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Ketosis vs 6 Day LC with Cheat Day

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Created October 23, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I recently went low-carb, but find that I'm missing a lot of the old foods I used to eat.. but I like the way LC makes me feel and that is enough to keep me motivated.

Would it be more benificial to stay LC all the time and deal with the cravings (mostly mental) just to say in ketosis? Or would a "carb-refeed" be more beneficial in the long run?

I've read in various places (Tim Ferriss, 4-hour body most recently) that having at least one high carb day allows the body to reset (similar to muscle confusion) and helps with proper thyroid function.

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on October 24, 2012
at 03:56 PM

Thanks for the feedback. Like I said the carb thing is more a mental thing, I don't crave them.. but shit who doesn't like muffins/pancakes (gluten, processed sugar free of course)? If I could get away with eating paleo carb foods once a week and still see body fat loss over a longer period of time then I'll do it. BUT if I'm going to see a tremendous in body fat loss just sticking LC all the time, I'd do that instead. Guess I need to see what works for me.. it's just nice to hear what worked for other people before I try one or the other.

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on October 23, 2012
at 10:04 PM

yep i agree, once i was in properly in ketosis I almost forgot about carbs, like i would never need them again, I could go weeks without and my weight was great.

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on October 23, 2012
at 09:46 PM

I'm not really worried about "being in ketosis" just the health benefits of simply limiting carbohydrate intake. I know that part is good for me as I lift weights and work a desk job.. I don't NEED a lot of carbs. BUT would I be better off being ALWAYS low-carb to maybe hit ketosis occasionally?

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on October 23, 2012
at 09:44 PM

I don't have a binge problem, I always make sure I'm under or over my TDEE depending on workout/rest day. I'm coming from a mental/physical health stand point. Thanks though!

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on October 23, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Right now I'm following the StrongLifts program so I don't really need the carbs for performance. I always get adequate protein (170g per day.) My goals are to increase strength for as long as possible with as little fat gain as possible. I'm pretty apt in paleo cooking so my carbs would be paleo-fied muffins/brownies, rice and sweet pototoes. Wouldn't be eating pizza or other gluten products.

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on October 23, 2012
at 10:32 PM

I never got the point of the whole "ketosis cheat day thing". Ketosis is a kind of "all or nothing" thing. If you test your blood ketones in the early stages of ketosis you can see them slowly building up from day to day. It takes 3-4 days to start producing ketones in any significant quantity and longer to get to "deep purple" on a ketostix. You can blast yourself back to zero in a few moments by eating a high-carb meal (or even a high protein one).

Why continually put yourself in the transition stage, and go through all the trouble of getting yourself into ketosis, before blasting yourself out before you see any benefit?

I agree with Jank, you're probably not even in ketosis in the first place. I'd deal with your carb addiction before playing ketosis with the big boys.

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on October 24, 2012
at 03:56 PM

Thanks for the feedback. Like I said the carb thing is more a mental thing, I don't crave them.. but shit who doesn't like muffins/pancakes (gluten, processed sugar free of course)? If I could get away with eating paleo carb foods once a week and still see body fat loss over a longer period of time then I'll do it. BUT if I'm going to see a tremendous in body fat loss just sticking LC all the time, I'd do that instead. Guess I need to see what works for me.. it's just nice to hear what worked for other people before I try one or the other.

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on October 23, 2012
at 08:23 PM

Good question. Many other topics addressing the same thing. However, I'll give a brief answer.

Depends on your goals. It really does. That's a cliche answer, but for someone looking for great health, optimal cognitive function and just overall feeling better, the Ketosis/re-feed is less important, but the makeup of the foods is more important. You can be VLC 99% of the time, constantly in Ketosis and great at burning fat. If you goal is to not have digestive upset or other side effects, that 1% shouldn't be a re-feed with Gluten or toxic fat-laden products.

If your goal is strictly energy and performance, health might matter a bit less and you may be able to get away with this type of protocol. It's similar to the carb-backloading protocol. Same with Leangains. It CAN be made Paleo-adapted or not, but one of the attractions to those programs are NOT optimal health. They are performance or composition-based.

Review and evaluate your goals. Try different things. Understand the pros and cons. Change it if you don't like the results.

F8b40817910f7d8a905d3c31ed625109

(25)

on October 23, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Right now I'm following the StrongLifts program so I don't really need the carbs for performance. I always get adequate protein (170g per day.) My goals are to increase strength for as long as possible with as little fat gain as possible. I'm pretty apt in paleo cooking so my carbs would be paleo-fied muffins/brownies, rice and sweet pototoes. Wouldn't be eating pizza or other gluten products.

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on October 23, 2012
at 08:57 PM

You may not even be in ketosis as you think you are. People who are using the blood ketone meters to acheive nutritional ketosis are finding that they have to drastically lower their protein to stay in ketosis. Excess protein is converted to glucose through a process known as gluconeogenesis. THAT may be why you're still craving carbs.

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on October 23, 2012
at 09:46 PM

I'm not really worried about "being in ketosis" just the health benefits of simply limiting carbohydrate intake. I know that part is good for me as I lift weights and work a desk job.. I don't NEED a lot of carbs. BUT would I be better off being ALWAYS low-carb to maybe hit ketosis occasionally?

4e98420c55180862f3a3815339749ed4

on October 23, 2012
at 10:04 PM

yep i agree, once i was in properly in ketosis I almost forgot about carbs, like i would never need them again, I could go weeks without and my weight was great.

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on October 23, 2012
at 08:37 PM

I found that allowing myself "cheat" anything set me up for failure BIG TIME!!! It encouraged binging on my part. Sticking to my low carb plan allowed me to kick cravings and stop binging, something I never in a million years thought I could accomplish.

Like KA24 mentioned, it does depend on your goals and how your body handles low carb. If you are very active, you may need more carbs to function at your optimal level, but you may thrive at your current level of carbs.

F8b40817910f7d8a905d3c31ed625109

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on October 23, 2012
at 09:44 PM

I don't have a binge problem, I always make sure I'm under or over my TDEE depending on workout/rest day. I'm coming from a mental/physical health stand point. Thanks though!

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