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Ketosis - rising and falling energy

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 14, 2013 at 4:53 AM

Has this happened to you?

I'm trying to kickstart ketosis again after a few weeks of eating a moderate carb diet. Just like last time I did this, I am in a remarkably good mood. I am extremely sleepy, with a craving to go to bed. Around 7 tonight, I was about to climb into bed, but at the last minute I decided to go for a walk outside. This is not normal for me; I usually have to push myself to go for a walk, and usually only for like 30 mins at a time.

For some reason, I couldn't seem to quit walking and went for 2 hours straight, and only went back inside bc some mysterious rattling noises in the dark spooked me.

As soon as I sat down, my fatigue returned and I began yawning again. I get why I'm sleepy as my body uses up leftover glycogen, but why the sudden urge to take a long walk (for me)? Is there a way I can feel this way without having to switch between glucose and ketones all the time?

And why no urge to clean the kitchen? Seriously, I need to clean the kitchen.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 16, 2013
at 05:18 AM

Not sure but that was Dr. Cate's advice - I had a SKype appointment with her. She says it is necessary to prevent problems with thyroids. She recommended to up my carbs to have between 50 and 65 carb grams on the third day (and to have between 40 and 50 the first two days).

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

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on July 15, 2013
at 10:09 PM

VB- that is good advice. I was afraid you were telling me to go back to moderate carb. Actually, just today I found another way of adding more fat into my diet, by grilling slabs of veggies and dipping them in grassfed butter. It makes veggies that I've never liked absolutely delish. I will try carrots next time. Now I'm curious tho--what is it about every third day? I ask bc I noticed that's about how long my body seems to need to recover after a very bad cheat day. Is there something special about 3 days?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 15, 2013
at 05:47 PM

Dragonfly, have you ever checked your gut flora? Please do - because being bloated and sluggish for a day or two after carbs is one of the symptoms.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 15, 2013
at 05:45 PM

Habibti, you can still be VLC and up your carbs every third day. Nobody tells you to eat cream puffs, just add some raw carrots with coconut oil :) Good luck and listen to your body! Also, you can be sensitive to carbs due to intestinal parasites or pathogenic bacteria.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 15, 2013
at 03:12 PM

Thank you Dragonfly! I love this website. I just watched his TED talk last night. Very moving. Diabetes runs in my family so I really appreciate the work he is trying to do. I'll have to go into ketosis for a few more times to really see where I thrive the best at, but I have a good feeling VLC is best for me. Thank you for your personal experience!

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

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on July 15, 2013
at 03:02 PM

VB - I can't verify that I'm truly in ketosis, since I don't have access to the stix. But I do seem to be fairly sensitive to carbs when it comes to weight gain and mood regulation. At least for short periods of time, I need to eat VLC to lose weight. But I thank you very much for posting the link so I can weigh the evidence for and against ketosis.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

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on July 15, 2013
at 02:54 PM

I've only been in keto for a few days. My energy started crashing the next day around 3, but I was not in a situation where I could get up and take a walk. I think you're right though--when I feel this way I should take advantage of it and start doing some sort of physical activity.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 15, 2013
at 07:37 AM

@Julius - there have never been a culture in human history that survived on eating fats and proteins only a year around. Even meat-eating hunter-gatherers like Hadza drink milk (carbs) part of the year. Japanese florish on high carb diets (white rice, soba noodles, etc.) Inuits and eskimo eat bulbs and berries, there is research to back it up.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 15, 2013
at 07:32 AM

@Dragonfly - my assertions are based on solid evidence: http://drcate.com/going-low-carb-too-fast-may-trigger-thyroid-troubles-and-hormone-imbalance/ That's why Ray Peat still exists - he helps people to restore their thyroids issues.

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on July 14, 2013
at 11:45 PM

I would have to say that is untrue also VB. There are MANY people who do not eat any carbs that are very healthy and happy. The truth is, humans do not NEED carbohydrates. We do need fats and proteins, but there have been entire cultures that have survived 1000 years with very low to no carbohydrates.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on July 14, 2013
at 11:40 PM

VB - your assertions about thyroid/vlc aren't true. How about some evidence to the contrary:http://aworldlymonk.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/low-carb-diets-and-hypothyroidism-a-false-alarm/

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on July 14, 2013
at 06:26 PM

No, it has something to do with your thyroids. If you keep VLCHF for a long period of time, her thyroids goes crazy and then you might even damage it. The only way to prevent it is to increase your carb intake every third day on this diet. On every third day have a protein-rich breakfast and then a carb-heavy (meaning safe carbs, of course) second or third meal. Good luck!

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

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on July 14, 2013
at 03:09 PM

Oh my goodness. I can't believe this keeps happening to me. Sorry AGAIN for the duplicate.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

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on July 14, 2013
at 03:08 PM

That's a good point. However, I seem to do better on a VLCHF diet, at least for short periods of time. I must have been using up my glycogen stores yesterday, which explains my sleepiness. But I also felt euphoric. Also, my two gut urges at 7 pm were: 1) fall asleep and, 2) take a walk (which is rarely something I want to do, especially when eating carbs). So my question relates more to the possible benefits some might experience when switching to a low-carb diet.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 14, 2013
at 03:08 PM

That's a good point. However, I seem to do better on a VLCHF diet, at least for short periods of time. I must have been using up my glycogen stores yesterday, which explains my sleepiness. But I also felt euphoric. Also, my two gut urges at 7 pm were: 1) fall asleep and, 2) take a walk (which is rarely something I want to do, especially when eating carbs). So my question relates more to the possible benefits some might experience when switching to a low-carb diet.

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on July 14, 2013
at 04:55 AM

Sorry, I didn't mean to create a duplicate. Internet issues...

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on July 14, 2013
at 11:46 PM

These articles may be helpful re: advantages of ketosis:

http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/ketosis-advantaged-or-misunderstood-state-part-i

http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/ketosis-advantaged-or-misunderstood-state-part-ii

My personal experience is that I have more consistent energy if I stay in or close to ketosis all of the time. When I carb up, I feel bloated and sluggish for a day or two. Everyone's metabolism is different, so you may need to play around to see what works for you.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 15, 2013
at 05:47 PM

Dragonfly, have you ever checked your gut flora? Please do - because being bloated and sluggish for a day or two after carbs is one of the symptoms.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 15, 2013
at 03:12 PM

Thank you Dragonfly! I love this website. I just watched his TED talk last night. Very moving. Diabetes runs in my family so I really appreciate the work he is trying to do. I'll have to go into ketosis for a few more times to really see where I thrive the best at, but I have a good feeling VLC is best for me. Thank you for your personal experience!

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F00050d678de2dc749a86b4d3f2ffc0c

on July 14, 2013
at 11:32 PM

How long have you been in keto for? For some people (everyone is different), this will only happen at the beginning of going back into keto.

As far as energy swings, MTC preferably virgin cold pressed coconut oil works wonders for keeping your energy up. Just take a small spoonful right out of the jar. Many people use supplements as well. I take Rhodiola and B-Complex for energy.

Also, if you use ketostix, find your carb threshold. Some people are able to eat 70g+ of carbs each day and stay in keto.

I don't know how you feel about it, but Qigong made a huge difference in my quality of life. Coupled with a Paleo diet free of hormones, pesticides, grains, antibiotics, GMO's, ect. it works wonders. Paleo/Qigong have changed my life dramatically. If you are interested I can make some suggestions. Good luck!

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 15, 2013
at 02:54 PM

I've only been in keto for a few days. My energy started crashing the next day around 3, but I was not in a situation where I could get up and take a walk. I think you're right though--when I feel this way I should take advantage of it and start doing some sort of physical activity.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Being too low on carbs is not beneficial for some people. You can have sweet potatoes or white rice. Why not to stay on whole food diet.

Just stick to your moderate carb diet, no processed foods. Eat well!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 16, 2013
at 05:18 AM

Not sure but that was Dr. Cate's advice - I had a SKype appointment with her. She says it is necessary to prevent problems with thyroids. She recommended to up my carbs to have between 50 and 65 carb grams on the third day (and to have between 40 and 50 the first two days).

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 15, 2013
at 03:02 PM

VB - I can't verify that I'm truly in ketosis, since I don't have access to the stix. But I do seem to be fairly sensitive to carbs when it comes to weight gain and mood regulation. At least for short periods of time, I need to eat VLC to lose weight. But I thank you very much for posting the link so I can weigh the evidence for and against ketosis.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 14, 2013
at 03:09 PM

Oh my goodness. I can't believe this keeps happening to me. Sorry AGAIN for the duplicate.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 15, 2013
at 07:32 AM

@Dragonfly - my assertions are based on solid evidence: http://drcate.com/going-low-carb-too-fast-may-trigger-thyroid-troubles-and-hormone-imbalance/ That's why Ray Peat still exists - he helps people to restore their thyroids issues.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 14, 2013
at 03:08 PM

That's a good point. However, I seem to do better on a VLCHF diet, at least for short periods of time. I must have been using up my glycogen stores yesterday, which explains my sleepiness. But I also felt euphoric. Also, my two gut urges at 7 pm were: 1) fall asleep and, 2) take a walk (which is rarely something I want to do, especially when eating carbs). So my question relates more to the possible benefits some might experience when switching to a low-carb diet.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 14, 2013
at 06:26 PM

No, it has something to do with your thyroids. If you keep VLCHF for a long period of time, her thyroids goes crazy and then you might even damage it. The only way to prevent it is to increase your carb intake every third day on this diet. On every third day have a protein-rich breakfast and then a carb-heavy (meaning safe carbs, of course) second or third meal. Good luck!

F00050d678de2dc749a86b4d3f2ffc0c

(321)

on July 14, 2013
at 11:45 PM

I would have to say that is untrue also VB. There are MANY people who do not eat any carbs that are very healthy and happy. The truth is, humans do not NEED carbohydrates. We do need fats and proteins, but there have been entire cultures that have survived 1000 years with very low to no carbohydrates.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 14, 2013
at 03:08 PM

That's a good point. However, I seem to do better on a VLCHF diet, at least for short periods of time. I must have been using up my glycogen stores yesterday, which explains my sleepiness. But I also felt euphoric. Also, my two gut urges at 7 pm were: 1) fall asleep and, 2) take a walk (which is rarely something I want to do, especially when eating carbs). So my question relates more to the possible benefits some might experience when switching to a low-carb diet.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on July 14, 2013
at 11:40 PM

VB - your assertions about thyroid/vlc aren't true. How about some evidence to the contrary:http://aworldlymonk.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/low-carb-diets-and-hypothyroidism-a-false-alarm/

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 15, 2013
at 07:37 AM

@Julius - there have never been a culture in human history that survived on eating fats and proteins only a year around. Even meat-eating hunter-gatherers like Hadza drink milk (carbs) part of the year. Japanese florish on high carb diets (white rice, soba noodles, etc.) Inuits and eskimo eat bulbs and berries, there is research to back it up.

000b577c681739e84708aeb45e6a9428

(20)

on July 15, 2013
at 10:09 PM

VB- that is good advice. I was afraid you were telling me to go back to moderate carb. Actually, just today I found another way of adding more fat into my diet, by grilling slabs of veggies and dipping them in grassfed butter. It makes veggies that I've never liked absolutely delish. I will try carrots next time. Now I'm curious tho--what is it about every third day? I ask bc I noticed that's about how long my body seems to need to recover after a very bad cheat day. Is there something special about 3 days?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on July 15, 2013
at 05:45 PM

Habibti, you can still be VLC and up your carbs every third day. Nobody tells you to eat cream puffs, just add some raw carrots with coconut oil :) Good luck and listen to your body! Also, you can be sensitive to carbs due to intestinal parasites or pathogenic bacteria.

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