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The unbearable sadness of paleo?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 22, 2012 at 12:47 AM

What can I experiment with to raise mood and improve focus?

I've been doing a progressively more strict paleo diet (autoimmune protocol) for almost a month. As I read and learn more about this process and lifestyle, I've incorporated significantly fewer carbs (including starchy veg), more fats, and even mostly cut out fruit. I am completely dairy, gluten, grain, legume, nightshade, egg, processed crap, and refined sugar-free. (Exception: 2 glasses of champagne and the equivalent of a dark chocolate bar one weekend. Not to celebrate. To self-medicate. It didn't work.)

Physically, I feel awesome. This seems to have resolved numerous problems I had assumed incurable, like joint pain and fatigue. OMG.

Mentally, I'm not seeing the benefits other people report experiencing, and I don't know why. My mood is negative and my focus leaves much to be desired.

I'm all over fish, fish oil, sunlight, and magnesium. I'm increasing coconut matter, especially fat, and unsweetened cocoa powder (mmm, together). I've read a bit about ketosis and mood, and the one responsive thread here on PH (searching for those 2 terms) did not answer my question. Maybe I should consider measuring portions (never done it) and testing with Ketostix (never tried em) to achieve/monitor ketosis? That seems like too much trouble for a process that my body can help me regulate with feedback. I also hesitate to do that or try intermittent fasting because I'm already lightweight, and I have stuff to do. I feel like this shouldn't be an adjustment problem, because my pre-paleo diet was pretty healthy. Any bright ideas?

TL;DR? Edit away, Mr. Moderator Person Dude Sir. It's all in the question up top.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

The 5ht1a receptor actually downregulates the entire rest of the serotonin system. So a more direct way to acheive these benefits(without increasing anxiety and depression in the mean time), is to directly stimulate the 5ht1a receptor. The natural way to acheive this is via the hormone oxytocin. Oxytocin is stimulated by empathy, touch, massage, orgasm, trust, love/bonding. But the herbs lotus and albizzia have both been demonstrated to be 5ht1a agonists. The other way that 5ht1a acheives anti-depression is thru bdnf. bdnf is stimulated by sunlight and exercise.

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on August 23, 2012
at 04:41 AM

Ah shucks! Kat, if you get tired of salting your tongue, as the weather cools, salty soup is my favorite way to keep my sodium up. I think I need more than most people too, my blood pressure tanks and then standing up quickly becomes hazardous if I haven't had enough.

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on August 23, 2012
at 03:08 AM

Yay Happy Now - a woman always worth listening to! :)

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on August 23, 2012
at 03:06 AM

First time I did that it was like having 4 shots of espresso all at once minus the jitters. Pretty cool, eh? I wish I could take credit for the idea, but it came from an author who's name eludes me right now, but he wrote a book about adrenal health and energy. I'm so glad that helped because that is one of the easiest fixes out there.

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on August 23, 2012
at 02:59 AM

Agreed. But I want to take fewer, not more, pills. It looks like cauliflower and oranges are food sources of choline that are on the Whole30 autoimmune protocol: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=50#foodsources. So I will try adding those in too. Thx!

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on August 23, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Also, Jamie's answer is really good (as Lynn said). I second the choline suggestion, as in egg yolks.

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on August 23, 2012
at 02:27 AM

I prefer on-topic responses and civility.

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on August 23, 2012
at 01:43 AM

Would you prefer "don't be an asshole?"

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 23, 2012
at 01:26 AM

YOU ARE AWESOME. That is the weirdest thing ever. I have an immediate sea salt high. No joke. There are a ton of Google hits for "sodium deficiency depression" (now that I know to search for it). And it makes sense in my case, because my sodium intake went down on paleo (no miso) and my sodium output went up (feeling better = more exercise = more sweat). Plus I've always had low blood pressure and seemed to need more salt than most. THANK YOU!

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 23, 2012
at 01:15 AM

Thx! That definitely sounds like me (the gut damage). I also cut way back on salt, come to think of it, going paleo. Because I got most of mine from miso, and that is off the Whole30 menu because it's (a) legume-sourced, and (b) processed (in a manner). Off to make my mouth a little ocean...

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 23, 2012
at 01:05 AM

BTW, only a woman would be told to "Get some carbohydrates in your sassy self and tone it down a notch." That's some patriarchal BS right there.

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on August 23, 2012
at 01:03 AM

Oh no, someone is wrong on the Internets and I didn't argue nicely enough!

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 23, 2012
at 01:02 AM

Thx! I have a friend who gets depressed taking high quality fish oil. I wonder if this explains why. I will definitely see if I can slip some Carlson's in. (I MUCH prefer fish oil pills to liquid, but what you say makes a lot of sense.)

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on August 22, 2012
at 09:24 PM

Kat, the title of your post is unbearable sadness on paleo. If you don't want advice about your emotions, than maybe change the title of the post. My point is more that sometimes diet alone does not fix everything.

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on August 22, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I wouldn't call 2-3oz sweet potato (or even white) "carb reloading." If it helps with the mood issue, it'd be worth it, and the small amount of carbs in that should *not* be enough to derail you. (Especially just before bed, b/c you'll quickly be asleep and theoretically not able to give in to any cravings it might have otherwise induced. I wouldn't eat 2 bagels and then go to bed, but a couple ounces potato? Don't worry about it.

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:56 PM

@Jess, I agree with you 98%, but my deep, deep introversion is holding back the last 2% because sometimes people like me need *less* social interaction. We have to go out of our way to just be left alone in peace and quiet.

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Ryan, was it Barry Schwartz? He wrote a book called *The Paradox of Choice: Why More is Less." It's awesome and describes exactly what you're talking about -- people are overwhelmed by choice in our society. Look at the toothpaste aisle for crissake...there are 1000 different kinds now!

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on August 22, 2012
at 07:00 PM

Yeah, that was crazy un-called for and rude, kat. Get some carbohydrates in your sassy self and tone it down a notch.

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on August 22, 2012
at 06:48 PM

Ryan that is really interesting. Makes a lot of sense to me. I'll have to watch that TED talk.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 06:01 PM

LOL manly fats. Thx Diane. I'm all over all the good fats except dairy (can't do it). I hadn't thought to try observing if different subsets of them affect my mood differently - interesting idea!

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on August 22, 2012
at 05:42 PM

From one Kat to another...you solicited advice, this poster is trying to help; even if you don't like what she said, there's no need to be rude. Now, regarding the diet, monaLisa might be on to something: have you tried moderate-carb? I find that I don't need to go low-carb to experience improved concentration, and everything else (my energy level, my digestion, my vim and vigor) is much better when I'm eating less beef and more sweet potatoes than "paleo dogma" permits.

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on August 22, 2012
at 05:21 PM

It's what you asked for in your question: a suggestion for experimentation. I'm not an expert so I can't really speak to the questions about the biochemistry of mood, but it's all very interesting to me. Of course use your own judgement. If 6 to 12 grams of carbohydrate is enough to derail your paleo goals or carb reload you, then I can see why you would not like to try it. I'm sorry you've been having mood and focus issues and I hope you feel better soon! Good luck finding what works for you, and I hope you'll post about it. I bet it would help a lot of people here, myself included.

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:56 PM

That's interesting. I didn't consider T3 could fall instead of rising on this protocol. Come to think of it, it is 77 in here and feels great. I hate to bother docs and waste perfectly good blood, but maybe I should check on this. Thx.

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:49 PM

^ This. I've actually had blood tests during my diet experimentation proving that my T3 falls on too low a carb diet, and improves when I add carbs from starch. I stay at around 90gms/day of carbs from starch now and T3 is OK with proper levothyroxine medication (T4).

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:22 PM

I read in a post by paul jaminet that lowcarb diets lower t3 production. Lowcarb isnt for everyone. I could never do well on it. Traditional peoples have been eating high carb diets for centuries.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:04 PM

Hm. I am also on thyroid replacement. I recall reading paleo can make you need less thyroid. But I don't feel hot/hyperthyroid. But I know thyroid imbalance (either way) can make you feel sad and unfocused. Hmmm.

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:19 PM

I recently listened to a TED radio hour (available at ted.npr.org) about happiness. So many of the points made hit home with me. One of the speakers mentioned that having more choice/freedom actually makes us LESS happy. We can become paralyzed by fear of making an inferior choice. The pygmies are likely so happy because they do not have many choices to make. They just LIVE. The speaker gave a good analogy of a fish in a bowl. The fish is happy inside the fish bowl. If you set it "free" by shattering the bowl, the fish will die. We all need our fishbowls. (Sorry if this is too OT).

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:54 PM

Oh, got it. Thx!

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:50 PM

What you eat is not who you are. Paleos did not hunt Big Meat on their own.

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on August 22, 2012
at 09:37 AM

Then try probiotics that make your gut feel better. I have tried three different probiotics brands before I found the one that really made a difference (like in 2 days). They are were the cheapest and can be found in your refrigerated section. Some probiotics are dead.

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on August 22, 2012
at 06:09 AM

And thanks! :D I am a psychology major, and have a major hobby interest in biopsych, particularly regarding mood.

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on August 22, 2012
at 06:07 AM

I am not sure that youll get any oxytocin in you from a spray. There is a direct nasal spray out there, that probably gets some level of oxytocin in to your system (its contraversial but it did seem to increase trust in one study). Id probably lean toward the herbs, but I have not tried the nasal spray personally..

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on August 22, 2012
at 05:39 AM

Leaf lard is just a high grade of pork fat, I know it's pork but it works for me. The acv I take 1 tsp with 2-4 oz of water with meals.

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:35 AM

Thx Colin! I assume you meant beef lard? Do you mix the apple cider vinegar in anything or drink a tbsp or what?

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:34 AM

Love that biochem stuff, Jamie. Maybe I will spritz on my Liquid Trust (https://www.verolabs.com/Default.asp). ;) And, srsly, dial up the sun and exercise.

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on August 22, 2012
at 03:25 AM

Thx Alvaro! That's 2 votes to re-add "good carbs," so I guess I will try it. I'm also hung-ho sun and D3, for immune as well as mood issues (http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/6/1678S.short). I think I get plenty of D3 in diet though... Thx again for these great suggestions.

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on August 22, 2012
at 03:21 AM

Couldn't put it any better than Jess D.

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on August 22, 2012
at 03:13 AM

+1 for social interaction. i think it's the number one deciding factor for my mood.

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on August 22, 2012
at 03:01 AM

Oh good point. Have you just lowered carbs recently? Maybe your not fully adapted yet...(takes 2-4 weeks)

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:55 AM

Is your life forfilling? (Ie decent social contact, sunlight, decent sense of purpose etc). Could be nothing to do with diet.

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:47 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HT1A_receptor

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:47 AM

From wiki -" 5-HT1A autoreceptor desensitization and increased 5-HT1A receptor postsynaptic activation via general increases in serotonin levels by serotonin precursor supplementation, serotonin reuptake inhibition, or monoamine oxidase inhibition has been shown to be a major mediator in the therapeutic benefits of most mainstream antidepressant supplements and pharmaceuticals"

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:46 AM

And how about sun exposure? and level of D3? I suffer from depression also, and this two have made a difference, i'm not cured but i'm doing a lot better

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:44 AM

Who says more serotonin production helps mood? Most of the serotonin system is entirely negative when it comes to mood. Decreasing those systems via the 5ht1a serenic receptor is strongly anti-depressant and anti-anxeity, and is most likely the very indirect way that serotonin increasing drugs like prozac actually work. Not to be all critical at all, just though id mention, that I would be highly sceptical of anyone that suggest that more serotonin, in and off itself, directly, improves mood.

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Kat, I don't find anything wrong with your lifestyle, i would keep doing what you are doing for a couple of months more and see where it gets you, and add good carbs like sweet potatoes, berries and plantains, to your diet, it made a difference on my mood.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Sounds like carb reloading. I think this would derail the metabolic gain of eating paleo by causing insulin response, in turn affecting leptin and cortisol and sleep and - well, you know, generally not being paleo. I think the deal with carbs is that they give you an immediate mood boost, but over time mess up those intricately related hormonal loops that regulate health and mood more deeply.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:38 AM

Hah, I dislike your answer but you're probably right. ;)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:38 AM

^ I think 9 hours is more optimal. In "no evening light" sleep studies, humans sleep in a biphasic manner, sleeping for two sections of 4 hours, 2 hours to get to sleep initially and 1 hour wakefullness in between. Thats a total of like 10-11 hours from going to sleep, to waking up. I personally beleive that this 6-8 stuff they push nowadays is well off the mark for optimal sleep. I try and sleep at least 9 myself.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:37 AM

Thx. I already eat liver and fish regularly, and really want to cut back rather than increasing any kind of supplement. Numbers and food just don't go together for me. (Calories make no sense.)

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:35 AM

LOL @ cranky toddler, thx Lynn. I don't have a good doctor/nutritionist to ask for that kind of test. I guess I could try going back up on fish oil. (I dropped way down because I just feel so much better physically).

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:33 AM

Thx, I'll try that. I had read to wait trying fermented vegetables until your gut healed if you had certain sensitivities/issues. Maybe it's healed enough.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:32 AM

This is what I was reffering to: http://cronometer.com/ There are other decent diet trackers out there, but I recommend this one because its got a decent database, and tracks all your micro-nutrients (and only one Ive used, lol, but it works great).

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:31 AM

I am listening. My body loves this diet. Please to focus on dietary fixes. This is a dietary experiment website, about how food is medicine (cf Hippocrates). If I wanted a lecture about being in touch with my emotions, I would go cry in a Hallmark store.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:26 AM

I'm doing a bit of everything: cardio, weights, walking outdoors. I need less sleep on paleo (thank God) but still get plenty. Maybe 8-9 hours. (I would like to need less, but already this is an improvement - I know, sad but true.)

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:05 AM

Wow, lots of great info here. Is there a specific cronometer you recommend or are most of the free online ones okay?

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Everyone is different. Try different things people suggested - something will work for you. And I would add LIVE probiotics for sure and fermented vegetables.

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:51 AM

I was reading the website of an anthropologist who studies the pygmy hunter-gatherers in Africa...it was really great. The anthropologist said he was struck by how happy they all were. They literally didn't have any possessions...even their homes were temporary leaf & stick structures. But they were constantly surrounded with friends and extended family. Surrounded by all generations of people too....youth, peers, and elderly. And outside, and active. These things are soo important for happiness. And we often lack them in modern society.

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:44 AM

Getting outside does really help, great point.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:43 AM

I actually cut carbs and fruit because of low mood and poor focus. Because ketosis is supposed to help with those things.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:36 AM

No way. The diet makes me feel physically well. For all I know, I was depressed before and I was literally too sick to notice.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:35 AM

If you are lightweight, why don't you want to add some berries and fruit and even a sweet potato? If low carb does not make you happy (notice I did not say it does not work), why not to increase your carbs a little? I would go for berries first and see if your mood will get any better, just have them with fats. Some people do not do well in ketosis.

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:34 AM

2 pints of ice cream is a bad idea for everyone. You're addicted to food MattJ. Free yourself from the shackles of the food industry and eat healthy.

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on August 22, 2012
at 12:52 AM

SOrry you're having difficulties. I do not know how bright it is, but I'd try adding iodine rich foods (sea vegetables, shellfish) into your diet and also add in a bit more fruit, but would not go more than 3 servings a day.

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F6ce9302d62d8b4a1ef2fc813c294770

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:37 AM

For me, all that eating paleo does is make me feel better physically (increased energy, improved skin color, reduced acne, smoother joints, and much more)...these benefits are incredible and why I am obsessed with paleo.

But to feel better mentally & emotionally...I also REQUIRE these three things: 1) social interaction, 2) exercise, and 3) outdoors/fresh air.

In our modern society, it is sooooo easy to lack these highly important things, especially if you live alone or have a roommate who is never around. Many people spend 40 hours a week at jobs crammed in an office/cubicle in front of a computer, without much social interaction. Then it's worse when they come home to nobody. This gives you no motivation to be happy or do anything active.

Also, in modern society we tend to surround ourselves with goals & possessions instead of people. For example, we often have the mindset of "once I have _(insert goal or item here)_, then I will be happy".

The truth is that humans are active, social creatures. Without social interaction, and lots of it, we are not happy. For me, getting involved in weekly, consistent community volunteering, with lots of positive social interaction, has helped me. Just make sure to choose a volunteering opportunity that is very socially interactive (working directly with youth, elderly, or peers your age)...because some are not.

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:44 AM

Getting outside does really help, great point.

F6ce9302d62d8b4a1ef2fc813c294770

(510)

on August 22, 2012
at 01:51 AM

I was reading the website of an anthropologist who studies the pygmy hunter-gatherers in Africa...it was really great. The anthropologist said he was struck by how happy they all were. They literally didn't have any possessions...even their homes were temporary leaf & stick structures. But they were constantly surrounded with friends and extended family. Surrounded by all generations of people too....youth, peers, and elderly. And outside, and active. These things are soo important for happiness. And we often lack them in modern society.

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on August 22, 2012
at 03:13 AM

+1 for social interaction. i think it's the number one deciding factor for my mood.

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:50 PM

What you eat is not who you are. Paleos did not hunt Big Meat on their own.

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on August 22, 2012
at 03:21 AM

Couldn't put it any better than Jess D.

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(1042)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:19 PM

I recently listened to a TED radio hour (available at ted.npr.org) about happiness. So many of the points made hit home with me. One of the speakers mentioned that having more choice/freedom actually makes us LESS happy. We can become paralyzed by fear of making an inferior choice. The pygmies are likely so happy because they do not have many choices to make. They just LIVE. The speaker gave a good analogy of a fish in a bowl. The fish is happy inside the fish bowl. If you set it "free" by shattering the bowl, the fish will die. We all need our fishbowls. (Sorry if this is too OT).

F6ce9302d62d8b4a1ef2fc813c294770

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on August 22, 2012
at 06:48 PM

Ryan that is really interesting. Makes a lot of sense to me. I'll have to watch that TED talk.

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:56 PM

@Jess, I agree with you 98%, but my deep, deep introversion is holding back the last 2% because sometimes people like me need *less* social interaction. We have to go out of our way to just be left alone in peace and quiet.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Ryan, was it Barry Schwartz? He wrote a book called *The Paradox of Choice: Why More is Less." It's awesome and describes exactly what you're talking about -- people are overwhelmed by choice in our society. Look at the toothpaste aisle for crissake...there are 1000 different kinds now!

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on August 22, 2012
at 06:50 AM

When I think contentment, well-being, relaxation, calm, happiness, etc., the combination of starch and fat come to mind. You know, comfort foods (they have that name for a reason). Just to name a few (I know some of these are on not your auto-immune protocol, but the stricter the diet, even if it is solid, often the lower the mood, so it might be worth experimenting with some soul feeding foods):

Carrots or other root veggies cooked with butter

Sweet potato fries made with lard

Mashed potatoes

Plantain chips and guacamole

Tapioca pudding

Rice with pan drippings

EDIT:

Another thing to consider, no matter how perfect the food you put in your mouth, if you have suffered intestinal damage, have low stomach acid, sub-optimal gallbladder function, or developed dysbiosis from your previous diet, that could be a continued source of low mood because you are unable to absorb all of the nutrients you are taking in. It takes many months or years to restore and regrow a healthy gut.

Being low on certain minerals can also cause lack of focus and low mood, make sure you are getting enough salt, magnesium, and potassium. The salt deficiency in particular you will be able to uncover almost instantly. Put a generous pinch of natural unrefined sea salt on your tongue, and slowly drink a glass of water until all the salty taste is gone. You'll know within 5-10 minutes whether you were low because you get a sudden boost in mood quality.

Good luck.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 23, 2012
at 01:15 AM

Thx! That definitely sounds like me (the gut damage). I also cut way back on salt, come to think of it, going paleo. Because I got most of mine from miso, and that is off the Whole30 menu because it's (a) legume-sourced, and (b) processed (in a manner). Off to make my mouth a little ocean...

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on August 23, 2012
at 04:41 AM

Ah shucks! Kat, if you get tired of salting your tongue, as the weather cools, salty soup is my favorite way to keep my sodium up. I think I need more than most people too, my blood pressure tanks and then standing up quickly becomes hazardous if I haven't had enough.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 23, 2012
at 01:26 AM

YOU ARE AWESOME. That is the weirdest thing ever. I have an immediate sea salt high. No joke. There are a ton of Google hits for "sodium deficiency depression" (now that I know to search for it). And it makes sense in my case, because my sodium intake went down on paleo (no miso) and my sodium output went up (feeling better = more exercise = more sweat). Plus I've always had low blood pressure and seemed to need more salt than most. THANK YOU!

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on August 23, 2012
at 03:08 AM

Yay Happy Now - a woman always worth listening to! :)

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on August 23, 2012
at 03:06 AM

First time I did that it was like having 4 shots of espresso all at once minus the jitters. Pretty cool, eh? I wish I could take credit for the idea, but it came from an author who's name eludes me right now, but he wrote a book about adrenal health and energy. I'm so glad that helped because that is one of the easiest fixes out there.

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 01:46 AM

Choline for focus - Because of the no eggs, you might be getting less choline than is ideal (aids memory and focus). Theres some in meats, but if your having trouble with focus, it may help to up your intake. Liver will help with that (straight choline), also salmon or sardines (dmae containing fish), or a supplement, like dmae or cdp choline. Another good reason to eat actual salmon, rather than fish oil. I am off eggs myself ATM, so I make sure and eat salmon every week.

Mood - Human contact (very important), human touch and empathy, sunlight, exercise will help with mood. Diet has an effect, but often less so than those first ones.

Then again you might be missing something in your diet ATM. If your missing something, that could be the cause. Hard to know without a list of what you DO eat.

Just to be sure, id run everything you eat through cronometer, checking for the following especially - choline, tyrosine, tryptophan, b vitamins. (Worth noting dmae will not show up. DMAE is far more bioavailable than normal choline, so a bit of salmon and sardines each week should top you up. And of course b vits are usually high in meat eaters)

If all else fails and you want something to pick up your mood, ive two herbs to suggest -

1) Albizzia, its a chinese herb called the happiness tree. Its effect is subtle, but its effective for depression and free of side effects.

2) Kanna - African herb. Again, subtle but very effective for mood, although it is mildly stimulant at about the level of caffiene so take in the morning rather than at night.

Forget about the more common ones, like 5-htp and st johns wort. They are less effective, and dont target the right parts of the brain. The other potential chinese one you could look at is a lotus extract, but thats more expensive. In the east, they eat lotus seeds and roots, but for acute depression, thats likely not enough.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:32 AM

This is what I was reffering to: http://cronometer.com/ There are other decent diet trackers out there, but I recommend this one because its got a decent database, and tracks all your micro-nutrients (and only one Ive used, lol, but it works great).

E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

(505)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:05 AM

Wow, lots of great info here. Is there a specific cronometer you recommend or are most of the free online ones okay?

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:37 AM

Thx. I already eat liver and fish regularly, and really want to cut back rather than increasing any kind of supplement. Numbers and food just don't go together for me. (Calories make no sense.)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:55 AM

Is your life forfilling? (Ie decent social contact, sunlight, decent sense of purpose etc). Could be nothing to do with diet.

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E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

(505)

on August 22, 2012
at 01:44 AM

Kat, although I feel like I'm more clearheaded and stronger minded with this diet (especially with an increase in good fats) I have not had a dramatic improvement in my mood either on the diet alone. Not having diarrhea every day and healing my gut was a huge boost, but not a silver bullet for joy for me.

Less than a month is a pretty short window of time, it might take a year or longer depending on what's going on for you. I would keep doing what you can to heal your gut for a few more months before giving up.

Have you done any testing on hormones and nutrients? If there is an imbalance or deficiency there, it may give you more of a focused area to work on, just a thought. I discovered my fatigue was due to VERY low cortisol, and improving my energy has helped my mood a lot (apparently I'm a toddler and just get cranky when tired).

I personally just started a regime of 2000mg of krill oil (nutrigold brand) and 100mg of B6 as P-5-P to see if that will improve my PMS, and perhaps mood overall.

Hopefully these suggested tweaks are not bullshit. 2 pints of ice creak every other day sounds pretty good too (may I suggest chocolate peanut butter... mmmmmmmm)

Internet hugs to you, wish I had more insight to help.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:35 AM

LOL @ cranky toddler, thx Lynn. I don't have a good doctor/nutritionist to ask for that kind of test. I guess I could try going back up on fish oil. (I dropped way down because I just feel so much better physically).

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on August 23, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Also, Jamie's answer is really good (as Lynn said). I second the choline suggestion, as in egg yolks.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 23, 2012
at 02:59 AM

Agreed. But I want to take fewer, not more, pills. It looks like cauliflower and oranges are food sources of choline that are on the Whole30 autoimmune protocol: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=50#foodsources. So I will try adding those in too. Thx!

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Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

(1478)

on August 22, 2012
at 01:59 AM

I have had a similar experience on low carb, where I am depressed, more than normal. I do not do well on higher fat. My body swelled up and retained water and as soon as I lowered the meat and fat and increased carbs I felt better. Every body is different and you need to listen to your body, it will tell you what you need. The cleaner your diet is, the more you will become in tune with it and the more you will be forced to listen to it. This may be why you are experiencing sadness. The sadness may have always been there, but it was masked by your previous diet.

Finally, there is more to health and happiness than just diet. Diet is one piece, but it is not a cure all. You need to deal with your psyche, and the root of your sadness. Here are a couple of videos that deal with these subjects. Hopefully they help.

http://youtu.be/VIO7bD4OLCA

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A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on August 22, 2012
at 07:00 PM

Yeah, that was crazy un-called for and rude, kat. Get some carbohydrates in your sassy self and tone it down a notch.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:31 AM

I am listening. My body loves this diet. Please to focus on dietary fixes. This is a dietary experiment website, about how food is medicine (cf Hippocrates). If I wanted a lecture about being in touch with my emotions, I would go cry in a Hallmark store.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 23, 2012
at 01:03 AM

Oh no, someone is wrong on the Internets and I didn't argue nicely enough!

Fc6a9e07f6056d465573c8969d3a2ddd

(370)

on August 22, 2012
at 05:42 PM

From one Kat to another...you solicited advice, this poster is trying to help; even if you don't like what she said, there's no need to be rude. Now, regarding the diet, monaLisa might be on to something: have you tried moderate-carb? I find that I don't need to go low-carb to experience improved concentration, and everything else (my energy level, my digestion, my vim and vigor) is much better when I'm eating less beef and more sweet potatoes than "paleo dogma" permits.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 23, 2012
at 01:05 AM

BTW, only a woman would be told to "Get some carbohydrates in your sassy self and tone it down a notch." That's some patriarchal BS right there.

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on August 23, 2012
at 01:43 AM

Would you prefer "don't be an asshole?"

Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

(1478)

on August 22, 2012
at 09:24 PM

Kat, the title of your post is unbearable sadness on paleo. If you don't want advice about your emotions, than maybe change the title of the post. My point is more that sometimes diet alone does not fix everything.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 23, 2012
at 02:27 AM

I prefer on-topic responses and civility.

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43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 23, 2012
at 01:43 AM

I wish I knew how to change the title of this post. Thanks to the hive (especially commenter Happy Now), I know it should read: Sad and unfocused on paleo? Eat more salt.

Thx again to everyone who helped me troubleshoot. It was a pleasure paleohacking with you.

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F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on August 23, 2012
at 02:24 AM

Didn't read all the other comments but more starchy carbs have been key for me. They affect serotonin. Also are you eating enough, period? My mood really changed once I actually began to eat enough - and my cravings were greatly lessened as well.

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3b0b95dfc6dc5c18e535945f4aab0866

on August 22, 2012
at 06:15 PM

My answer is highly unique, N=1, to my individual characteristics but it might help give you some thought.

Going Paleo fixed my mood in very good ways and for me it was the fish oil that was mostly responsible which I started at the same time. In fact, I discovered that it was a particular fish oil - if I tried any other fish oil, I went into depression within 2 days. If I tried going without fish oil, it happened within 5 days. Returning to "the" fish oil corrects the situation within 2 days. This is regardless of my other supplement intake including vitamin-D. This happened enough times for me that I considered it "proven" for my own personal N=1 experience.

For me, the variables comes down to me needing higher quantities of DHA vs EPA in the fish oil - that was the one variable I isolated. If I add additional DHA supplementation I become quite cheerful and congenial. If I do DHA instead of the fish oil, I do not have depression.

This is odd because according to papers reviewed by Emily Deans, EPA is normally needed in higher quantities alongside DHA even thought it was DHA that was shown to improve mood / depression. Again, thats why I consider this unique to me how I respond.

The fish oil that works for me was Carlson's Cod Liver Oil, liquid. I tried green pasture fermented cod and skate liver oils with eventual bad results. I tried Arctic Naturals, and tried Source Naturals as well. Carlson's is the only one that has the DHA:EPA ratio that works for me.

The lesson for you? Well consider fish oil, but consider the nutrition in general that has direct affect on your mood in addition to fish oil.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 23, 2012
at 01:02 AM

Thx! I have a friend who gets depressed taking high quality fish oil. I wonder if this explains why. I will definitely see if I can slip some Carlson's in. (I MUCH prefer fish oil pills to liquid, but what you say makes a lot of sense.)

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F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

(4266)

on August 22, 2012
at 05:51 PM

A lot of people try to go high fat with coconut products, avocados, fish oil, butter ("safe" or "ladylike" fats) and avoid saturated animal fat (i.e. lard, the fat on a steak, hard-core "manly" fats). I found that saturated animal fat was the key to giving me the happiness and good mood I have never had in my life before. Furthermore, I feel happier if some of that animal fat is from pork and chicken skin and not all from grassfed beef and fatty fish.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:01 PM

LOL manly fats. Thx Diane. I'm all over all the good fats except dairy (can't do it). I hadn't thought to try observing if different subsets of them affect my mood differently - interesting idea!

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(243)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:17 PM

I had the same problems. I was miserable about 3 months ago. I'd come home from school with that meaninglessness feeling drenching me. It was so bad Id go out late on fridays to corner grocery stores to plump myself with gluten free junk. It was like a vice. When I began following the advice of kresser and jaminet to add safe starches in I felt like my old self again. The dizzy confusion Id feel by the afternoon was gone. Try adding tubers like sweet potatoes, potatoes, yams. It worked like a charm for me.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:56 PM

That's interesting. I didn't consider T3 could fall instead of rising on this protocol. Come to think of it, it is 77 in here and feels great. I hate to bother docs and waste perfectly good blood, but maybe I should check on this. Thx.

7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:49 PM

^ This. I've actually had blood tests during my diet experimentation proving that my T3 falls on too low a carb diet, and improves when I add carbs from starch. I stay at around 90gms/day of carbs from starch now and T3 is OK with proper levothyroxine medication (T4).

Medium avatar

(243)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:22 PM

I read in a post by paul jaminet that lowcarb diets lower t3 production. Lowcarb isnt for everyone. I could never do well on it. Traditional peoples have been eating high carb diets for centuries.

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B3222ea49a60d1d12a9d25f194c0f873

on August 22, 2012
at 03:39 PM

I am hypothyroid like another commenter and been on the same protocol as you! Initially I felt much better but I also was off my meds for a bit. Now that I am back on them, I oddly am feeling a bit tired and unfocused, again, just like you describe. Isn't that odd?!

One thing I did find in my research is that most of us with thyroid problems did better with carbs than without. (around 100g or whatever measurement they use, per day) Maybe you don't have that issue (been tested?) but your body might for whatever reason need more so I would go with that suggestion and eat some sweet potato, etc.

I also notice that the less active I am, the more depressive and sluggish I am. Today in fact I am here in front of my computer when I should be finding something else to do!

And thanks to the commenter who suggested plantains! I'm from S. Florida, now in Central Florida and I love those. ;-) Dipped in Guac?! OMG - heaven!

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:04 PM

Hm. I am also on thyroid replacement. I recall reading paleo can make you need less thyroid. But I don't feel hot/hyperthyroid. But I know thyroid imbalance (either way) can make you feel sad and unfocused. Hmmm.

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7f8bc7ce5c34aae50408d31812c839b0

(2698)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:37 PM

FWIW, what works for me is bulletproof coffee in the morning as my only morning calories and then one meal at night with 90 gms of starch from rice or potato and 4 egg yolks and one ounce of a liverwurst with beef liver, heart, and kidney in it.

This forms the basis of my diet, to which I add some salad veggies and varying proteins and some dark chocolate. Many would say this isn't healthy, but I track my nutrition and I do get my micronutrients.

I have specifically experiemented over the past two years with eating to improve mood, mentality, and stability. I am hypothyroid though so my metabolism is not normal, YMMV.

Good luck - chronic low mood bites.

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7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2040)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:15 AM

Hey Kat you sound dialed in when it comes to your diet so I'm not sure if I'll be any help, but what works well for me is including some pastured leaf lard and with each each meal I usually have a little apple cider vinegar to stimulate good bile flow. That makes me feel really good, not boundless energy or anything but just an overall sense of calm. Best of luck!

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 01:54 PM

Oh, got it. Thx!

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2040)

on August 22, 2012
at 05:39 AM

Leaf lard is just a high grade of pork fat, I know it's pork but it works for me. The acv I take 1 tsp with 2-4 oz of water with meals.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:35 AM

Thx Colin! I assume you meant beef lard? Do you mix the apple cider vinegar in anything or drink a tbsp or what?

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4cf852260c5839c15746b03e934f0e76

(20)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:18 AM

I read a book called "Potatoes Not Prozac" - not at all paleo. But it cited some interesting research and theory about serotonin production and insulin. I am paraphrasing here: a very tightly controlled insulin response (say, from a very low carb diet) can reduce serotonin production. The author recommends (among other things) a small amount of potato 3 hours after dinner, to produce a mild insulin rise to help shuttle tryptophan across the blood-brain barrier where it can be used to build serotonin.

Not sure if this applies to you (or if it is strictly paleo). But might be worth experimenting? An ounce or two of sweet potato 3 hrs after dinner might help to improve mood and depression symptoms.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:34 AM

Love that biochem stuff, Jamie. Maybe I will spritz on my Liquid Trust (https://www.verolabs.com/Default.asp). ;) And, srsly, dial up the sun and exercise.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:44 AM

Who says more serotonin production helps mood? Most of the serotonin system is entirely negative when it comes to mood. Decreasing those systems via the 5ht1a serenic receptor is strongly anti-depressant and anti-anxeity, and is most likely the very indirect way that serotonin increasing drugs like prozac actually work. Not to be all critical at all, just though id mention, that I would be highly sceptical of anyone that suggest that more serotonin, in and off itself, directly, improves mood.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

The 5ht1a receptor actually downregulates the entire rest of the serotonin system. So a more direct way to acheive these benefits(without increasing anxiety and depression in the mean time), is to directly stimulate the 5ht1a receptor. The natural way to acheive this is via the hormone oxytocin. Oxytocin is stimulated by empathy, touch, massage, orgasm, trust, love/bonding. But the herbs lotus and albizzia have both been demonstrated to be 5ht1a agonists. The other way that 5ht1a acheives anti-depression is thru bdnf. bdnf is stimulated by sunlight and exercise.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:07 AM

I am not sure that youll get any oxytocin in you from a spray. There is a direct nasal spray out there, that probably gets some level of oxytocin in to your system (its contraversial but it did seem to increase trust in one study). Id probably lean toward the herbs, but I have not tried the nasal spray personally..

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:47 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HT1A_receptor

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Sounds like carb reloading. I think this would derail the metabolic gain of eating paleo by causing insulin response, in turn affecting leptin and cortisol and sleep and - well, you know, generally not being paleo. I think the deal with carbs is that they give you an immediate mood boost, but over time mess up those intricately related hormonal loops that regulate health and mood more deeply.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:09 AM

And thanks! :D I am a psychology major, and have a major hobby interest in biopsych, particularly regarding mood.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:47 AM

From wiki -" 5-HT1A autoreceptor desensitization and increased 5-HT1A receptor postsynaptic activation via general increases in serotonin levels by serotonin precursor supplementation, serotonin reuptake inhibition, or monoamine oxidase inhibition has been shown to be a major mediator in the therapeutic benefits of most mainstream antidepressant supplements and pharmaceuticals"

4cf852260c5839c15746b03e934f0e76

(20)

on August 22, 2012
at 05:21 PM

It's what you asked for in your question: a suggestion for experimentation. I'm not an expert so I can't really speak to the questions about the biochemistry of mood, but it's all very interesting to me. Of course use your own judgement. If 6 to 12 grams of carbohydrate is enough to derail your paleo goals or carb reload you, then I can see why you would not like to try it. I'm sorry you've been having mood and focus issues and I hope you feel better soon! Good luck finding what works for you, and I hope you'll post about it. I bet it would help a lot of people here, myself included.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on August 22, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I wouldn't call 2-3oz sweet potato (or even white) "carb reloading." If it helps with the mood issue, it'd be worth it, and the small amount of carbs in that should *not* be enough to derail you. (Especially just before bed, b/c you'll quickly be asleep and theoretically not able to give in to any cravings it might have otherwise induced. I wouldn't eat 2 bagels and then go to bed, but a couple ounces potato? Don't worry about it.

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on August 22, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Are you exercising? Regular exercise will change your mood completely. When I stop exercising regularly first I get moody and then I get depressed. Also, realize that people have a limited amount of will power and you have to give in to temptation now and then. If you love ice cream, have a cheat day and eat ice cream. Frozen blueberries are fun too and you don't even have to feel guilty eating them. Don't stay strict if it means that it's gonna break you. Work up to it and find a balance that works for you and be happy.

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Medium avatar

(3213)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:12 AM

How is your level of activity? And how many hours of sleep do you get per night? Both exercise and Sleep are great producers of endorphins (good mood hormones). Plus knowing that you are eating healthy, should make you happy and satisfied. Keep it up!

Medium avatar

(3213)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Kat, I don't find anything wrong with your lifestyle, i would keep doing what you are doing for a couple of months more and see where it gets you, and add good carbs like sweet potatoes, berries and plantains, to your diet, it made a difference on my mood.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 03:25 AM

Thx Alvaro! That's 2 votes to re-add "good carbs," so I guess I will try it. I'm also hung-ho sun and D3, for immune as well as mood issues (http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/6/1678S.short). I think I get plenty of D3 in diet though... Thx again for these great suggestions.

Medium avatar

(3213)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:46 AM

And how about sun exposure? and level of D3? I suffer from depression also, and this two have made a difference, i'm not cured but i'm doing a lot better

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:26 AM

I'm doing a bit of everything: cardio, weights, walking outdoors. I need less sleep on paleo (thank God) but still get plenty. Maybe 8-9 hours. (I would like to need less, but already this is an improvement - I know, sad but true.)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:38 AM

^ I think 9 hours is more optimal. In "no evening light" sleep studies, humans sleep in a biphasic manner, sleeping for two sections of 4 hours, 2 hours to get to sleep initially and 1 hour wakefullness in between. Thats a total of like 10-11 hours from going to sleep, to waking up. I personally beleive that this 6-8 stuff they push nowadays is well off the mark for optimal sleep. I try and sleep at least 9 myself.

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on August 22, 2012
at 01:49 AM

I just read about this earlier today and it often take3-4 weeks for your body to get used to the diet. Once it does the brain fog and mood swings usually go away.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on August 22, 2012
at 03:01 AM

Oh good point. Have you just lowered carbs recently? Maybe your not fully adapted yet...(takes 2-4 weeks)

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 02:38 AM

Hah, I dislike your answer but you're probably right. ;)

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692130a35cb3e5052519a109f236e644

(26)

on August 22, 2012
at 01:14 AM

Stop the diet. You're not broken. I eat about two pints of ice cream every other day now along with more balanced meals and lift heavy. No diabeetus, no metabolic syndrome, I'm straight and no longer super depressed and going through life like I was underwater.

All the tweaks suggested are just bullshit.

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on August 22, 2012
at 01:36 AM

No way. The diet makes me feel physically well. For all I know, I was depressed before and I was literally too sick to notice.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on August 22, 2012
at 01:34 AM

2 pints of ice cream is a bad idea for everyone. You're addicted to food MattJ. Free yourself from the shackles of the food industry and eat healthy.

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