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Trying to get into ketosis- not working...

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 04, 2013 at 8:19 PM

I'm trying to get into ketosis. For the past 4 days I have tracked my carbs on cronometer.

I've been under 30g of carbs for all 4 days. Averaging around 20-25.

I just used ketostix, and the results came back negative... what gives?

June 31st- 2 chicken breast, half an avocado, 12 tablespoons of coconut oil July 1st- 12 tablespoons of coconut oil, .5 cup almonds, 3 fish fillets. 8 brazil nuts July 2nd- 1 fish fillet, 15 brazil nuts, 400g coconut milk, 3 slices of luncheon meat ham, 1 cup chicken salad, 1 cup tuna salad, 3 tablespoons coconut oil July 3rd- 5 eggs, 1 avocado, 6 pork sausages (gluten free, pre cooked), 200g coconut milk July 4th- 200g coconut milk, 23 brazil nuts, 1 cup lettuce, 2 tins tuna fish, 1 tablespoon coconut mana.

so what gives? I'm actually eating less and less calories than I used to... I eat a lot, as a woman...

Anything I should be doing better? I try to stay under 30g carbs, at 90g protein and the rest fat.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on July 07, 2013
at 08:07 AM

It depends a bit on the brand of the items you have, but Coconut milk = 6g/100ml. So July 2'nd. 400ml Coconut milk = 24g. Add on 15 Brazil nuts at .6 grams each = 9 grams. Plus whatever else is hidden away in there that you're not aware of. However, that's only a bit above 30 grams, so you should be fine there. 30's not a magic number for it, around 50 tends to be for a lot of people. But you could go for an hour or two long walk, or fast for a day to kick start it faster.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

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on July 05, 2013
at 06:04 AM

Uhmmm... I see. Mantaining good extracellular fluid is important for the body to function well. I'd try drinking less and eating more, and yes, adding sea salt. You might aim to pee less and slightly wellowish, not so crystal clear, that may indicate you're doing better. CW says drink a lot to be hydrated but too much is not good and peeing so much is a signal. If you take your temperature it might show lower than normal. Why? We here eat very clean, cooling food, vegetables with potasium but few sodium from junk food, and drink a lot, this lowers body sodium and brings hyponatremia.

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on July 05, 2013
at 02:34 AM

Read these links:http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-i/ Http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/

A0c6d1e41fc0441b593a05050aefada7

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on July 05, 2013
at 01:32 AM

I use cronometer... I haven't seen anything over 30g of carbs on it...

A0c6d1e41fc0441b593a05050aefada7

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on July 05, 2013
at 01:31 AM

Yes! I do. I drink a ton of water as well... I started adding salt to my food because I crave it so much...

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on July 04, 2013
at 09:07 PM

Seems that best moment to test is at noon and even better if slightly fasted and post workout (assuming yo do some kind of exercise). Cravings can mean many things but most likely you have not entered ketosis but maybe you have your reward system so messed up due to sugary stuff that need some time to detox... if you crave salt, that gives some insight. Low carb puts you into a better chance to have sodium deficiency, more even if you eat healthy 'cooling' food like lots of veggies and also eat a lot of liquid. Do you pee very often and almost transparent?

A0c6d1e41fc0441b593a05050aefada7

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on July 04, 2013
at 08:37 PM

If I make the calculations in terms of my last known bodyweight (I don't have a scale) I end up much higher than 90g of protein... should I still cut down? I don't want to lose muscle... Currently craving salt, carbs, and sugar... I haven't let myself never any sugar (fruit and honey), and I suppose I might be detoxing from that? Is it best to test in the morning?

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048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

on July 04, 2013
at 08:26 PM

ketostix might not be very accurate, you could be in ketosis but not show on ketostix... blood meter would be more accurate but most likely you don't want to get one just to know this.

You might 'sense' it looking at what you feel. Have your cravings diminished? No hurry to eat even if you stay many hours without eating? That could give you some insight.

Keep in mind that high protein intake can prevent you entering ketosis due to protein to glycogen conversion due to gluconeogenesis. If you're having more than 0.8gr of protein per kg of weight every day (which is easy to do if you are limiting carbs) you might find your answer here, if you're eating 90gr I guess it's fine unless you're very small sized, then maybe you could aim to have slightly less, try experimenting.

Maybe you just need some more time to adapt. Spacing your meals should help also.

A0c6d1e41fc0441b593a05050aefada7

(342)

on July 05, 2013
at 01:31 AM

Yes! I do. I drink a ton of water as well... I started adding salt to my food because I crave it so much...

A0c6d1e41fc0441b593a05050aefada7

(342)

on July 04, 2013
at 08:37 PM

If I make the calculations in terms of my last known bodyweight (I don't have a scale) I end up much higher than 90g of protein... should I still cut down? I don't want to lose muscle... Currently craving salt, carbs, and sugar... I haven't let myself never any sugar (fruit and honey), and I suppose I might be detoxing from that? Is it best to test in the morning?

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on July 05, 2013
at 06:04 AM

Uhmmm... I see. Mantaining good extracellular fluid is important for the body to function well. I'd try drinking less and eating more, and yes, adding sea salt. You might aim to pee less and slightly wellowish, not so crystal clear, that may indicate you're doing better. CW says drink a lot to be hydrated but too much is not good and peeing so much is a signal. If you take your temperature it might show lower than normal. Why? We here eat very clean, cooling food, vegetables with potasium but few sodium from junk food, and drink a lot, this lowers body sodium and brings hyponatremia.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on July 04, 2013
at 09:07 PM

Seems that best moment to test is at noon and even better if slightly fasted and post workout (assuming yo do some kind of exercise). Cravings can mean many things but most likely you have not entered ketosis but maybe you have your reward system so messed up due to sugary stuff that need some time to detox... if you crave salt, that gives some insight. Low carb puts you into a better chance to have sodium deficiency, more even if you eat healthy 'cooling' food like lots of veggies and also eat a lot of liquid. Do you pee very often and almost transparent?

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3013d1b44fd7f65b4c8412f229d1d00e

on July 05, 2013
at 06:01 AM

These answers are all spot on--4 days isn't much time, so the patience Albert counsels is worth listening to (as well as James' point about getting glycogen depletion). Great idea adding salt, as minerals get washed out pronto along with water when the carbs go (in fact, you may want to look at supplementing your other electrolyte minerals, as well--especially magnesium. When I did that it cut my cravings and tiredness and brain fog right quick).

After that, a couple of other items to consider: you might want to kill the nuts--they are a massive part of you intake, and some people (including me) seem to stall big time on them. And the luncheon meat ham might also be suspect in this. I don't know the brand or contents, but something to think about.

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00cd3b6f51530a6832fcda1712edbec3

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on July 04, 2013
at 10:59 PM

Ketostix don't measure what you want to know. Read the great article Why You Need To Stop Worrying About The Color Of Your Ketostix for a full explanation. One bodily symptom that indicates that you're in ketosis and doesn't require any meter is sweet-smelling breath. That's the smell of excess acetone (a type of ketone) being exhaled.

But Albert83BCN's counsel about being patient is spot-on. If you're switching over from a carb-based diet, it usually takes about two weeks for a body to create enough enzymes that assist in digesting fat for your body to make good use of ketones for fuel.

Finally, you don't have to be in ketosis in order to lose fat and being in ketosis doesn't guarantee fat loss. Weight/fat loss is a complicated matter, full of hormonal feedback loops that monitor your health, and dependent even on your stress levels.

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5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

(8280)

on July 04, 2013
at 09:06 PM

Are you exercising? Remember, to get into ketosis, you need to deplete your liver glycogen. If you're sedentary, it can take a while.

Also, you might want to double check your carbs, from what I'm seeing, you're over 30grams on some of those days.

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

(8280)

on July 07, 2013
at 08:07 AM

It depends a bit on the brand of the items you have, but Coconut milk = 6g/100ml. So July 2'nd. 400ml Coconut milk = 24g. Add on 15 Brazil nuts at .6 grams each = 9 grams. Plus whatever else is hidden away in there that you're not aware of. However, that's only a bit above 30 grams, so you should be fine there. 30's not a magic number for it, around 50 tends to be for a lot of people. But you could go for an hour or two long walk, or fast for a day to kick start it faster.

A0c6d1e41fc0441b593a05050aefada7

(342)

on July 05, 2013
at 01:32 AM

I use cronometer... I haven't seen anything over 30g of carbs on it...

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