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Help me with my incessant (seemingly incurable) joint pain please!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 13, 2012 at 4:43 AM

It seems that no matter what diet I have or what exercise I choose, I ALWAYS end up with knee and hip joint pain. Ever since I started crossfit (from kickboxing) it just seems to be constant. I've seen a chiropractor, I take joint supplements and I eat a very clean diet. I've rested well from my exercise plan and I've even had xrays taken of my knees. Everything comes across as less than helpful. I just ordered new minimalist shoes in a last ditch effort. Good grief I'm only 21! Help!!!

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on March 13, 2012
at 05:18 PM

I need to get a foam roller.

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on March 13, 2012
at 04:08 PM

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at 04:00 PM

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at 02:22 PM

So good, but so very bad at the same time. Foam roller on a virgin IT band feels not so great.

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on March 13, 2012
at 02:13 PM

I think the foam roller is the best thing since sliced bread. Heh.

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on March 13, 2012
at 02:09 PM

I'd guess nightshades are not the first culprit. Your pain is specific, not multi-joint, correct? Knee pain in younguns' often is helped by very very specific physical therapy. See http://paindatabase.com/nightshades/ for some citations on nightshades and pain.

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on March 13, 2012
at 08:30 AM

I hope it isn't chocolate as well!!!

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on March 13, 2012
at 07:17 AM

To complement the bone broth, if you don't have time to make it or don't make enough, you could try collagen powder from Great Lakes. Bone broth and collagen supply a different amino acid profile than muscle meat and can really make a difference for those issues, it's the first thing I'd try.

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on March 13, 2012
at 07:16 AM

To complement the bone broth, if you don't have time to make or don't make enough, you could try collagen powder from Great Lakes. Bone broth and collagen supply a different amino acid profile than muscle read and can really make a difference for those issues, it's the first thing I'd try.

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on March 13, 2012
at 05:21 AM

Thank you. I hope it's not chocolate. There would be no point in life anymore!

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on March 13, 2012
at 05:20 AM

Could be fruit as well. I can not eat raw apples...

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at 05:20 AM

I updated my post. i added chocolate in there just in case you did not list it...

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on March 13, 2012
at 05:15 AM

I'll look into it. I practically dump tomato sauce on anything and everything and eating stirfry without peppers is a sin in my book. Never thought of that! Thank you!

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on March 13, 2012
at 05:07 AM

Could it be nightshades?

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at 05:03 AM

Sure! Thank you! I do a lot of weight lifting, which always seems to help during, but the more sedentary I am the worse it hurts. Sharp pain. Anyway, on any given day I will consume 3Tb of coconut oil, a sweet potato, vegetable stirfry with chicken, eggs, an apple, almonds and another meat dish. It always averages around 2000 calories by the end of the day.

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 13, 2012
at 01:57 PM

In my experience, this would be a good (partial) list of things to consider.

  1. IT Band- roll it with a foam roller or "The Stick"

  2. VMO strengthening- Do exercises around every other day. Eccentric training of the patellar ligament also helps this. Use a decline board to tilt your feet down, and build up to using one leg and a weighted backpack.

  3. Eat Tendon- This is the most direct way to get goodies like collagen. Followed by bone broth and glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM/hyoluronic acid supplements. Or powder (potentially hydrolyzed) beef or pig gelatin. You can buy tendon in Chinatown. Oxtails and chicken feet are good too!

  4. Trigger point massage- you can find a practitioner by asking massage therapists in your area. Trigger points around the knees and hams can screw with proper motion and cause kneecap tracking to go wack. Or buy the trigger point manual online and try it yourself.

  5. Standing desk- You can vary your desk setup. Stand, sit, kneel, walk a little, dance. Most injuries are probably related to repetitive motion, so variable motion is a therapy. You can build a cheap one out of adjustable ikea desk legs.

There are several things you can try at the next level as well, that are more costly. But these and the suggestions of other posters are free/cheap starters. Note that I'm going to be writing an article on knee pain next month on my brand spanking new website that covers the evidence supporting different therapies. First up was nightshades, which I'm guessing are not your problem, but might as well try that too. Good luck!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:22 PM

So good, but so very bad at the same time. Foam roller on a virgin IT band feels not so great.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on March 13, 2012
at 02:13 PM

I think the foam roller is the best thing since sliced bread. Heh.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 13, 2012
at 04:08 PM

Hi Matthew-Honey-guide.com. I am indeed running an online Audrey Tautou dominatrix service. All will be revealed in the summer of 2012 :)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on March 13, 2012
at 04:00 PM

Kamal-PainDatabase? Are you know running an online Audrey Tautou dominatrix service?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on March 13, 2012
at 05:18 PM

I need to get a foam roller.

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on March 13, 2012
at 05:05 AM

If you can tolerate dairy, try raw, grassfed milk & yogurt. If not, try making ghee from grassfed (Kerrygold) butter. Milk from grassfed animals is high in glucosamine. Also, learn to make good bone broth from knuckle bones & chicken feet.

Ef089e1180f240aa9fd2d089f7f38b45

(279)

on March 13, 2012
at 07:16 AM

To complement the bone broth, if you don't have time to make or don't make enough, you could try collagen powder from Great Lakes. Bone broth and collagen supply a different amino acid profile than muscle read and can really make a difference for those issues, it's the first thing I'd try.

Ef089e1180f240aa9fd2d089f7f38b45

(279)

on March 13, 2012
at 07:17 AM

To complement the bone broth, if you don't have time to make it or don't make enough, you could try collagen powder from Great Lakes. Bone broth and collagen supply a different amino acid profile than muscle meat and can really make a difference for those issues, it's the first thing I'd try.

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on March 13, 2012
at 12:43 PM

Lots of good suggestions.

My experience (at 49) is that all my joint pain/aches went away on Omega 3 & D3 supplementation. I use Neptune Krill Oil 1000 mg and Carlson's Solar D Gems (enough to get my blood level to sufficiency.)

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on March 13, 2012
at 06:12 AM

How tight is your IT band? I have both hip & knee issues but it isn't from what I'm eating. Rather, I have piriformis issues that affect my hips, IT band & then knees (basically where the IT band connects). Standing/sitting for long periods of time as well as over-use can really make it flare up. Piriformus syndrome is the official name so could be worth investigating. I suggest also doing a search on piriformus stretches as they really help!

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on March 13, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Are you sure that the joint pain relates to your workouts? I have severe joint pain too and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. It seems to come and go. My knees have been hurting for two weeks straight, but I woke up this morning and the pain is gone. One thing I'm trying to pay attention to it my cycle and how it relates to the pain. Progesterone can cause joint pain and it is elevated at certain points in your cycle (I think between ovulation and menstruation).

Good luck trying to figure it all out. I know how frustrating it can be.

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on March 13, 2012
at 12:13 PM

I agree with the last contributor. Physical Therapists are the musculoskeletal experts( muscles, tendon, joints, bones) There are many that Cross fit as well. Find one that understands what you do. In reading your post quickly, I am certain that you will benefit.

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on March 13, 2012
at 10:00 AM

See a physical therapist. They are experts on this

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on March 13, 2012
at 05:45 AM

If removing nightshades doesn't help, please get evaluated by a doc. I have a rare genetic condition that makes for joint pain. It's unlikely, but certainly possible.

Also, I recommend Pete Egoscue, his book is Pain Free - A revolutionary method for stopping chronic pain. He was in a lot of pain and getting no help, so he started to help himself. He studied the biomechanics of the body and has developed exercises to help your body align itself. A lot of women have hip and knee pain and it can be from alignment being off.

[edit- don't know if you're female or not, but just noting, because women's hips are wider, they can tend to misalign. But the book is awesome for anyone.]

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on March 13, 2012
at 04:58 AM

You might try brisk walking and weight lifting. Could you post what you eat each day? There may be something that jumps out...

EDIT: Try without the night shades first. However it might be the sweet potato, chocolate or almonds as well.

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on March 13, 2012
at 05:20 AM

I updated my post. i added chocolate in there just in case you did not list it...

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 13, 2012
at 08:30 AM

I hope it isn't chocolate as well!!!

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 13, 2012
at 05:20 AM

Could be fruit as well. I can not eat raw apples...

938c35148bb17d8f8b2c62c9a46c783b

(135)

on March 13, 2012
at 05:03 AM

Sure! Thank you! I do a lot of weight lifting, which always seems to help during, but the more sedentary I am the worse it hurts. Sharp pain. Anyway, on any given day I will consume 3Tb of coconut oil, a sweet potato, vegetable stirfry with chicken, eggs, an apple, almonds and another meat dish. It always averages around 2000 calories by the end of the day.

938c35148bb17d8f8b2c62c9a46c783b

(135)

on March 13, 2012
at 05:21 AM

Thank you. I hope it's not chocolate. There would be no point in life anymore!

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