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Will This Drink Knock Me Out Of Keto?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 15, 2012 at 6:04 AM

Im in ketosis and LOVING it. I took a stupid chance and drank a Monster Green Tea Rehab. It has only 8 carbs in a can. I realize I will find out in the morning if it threw me out of ketosis BUT I need to get some feedback for future decisions. This drink has pineapple juice and fructose listed as the first two or so ingredients but it couldnt possibly been a lot since the whole can only has 8 carbs. So my question is the 8 carbs from the fructose in this drink different than the 8 carbs in greek yogurt? Could it trigger an insulin response because it is liquid, and there is no protein with it?

Ed581d640256a4d2d9b25140df020843

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on June 16, 2012
at 04:03 PM

Here here. I get thrown out of ketosis if I eat more than about 120 grams of protien per day. I aim for 80.

Ed581d640256a4d2d9b25140df020843

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on June 16, 2012
at 04:01 PM

No I swear it was an fluke. Just so tired of water. BTW, did NOT go out of ketosis.

Ed581d640256a4d2d9b25140df020843

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on June 16, 2012
at 03:59 PM

ok. I get it. What do you mean ketosis is either in or out. I thought it was like being pregnant. You are not ever a little pregnant. Is it true that the more purple the stick is the more fat you are burning? That is a common belief. I thought it was a myth.

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on June 15, 2012
at 04:11 PM

I'm not sure that "most people" do cyclic-low carb. It might be true in the body-building community, but lots of us do permanent keto for other reasons (in my case diabetes). If you listen to Phinney and now even Volek, they suggest not breaking your keto-adaption, because it takes so long to get back in.

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on June 15, 2012
at 01:01 PM

I didn't know that magnesium could lactate.

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on June 15, 2012
at 07:20 AM

Yes. It also depends on how much protein you are eating. If you go much over 18% by calories, that can generate enough glucose by gluconeogenesis to significantly reduce the depth of your ketosis.

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on June 15, 2012
at 07:15 AM

Hahah sue. There are ALOT of ingredients in there!

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on June 15, 2012
at 06:50 AM

The one with these ingredients? FILTERED WATER, LEMON JUICE CONCENTRATE, GLUCOSE, TAURINE, CITRIC ACID, SODIUM CITRATE, BLACK TEA EXTRACT, PANAX GINSENG ROOT EXTRACT, NATURAL FLAVOR, MAGNESIUM LACTATE, MONOPOTASSIUM PHOSPHATE, CALCIUM LACTATE, CAFFEINE, SUCRALOSE, CONCENTRATED COCONUT WATER, NIACINAMIDE, SODIUM CHLORIDE, PANTOTHENIC ACID, QUERCETIN, L-CARNITINE L-TARTRATE, GLUCURONOLACTONE, GUARANA SEED EXTRACT, INOSITOL, ACESULFAME POTASSIUM, ACAI EXTRACT, GOJI BERRY EXTRACT, MANGOSTEEN EXTRACT, PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE, CYANOCOBALAMIN Not sure ketosis should be the main concern here?

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on June 15, 2012
at 07:14 AM

It shouldn't. Logically it doesn't matter where the carbs are from. As long as you are doing less than 50grams a day you should be fine.

HOWEVER people have different thresholds meaning that some people get kicked out of ketosis with less than 40 grams a day of carbs so you probably have to experiment.

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on June 15, 2012
at 07:20 AM

Yes. It also depends on how much protein you are eating. If you go much over 18% by calories, that can generate enough glucose by gluconeogenesis to significantly reduce the depth of your ketosis.

Ed581d640256a4d2d9b25140df020843

(90)

on June 16, 2012
at 04:03 PM

Here here. I get thrown out of ketosis if I eat more than about 120 grams of protien per day. I aim for 80.

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on June 15, 2012
at 07:18 AM

It depends on how many other carbs you have eaten (or drunk).

If you want to fuel your brain through glucose, you'll need to supply it with about 120g of glucose from carbs and/or gluconeogenesis (the breakdown of protein and fat).

If you supply it with less than this, then your liver will produce ketones to fuel it. Since 8g carbs is much less than 120g then you still be in ketosis, unless you are eating other carbohydrates, or huge quanitites of protein. If you are eating and drinking less than 30g of carb a day, then you are certainly "in ketosis".

There are obviously different levels of ketosis, and it's not the "in" or "out" binary state that some people suggest (based on whether their ketostix turn purple).

As Suz said, considering the ingredients list of the drink, it sounds like your "Green Tea Rehab" will put you in rehab, if you keep drinking this shit.

Ed581d640256a4d2d9b25140df020843

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on June 16, 2012
at 03:59 PM

ok. I get it. What do you mean ketosis is either in or out. I thought it was like being pregnant. You are not ever a little pregnant. Is it true that the more purple the stick is the more fat you are burning? That is a common belief. I thought it was a myth.

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on June 15, 2012
at 03:48 PM

You asked, "could it trigger an insulin response because it's liquid and there's no protein with it?"

protein will illicit an insulin response as well. It will not likely lead to high blood sugar, but it could lead to low blood sugar when in the absence of carbohydrates. I have a friend who has diabetes and he had never tried whey protein before but wanted to. So I gave him a scoop (20-30g) and got low blood sugar (it was Dymatize Iso-100, which is pure hydrolyzed whey protein isolate, so it is a very fast digesting amino acid matrix).

"Always eat your carbs with protein" is a popular phrase among fitness-minded individuals, and this is because the extra insulin response from protein, coupled with the one from the carb, will theoretically help "shuttle" both amino acids and glucose in to the muscle, where it's beneficial for athletic performance, and consequently, aesthetics.

I think it depends on how full your liver glycogen stores are at the time and if you have a healthy enough liver to deal with 8g of fructose. My guess is that you will be fine.

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on June 15, 2012
at 02:50 PM

I agree with what the others have said - 2 quick things. 1) What ever carbs you eat will be used as fuel, and will therefore reduce the bodies need for ketones. Most people these days do a cyclic low carb, where for a day or two of each week they re-feed. This works well for some people, but it depends on your situation. If you are very overweight, or metabolically deranged you need to be extra careful of insulin spikes (ie no liquid foods). 2) If you really like that drink (and aren't majorly insulin resistant) you can always try cutting it with water. I used to drink straight juice from time to time, but it was jacking up my system - now I do about 2/3 water and 1/3 juice. Because I'm so low carb that still tastes really sweet - with 1/3 the carbs! Good luck!

B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on June 15, 2012
at 04:11 PM

I'm not sure that "most people" do cyclic-low carb. It might be true in the body-building community, but lots of us do permanent keto for other reasons (in my case diabetes). If you listen to Phinney and now even Volek, they suggest not breaking your keto-adaption, because it takes so long to get back in.

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