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Yoyo Ketosis and bad feelings?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 05, 2011 at 3:21 PM

I was in Ketosis for bit of time, then I dropped out of it for maybe 3 days while having a few drinks and about 3 bites of candy. What I mean by few drinks is one Baileys and milk a day over a three day period, making 3 drinks in whole and 3 bites of candy. It knocked me out of ketosis.

Now here's the part I wonder about. Today and yesterday I have been working towards getting back into ketosis. Yesterday I felt sick to my stomach from the fat and threw-up and today I feel depressed, tired, angry, and stressed/anxiety.

What is making me react like this? It never happened before. Please hack!

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

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on February 28, 2012
at 02:08 PM

Glad I read this. Most of my low-carb forays have not been consistent as I end up having something full of carbs--like a large white potato--after just a week or two.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

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on August 07, 2011
at 12:49 AM

If you really want to 'prime the keto pump', I would couple fasting with some sort of aerobic exercise, like running/sprinting, essentially using up glycogen that you probably stored during the carb reintroduction. I don't know if it works that way, but it's a nice thought.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 06, 2011
at 06:04 AM

Thanks for the tip! I will keep this in mind, sounds like just what I need.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 05, 2011
at 10:16 PM

Thanks, Uggla; I'm glad you're feeling better now.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:32 PM

That's interesting and useful, Bristlebeard. I don't plan on coming out of keto anytime soon, but if I do, I'll remember this strategy and try it when I re-enter. Since fasting is ketotic in itself, I wonder if it's priming the keto-pump, so to speak.

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:11 PM

I would like to add that I had been in Ketosis for about a month before the drinks.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:11 PM

I would liek to add that I had been in Ketosis for about a month. Before the drinks.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:08 PM

I felt really heavy after eating coconut oil and having a decaf with cream in the night. I felt really heavy and my stomach felt over full even though I did not eat that much. Then I became ill. I ate the same tonight and have no urge to puke, so I do not think it was food poisoning.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 05, 2011
at 04:06 PM

Thank you Rose for the information, you are always the best!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:44 PM

After my big answer below, it also occurred to me that throwing up is a pretty unusual symptom -- the others sound like classic yoyo ketosis, but not barfing. Could you have gotten some kind of food poisoning?

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 05, 2011
at 03:39 PM

I think it's probable that dipping in and out of (deep) ketosis is suboptimal. Stephan Phinney, whose research focuses on ketogenic diets, says adaptation to deep ketosis can take three weeks or longer:

Adaptation

The most obvious of these is the time allotted (or not) for keto-adaptation. In this context, the prescient observation of Schwatka (that adaptation to "a diet of reindeer meat" takes 2???3 weeks) says it all. None of the comparative low-carbohydrate versus high-carbohydrate studies done in support of the carbohydrate loading hypothesis sustained the low carbohydrate diet for more than 2 weeks [5], and most (including the classic report of Christensen and Hansen [2]) maintained their low-carbohydrate diets for 7 days or less.

There are to date no studies that carefully examine the optimum length of this keto-adapataion period, but it is clearly longer than one week and likely well advanced within 3???4 weeks. The process does not appear to happen any faster in highly trained athletes than in overweight or untrained individuals. This adaptation process also appears to require consistent adherence to carbohydrate restriction, as people who intermittently consume carbohydrates while attempting a ketogenic diet report subjectively reduced exercise tolerance.

He and his co-author Volek offer a little more detail regarding why that might be in their new book, The Art and Science of Low-Carbohydrate Living:

Within a few days of starting on carbohydrate restriction, most people begin excreting ketones in their urine. This occurs before serum [blood] ketones have risen to their stable adapted level because un-adapted renal tubules actively secrete beta-hyroxybutyrate and acetoacetate [two forms of ketones] into the urine. This is the same pathway that clears other organic acids like uric acid, vitamin C, and penicillin from the serum.

Meanwhile the body is undergoing a complex set of adaptations in ketone metabolism. Beta-hydroxybutyrate and acetoacetate are made in the liver in about equal proportions, and both are initially promptly oxidized by muscle. But over a matter of weeks, the muscles stop using these ketones for fuel. Instead, muscle cells take up acetoacetate, reduce it to beta-hydroxybutyrate, and return it back into the circulation. Thus after a few weeks, the major form in the circulation is beta-hydroxybutryate, which also happens to be the ketone preferred by the brain cells (as an aside, the strips that test for ketones in the urine detect the presence of acetoacetate, not beta-hydroxybutyrate).

Even though most people are slightly ketotic while they sleep, deep ketosis clearly sets off a cascade of fairly major changes in the body's fuel supply flowchart. I'm not sure why it hasn't happened to you before, but my hunch is that if you're going to do VLC, you should do it pretty consistently.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on August 05, 2011
at 04:06 PM

Thank you Rose for the information, you are always the best!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on August 05, 2011
at 04:11 PM

I would liek to add that I had been in Ketosis for about a month. Before the drinks.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 10:16 PM

Thanks, Uggla; I'm glad you're feeling better now.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on February 28, 2012
at 02:08 PM

Glad I read this. Most of my low-carb forays have not been consistent as I end up having something full of carbs--like a large white potato--after just a week or two.

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Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

on August 05, 2011
at 04:17 PM

I usually just fast for at least a day when I want to recover from coming out of keto. Usually for me all the food I would eat just isn't as appealing as before, and I don't really feel that hungry, although this is the day after drinking beer/eating some carbs. By the next day my appetite has usually returned, and I'm back enjoying my high-fat meals.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on August 06, 2011
at 06:04 AM

Thanks for the tip! I will keep this in mind, sounds like just what I need.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 05, 2011
at 04:32 PM

That's interesting and useful, Bristlebeard. I don't plan on coming out of keto anytime soon, but if I do, I'll remember this strategy and try it when I re-enter. Since fasting is ketotic in itself, I wonder if it's priming the keto-pump, so to speak.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on August 07, 2011
at 12:49 AM

If you really want to 'prime the keto pump', I would couple fasting with some sort of aerobic exercise, like running/sprinting, essentially using up glycogen that you probably stored during the carb reintroduction. I don't know if it works that way, but it's a nice thought.

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on May 17, 2014
at 01:57 AM

It's possible that your liver is weak, not being able to deal with the fat and maybe it has to deal with some toxins so it's overloaded. I strongly recommend turmeric tea for this. It has helped me a lot. Try not to eat much fat for a couple of days, but keep your protein moderate and low carb (that means a low calorie diet for few days), drink turmeric tea (a big mug) at least 3 times a day (first thing in the morning). I hope this helps.

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8fdf82794da3ed380f6e58b4cd909a9b

on May 16, 2014
at 08:44 PM

Well this is not much of an answer except that I am experiencing something similar. I have been in ketosis for about 2 weeks or so. Mother's Day came and I ate a little of this and that. I have not attempted to get back into ketosis since then (about 4-5 days) The last 2 days I have been sick with nausea, headaches, irritability. I believe my body wants to go back to the ketosis mode. I had a lot of energy and clarity while I was there. So, I'm going back.

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on August 31, 2011
at 01:04 PM

Can somebody say if i stop being in ketosis, wil i start storing fat/protein/ carbs..should i start excercising more intensely not to put the weight back on?

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