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sticking to VLC, VLF diet for longer than a week without body rebelling tips?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created December 27, 2012 at 3:36 AM

Once earlier this summer, I experimented with a very low carb, very low fat diet because I heard they're effective for losing fat...(I know it was probably dumb of me) No grains, no potatoes, no fruit, no nuts...It wasn't a true paleo diet because I allowed legumes, but I was doing cardio twice a day plus weight training...after a week I was feeling really yucky and I yeilded and had a big glass of apple juice and PB straight from the jar (I know, not healthy, not paleo) and I knew I was craving them not because I was stressed and craving a favorite flavor but my body was in sheer need of the fat and sugar in order to live. If I were to do something similar again, what can I do so my body doesn't rebel and so I don't feel lousy, or should I just stick to something different alltogether?

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on December 28, 2012
at 03:25 AM

@PilatesGatekeeper: Go slowly. Allow me to suggest reducing your carb intake first, if you're not already LC; then progress to the Ketogenic regimen.

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on December 27, 2012
at 08:06 PM

There is a reason why they're called "Art and Science" - it's not that easy. I'm still trying to find out what works 'optimally' for me. One advice that Phinney and Volek give is "when in doubt, eat more fat". I must say from personal experience that it is a very good advice :)

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on December 27, 2012
at 07:26 PM

That's exactly what I figured (as I said it was probably really dumb of me) I'm not doing cardio twice a day and I lift weights every other day now, but i'm still trying to get the hang of what my optimal macronutrient ratios are

A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on December 27, 2012
at 07:15 PM

Thanks I'll give those books a whirl. I knew there must be some way of being in ketosis and not feeling like a zombie.

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on December 27, 2012
at 02:01 PM

How much fat are you trying to lose? What is your starting point? (By weight or body fat %?) Low carb low fat is a BAD combo. Your body's got to get nourishment from *somewhere,* and boneless, skinless, white meat chicken ain't gonna cut it, my friend -- especially not with the amount of working out you're doing. Your body will fight you every step of the way.

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on December 27, 2012
at 07:02 AM

if you're gonna go very low carb, go all the way: ZC. no starches, no sugars, minimal vegetables/fibers too. a bit of carbs makes you crave more, but no carbs really seems to do the trick.

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2336245491a87ee15d4fb8f8f8283909

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on December 27, 2012
at 04:44 AM

A Ver low carb, very low fat diet isn't a good idea.. You would be better off with a moderate to low carb, moderate protein, higher fat diet.

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on December 27, 2012
at 04:46 AM

Don't go low carb and low fat at the same time? I mean that sounds pretty crazy, unhealthy, and miserable to me. What are you consuming then - protein and fiber? If your body was fighting this off to the point where you binged out on peanut butter and whatever else that should be a good indication that you weren't overcoming an addiction to carbs or sugars but rather depriving your body of much needed nutrition. Stick to something a little more high fat and maybe drop the chronic cardio; that's also not the best way to lose fat. In fact, it's probably doing more harm than good. And if you weight train every day when are you recovering from all that? Maybe cut back to two or three days a week of lifting, two days of LOW impact cardio like walking and stop trying to ditch every macro possible.

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Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on December 27, 2012
at 09:49 AM

If you're aiming for ketosis then you need to eat instead of the carbs. As others have already giving you some advice I'll not repeat all the that. My best advice would be for you to buy "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" which is the practitioners guide to living in ketosis. You can also get "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" which is more scientific but still possible to read for a layman.

Again, if you're aiming for ketosis please do your homework beforehand. Dont do like I did and jump head first into it, making a lot of mistakes and thereby feeling awful for an extended period.

A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on December 27, 2012
at 07:15 PM

Thanks I'll give those books a whirl. I knew there must be some way of being in ketosis and not feeling like a zombie.

Fce356005a83353009c11567c217a9bd

on December 28, 2012
at 03:25 AM

@PilatesGatekeeper: Go slowly. Allow me to suggest reducing your carb intake first, if you're not already LC; then progress to the Ketogenic regimen.

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on December 27, 2012
at 08:06 PM

There is a reason why they're called "Art and Science" - it's not that easy. I'm still trying to find out what works 'optimally' for me. One advice that Phinney and Volek give is "when in doubt, eat more fat". I must say from personal experience that it is a very good advice :)

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on December 27, 2012
at 04:53 AM

Your body can use carbs and fats for its main fuel. Take away both, and what is your body supposed to run on?

If you're going to experiment, start with a published plan from a reputable writer, stick with it for two months, and then change just one thing for two weeks, so you can tell if your variation is having an effect. Change that one thing back, and then change just one other thing for two weeks. Don't change multiple things at the same time, unless it's a combination of the single things you've already changed. Otherwise, you'll never be able to pinpoint what variation made the difference.

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on December 27, 2012
at 05:13 AM

VLC + VLF = VHP

What are you trying to accomplish with this diet? It is not a healthy long term diet for sure. If you are doing it temporarily to lose weight, you are doing something like a Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF). They are difficult, and you need to limit workouts.

If that's what you are trying to accomplish (lots of weight loss, fast), you should get some good advice. Either find a doctor who is experiende with the protocol or educate yourself.

If you choose self education, I would suggest checking out Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss Protocol. He has a book you can buy. Check it out at http://www.bodyrecomposition.com

Regards, Tony

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