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Please help hack my Crossfit, Ketosis, and protein shakes...

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 11, 2011 at 2:00 AM

So I am new to Paleo, crossfit, and ketosis. I have been Paleo for a little over three months and now I'm VLC and decided to give ketosis a try. I have been (shockingly) sucessful in staying in ketosis so far (about a little over a week and a half). I start crossfit next week and I feel I will defintely have to increase my carb intake before I workout via a protein shake or something along those lines. I am worred this will knock me out of ketosis, especially if I use the "forbidden" banana in my shakes. I was wondering if it would be wiser not to try to both ketosis and crossfit? If I could do both does anyone have any suggestions on extra carbs before working out? Actually, any advice regarding any of these subjects would be helpful!

P.S. I am crazy scared of crossfit! (I'm lacking in the strentgh and endurace areas, skinny does not equal athletic.)

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on September 12, 2011
at 12:00 AM

looks like you chose the answer you wanted to hear, every longterm paleo says crossfit and ketosis don't tango, up the carbs and stop being scared

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on September 11, 2011
at 05:17 PM

I've just found that I'm more competitive when I eat a bit more carbs. For me that means adding an apple (25g carbs) and/or a 5 oz sweet potatoe (also about 25 carbs) Carbs can be kind of radioactive for me though so I still have to be careful not to overdo them. When I've tried LC for extended periods I feel really over-exhuasted at the end of a high intensity workout and just generally slower and noticeably less explosive. YMMV! I'm a big fan of experimenting though and not getting stuck if what your doing is not working.

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on September 11, 2011
at 06:06 AM

Thanks for the link!

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on September 11, 2011
at 06:00 AM

I agree with that first paragraph. Crossfit is def a way of working out that calls for carbs in your system. Doesn't have to be right beforehand but just eating starch regularly.

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on September 11, 2011
at 04:12 AM

If you find you need to eat more grams of carbohydrate to exercise intensely, you can do this in a non-structured fashion by simply adding more fruits/veggies to your diet and not counting anything, or by counting total g carbs/day or by using a variant of a TKD (Targeted Ketogenic Diet) in which you consume a bolus of carbohydrate shortly before (and sometimes after) training: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=targeted+ketogenic+diet My preference would be KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid--just eat slightly more carbohydrate.

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on September 11, 2011
at 03:09 AM

Thanks so much! I am excited and nervous at the same time. This post really helps!

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on September 11, 2011
at 03:07 AM

I use it to keep my joint's from feeling like I'm 80 w/o fish oil my joints have a hard time coping with the stress of crossfit and my workouts.

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at 03:05 AM

I havent eaten over 50 carbs a day in months. I'm not sure if I wiuld want to. Are there benefits to it? I haven't had a sweet potato either!

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Yeah, I want to lean out as much as I can, I am by no means overweight, I am actually where I need to be as far as the scale goes, but skinny still jiggles, right? I want to be toned and get some definition. I am trying to lose that extra fat on my arms, thighs and belly.

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at 02:48 AM

I'm not sure a skinny person "must" have fish oil.

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on September 11, 2011
at 03:05 AM

I'm no pro, but i started CF 5 weeks prior to going paleo, and I'm on day 20 of my strict paleo challenge. I'm vlc, in ketosis, and my performance has not suffered one bit. I even PR'd in my front squat yesterday. I do not eat before working out. I've been in ketosis for almost 2 weeks now. You are probably already fat adapted, so my guess is you will be fine. I am so strict I'm not even eating fruit, and minimal nuts as I have about 15-20 pounds of fat to lose. Don't be afraid of CF. It's so fun, is always something different, and you'll likely surprise yourself with what you can accomplish with every WOD. Your coaches will help you scale if needed, and they have likely worked with ALL types of abilities. It is a super welcoming community, and you're going to have a blast. Talk to your coaches about your concerns with paleo and ketosis, as they likely are paleo or know a lot about it. My coaches are all giving me the thumbs up sign, and I couldn't be more pleased with my progress so far! One other thing to note - CF WODs are not meant to be long, as they are typically high intensity and short-lived. You will really see that you don't need, or want, all that sugar and crap before or after a workout. These are just my experiences and opinions.

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on September 11, 2011
at 03:09 AM

Thanks so much! I am excited and nervous at the same time. This post really helps!

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on September 11, 2011
at 02:20 AM

I personally don't think a crossfit type workout would be very productive while in ketosis and therefore the cons probably outweigh any benefits. While in ketosis, it is probably better to stick with short intense stuff or long easy stuff.

Maybe I am wrong but this has been my experience and the research I have done seems to support it. You might want to consider supplementing potassium and magnessium until fully keto-adapted if you insist on doing crossfit. It will help to keep you blood pressure in a normal range until you are fully keto-adapted (I think it helps with cramps too but don't hold me to that).

Also, consider researching a cyclical or targeted ketogenic diet...

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on September 11, 2011
at 06:00 AM

I agree with that first paragraph. Crossfit is def a way of working out that calls for carbs in your system. Doesn't have to be right beforehand but just eating starch regularly.

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on September 11, 2011
at 02:59 AM

Why do you wish to stay in ketosis? Fat loss?

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on September 11, 2011
at 04:12 AM

If you find you need to eat more grams of carbohydrate to exercise intensely, you can do this in a non-structured fashion by simply adding more fruits/veggies to your diet and not counting anything, or by counting total g carbs/day or by using a variant of a TKD (Targeted Ketogenic Diet) in which you consume a bolus of carbohydrate shortly before (and sometimes after) training: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=targeted+ketogenic+diet My preference would be KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid--just eat slightly more carbohydrate.

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on September 11, 2011
at 06:06 AM

Thanks for the link!

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on September 11, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Yeah, I want to lean out as much as I can, I am by no means overweight, I am actually where I need to be as far as the scale goes, but skinny still jiggles, right? I want to be toned and get some definition. I am trying to lose that extra fat on my arms, thighs and belly.

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on September 11, 2011
at 02:54 AM

I've done low carb, VLC, and CKD crossfit and it sucks. I am very competitive around 100 g of carbs a day and that's where I keep it. More then that and I tend to overdo it and lose control. Usually that means some fruit throughout the day, and a sweet potatoe or two after working out or in a meal sometime during the day. Post workout nutrition is more important then pre-workout.

Also another note is that high intensity exercise both depletes muscle and liver glycogen (which you need carbs to restore) but it also makes your muscles more insulin sensitive so while LC and VLC may be good for people who don't workout, its kind of counter - productive to do crossfit without carbs! I think it takes a fair amount of trial and error, but its worth it to learn to fuel your body right for the workouts your doing!

CKD as another poster mentions is interesting but the reality is that's really a technique for those who are already dialed in on their nutrition and just trying to get super lean. When normal people try that it backfires b/c it leads to binge episodes that are just stupid and hard to recover from.

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on September 11, 2011
at 03:05 AM

I havent eaten over 50 carbs a day in months. I'm not sure if I wiuld want to. Are there benefits to it? I haven't had a sweet potato either!

B2c50a97efefd8eea2624c57f3c04204

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on September 11, 2011
at 05:17 PM

I've just found that I'm more competitive when I eat a bit more carbs. For me that means adding an apple (25g carbs) and/or a 5 oz sweet potatoe (also about 25 carbs) Carbs can be kind of radioactive for me though so I still have to be careful not to overdo them. When I've tried LC for extended periods I feel really over-exhuasted at the end of a high intensity workout and just generally slower and noticeably less explosive. YMMV! I'm a big fan of experimenting though and not getting stuck if what your doing is not working.

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on September 11, 2011
at 02:20 AM

I can't specify whether or not ketosis would be bad while placing the body under physicall duress, but I can at least say that crossfit is not as scary as it looks. If you're not that strong you'll simply lift lighter weights (scalability). I usually grab an apple or bannana preworkout, and follow up with a recovery protein post workout (carbs and protein, usually progenex recovery). Sweet potatoes are a great pwo snack.

Edit. Supplementation with a multivitamin for active men and a good source of fish oil is a must.

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on September 11, 2011
at 02:48 AM

I'm not sure a skinny person "must" have fish oil.

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on September 11, 2011
at 03:07 AM

I use it to keep my joint's from feeling like I'm 80 w/o fish oil my joints have a hard time coping with the stress of crossfit and my workouts.

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