And why do you say Broscience? I generally equate broscience with supps for gettin' swole. He is anything but that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 05, 2013
at 03:00 PM

I am not positive but I think Roddy says that glucose metabolism and not fat metabolism is the primary means by which one increases endogenous Co2 production.

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Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

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on March 05, 2013
at 07:16 PM

According to The Peat Whisperer, Roddy/Peat would advocate sugar/fructose (e.g. white sugar, orange juice) to support CO2 production.

Whole body and splanchnic oxygen consumption and blood flow after oral ingestion of fructose or glucose

Compared with glucose, fructose ingestion is accompanied by a more marked rise in CO2 production

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

(1211)

on March 06, 2013
at 12:28 AM

Per TPW: 200 grams (or a lot more) carbs (YMMV). Follow tastes for sweet, salty, protein, fat. Low CO2 may indicate low vitamin B1, calcium, thyroid, sugar, salt. Minimize stress, don't fast, eat regularly.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 06, 2013
at 04:10 AM

Thanks! Considering my thyroid just came in at 1.02 I assume it is one of the other problems.. Or sometbing else entirely. I'll keep pounding away on those carbs. :)

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 05, 2013
at 07:53 PM

Right, I guess I am wondering how much. I am not sugar/fruit/carb phobic like most folks here and so do eat a fair amount of carbs and fruit. It confuses me a bit that my C02 would be consistently low.

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Medium avatar

on March 05, 2013
at 06:42 PM

Probably doesn't matter, but if you want to increase the co2 in your blood, just eat more carbohydrates. Trying to take enzyme inhibitors or "reduce breathing" is utterly absurd.

BTW, your naturopath may have studied at the school of broscience.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 06, 2013
at 12:17 AM

What about fructose? Could have just been an anomaly.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 05, 2013
at 07:42 PM

Yowza. Why so much snark? And why do you say Broscience? I generally equate broscience with supps for gettin' swole. He is anything but that.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 05, 2013
at 11:20 PM

No, never. I'm a carb devotee.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 05, 2013
at 08:20 PM

Are you restricting carbohydrates?

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 06, 2013
at 02:06 AM

I don't avoid fructose... I eat fruit, sometimes 2 bananas a day along with some kind of citrus. I sometimes even drink citrus juice. It could be. However I tested lowish last month and then again, a bit lower this month.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on March 05, 2013
at 07:42 PM

Sufficient protein, milk thistle, dandelion root tincture all support healthy liver function.

A betaine HCL supplement may be useful short-term to help with meat digestion.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on March 05, 2013
at 07:52 PM

Yah, I am taking betaine HCL along with a host of enzymes, minerals, etc. I guess I should have asked the C02 question separately, but I like to give a little background. Thanks for your thoughts.

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A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on March 05, 2013
at 04:48 PM

Carbonic anhydrase is an enzyme that catalzyes the conversion of CO2 to bicarbonate. Danny Roddy has suggested inhibiting this enzyme to increase CO2. There are a couple of natural carbonic anhydrase inhibitors, like punicalagin and granatin B, found in pomegranates of all things.

"A Comprehensive Review of Punica granatum (Pomegranate) Properties in Toxicological, Pharmacological, Cellular and Molecular Biology Researches"

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on March 05, 2013
at 04:39 PM

Mineral water. You can buy CO2, but you can also ferment stuff. Yeast is happy to make it. I was making apple cider and thinking about this soon after watching the video Danny posted with Ray Peat talking about CO2. I was using a balloon with a few pin holes in it as an airlock over the bottle.
You can also breathe into a paper bag, like they suggest for people who are hyperventilating.

Here is the Peat/CO2 video, in case you missed it.

As to effectiveness- I don't know. The mineral water seems to be a pick me up, so I continue to drink it. I still imagine a Peat/Kruse experience in a plexiglass tank, with cold, CO2, essentially recreating high altitude conditions, and with red light everywhere. We'd have to sign a waiver, but if we got out of the experience alive, we'd feel like we were on top of the world.

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on March 05, 2013
at 08:01 PM

We have been using this for years:

https://www.herbdoc.com//index.php/Store/5-Day-Liver-Detox-Program

you can order two or three and do it as many times as you need.

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on March 05, 2013
at 03:18 PM

Exercise and reduced breathing

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