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Where do "we" stand as regards ketosis?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 03, 2011 at 8:51 PM

There has been lots of shifting around in the paleo community lately as to adding in more carbs, eating more starchy tubers, etc. Lots of smoke and noise. So, where does that leave us, in your opinion, as regards ketosis as (1) a method of fat loss or (2) a way of life. Good, bad, indifferent?

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on July 07, 2011
at 09:56 PM

The more I study, the more I discover there is no consensus on *anything* in the paleo world.

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on July 05, 2011
at 03:27 PM

+1 on Ambimorph's comment. Thank you, Ambimorph!

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on July 05, 2011
at 02:38 PM

There is no consensus. There is no "we" on this matter.

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on July 04, 2011
at 06:36 AM

Agree with Brad, we can keep bringing in new ideas as well as searching.

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on July 04, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Fair enough. I suppose I just don't think there is going to be one consensus anyhow so I don't see the point of the question. If, rather, the you're just going for more opinions, etc about ketosis I just think a search would be an easier way for you to go.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on July 03, 2011
at 11:32 PM

ben, with respect, I don't think "use the search engine" is always a one-size-fits-all answer. Information, especially in the paleosphere, shifts rapidly. A search of "potatoes" would turn up very different responses six months ago as opposed to right now.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on July 03, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Mike, I'm always curious why people feel long-term ketosis is something to avoid. I've been in continual ketosis for the last four years, barring one seven-week period when my carbs were over 60g/day, and my health has done nothing but improve. I understand if folks don't want to eat LC; that's fine. But I don't understand the concern about long-term ketosis. Here's a thread about the "dangers": http://paleohacks.com/questions/25449/why-do-people-consider-ketosis-stressful-to-the-body#axzz1Q6YoCMx5

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on July 03, 2011
at 10:34 PM

Your statement regarding nutrient density isn't really that true. Compare tubers to animal foods or other plant foods, they are pretty damn comparable in nutrient density.

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on July 03, 2011
at 11:43 PM

I am in ketosis all the time. I eat less than 50g of carbs per day and have been this way for more than a month. Being in a Ketogenic state is exactly what you want to be in to lose weight and keep your blood sugars in check. I have no issues with this, and have no problems sticking to it.

I have no issues with strength in the gym, I am stronger with each workout, and while this may not be for everyone, I know many many people who are extremely low carb all the time and thriving nicely.

Tim http://facebook.com/bigtimsprimaljourney

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 03, 2011
at 10:21 PM

there are tons of ketosis threads that we've covered in depth, this is just one:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/19735/ketosis-vs-glycolysis#axzz1R3CKBgtL

Ee7c5b7b9d4cd48d61dc259e6966a725

(90)

on July 04, 2011
at 06:36 AM

Agree with Brad, we can keep bringing in new ideas as well as searching.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on July 04, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Fair enough. I suppose I just don't think there is going to be one consensus anyhow so I don't see the point of the question. If, rather, the you're just going for more opinions, etc about ketosis I just think a search would be an easier way for you to go.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on July 03, 2011
at 11:32 PM

ben, with respect, I don't think "use the search engine" is always a one-size-fits-all answer. Information, especially in the paleosphere, shifts rapidly. A search of "potatoes" would turn up very different responses six months ago as opposed to right now.

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Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

on July 03, 2011
at 09:30 PM

No one argues that ketosis is bad only that the frequency and degree are being argued.

It also appears that virtually everyone agrees that metabolic flexability is beneficial and aside from eating a sufficiently nutrient dense diet (some muscle meat from ruminants and seafood, a variety of organ meats - not just liver, cartilaginous bone broths, plants....) one way to insure we can maintain metabolic flexability is to vary the amount of carbohydrate and food we take in. Sometimes more carbohydrate, sometimes less. To me, this makes the ketosis discussion just an intellectual (rather than a practical) one.

Certainly high blood glucose is problematic and it's best to eat in a way that helps maintain normal/stable blood glucose. Hopefully that coincides (for most people) with fasting (0-4x per week) and varying carbohydrate intake (from VLC to however much works for that individual).

It's also important to note that calorie for calorie, the starchy calories have significantly less nutrient density than animal foods and dark/bright plant foods (ie leafies and berries). So personally, I wouldn't get most cals from them even if I could do it while maintaining optimally low/normal blood glucose.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on July 03, 2011
at 10:34 PM

Your statement regarding nutrient density isn't really that true. Compare tubers to animal foods or other plant foods, they are pretty damn comparable in nutrient density.

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on July 03, 2011
at 09:49 PM

I think it is ok to dip into ketosis from time to time if you want to lose some body fat but to make it a daily occurrence is taking it a bit to fare.

Just like you don’t want your muscles and liver overflowing with carbs (glycogen) making you fat. You also don’t want to be in a constant stay of ketosis.

Sometimes I like to go into ketosis right after filling up my carb stores with a fun cheat day. I guest one extreme brings another.

Best - Mike

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on July 03, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Mike, I'm always curious why people feel long-term ketosis is something to avoid. I've been in continual ketosis for the last four years, barring one seven-week period when my carbs were over 60g/day, and my health has done nothing but improve. I understand if folks don't want to eat LC; that's fine. But I don't understand the concern about long-term ketosis. Here's a thread about the "dangers": http://paleohacks.com/questions/25449/why-do-people-consider-ketosis-stressful-to-the-body#axzz1Q6YoCMx5

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