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Ketosis Ratios and Protein Consumption

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 11, 2010 at 11:44 PM

I am looking to dial in my diet a bit further for the next month, there has been a bit too much cheating going on lately, and my body comp is suffering. I am interested in doing a full out ketogenic diet for the next month or so. I am already consuming less than 50g carbohydrates most days, I do throw in the odd higher carb day currently for glycogen repletion. I am concerned that I might be eatting too much protein 1g per lb body weight. fat sitting around 65% of my current diet. Is this correct or do I need to dial back the protein to avoid gluconeogenisis from converting excess protein back into blood glucose.

I guess other factors to consider are activity: Doing crossfit WODs 3 times a week trying to also throw in the occasional longer less intense workout.

Also I think that I might be recovering from some adrenal fatigue, and still have a bit of a cortisol imbalance. Will Ketosis help or hinder this condition?

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on August 19, 2012
at 09:31 PM

Good question. There is some, albeit limited, room for protein storage. Where does the body get the substrate for GNG after a few hours fasting?

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on August 19, 2012
at 09:01 PM

My immediate, uninformed thought (without having looked into it properly) is: what else would the body do with it?

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on August 19, 2012
at 08:38 PM

I've been questioning the evidence that excess protein is converted into excess glucose: http://www.ketotic.org/2012/08/if-you-eat-excess-protein-does-it-turn.html

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on September 12, 2010
at 04:15 AM

Thank you very much for the link to the article, and for this information. It is most helpful.

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on August 19, 2010
at 09:41 AM

Yes, but presumably you wouldn't want to be consuming fewer calories at the expense of fat mobilisation.

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on August 11, 2010
at 04:24 PM

On the other hand, protein has a thermogenic effect, and is very filling, which might help you eat less calories.

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on June 12, 2010
at 08:53 AM

You sound like you've been listening to Robb Wolf podcasts... ;)

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on June 12, 2010
at 05:27 AM

Earl, is that an answer or a question (or a comment, in which case why not use the "comment" feature)?

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on June 12, 2010
at 01:55 AM

I think that a lot of those topics just happen to have a Venn overlap with eating in a paleo way. If you're already eating paleo and looking to burn some fat, is a question about ketosis that out of line?

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E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on June 12, 2010
at 07:42 AM

I am concerned that I might be eatting too much protein 1g per lb body weight. fat sitting around 65% of my current diet.

This article (oft-cited by me) suggests that excess protein will retard ketosis and fat mobilisation above around 25% of calories from protein. 1g per lb for me would work out at slightly below that, but for some-one who eats fewer calories relative to bodyweight it could be more. The article suggests that the optimal range for athletes is between 1.2-1.7g per KG of bodyweight, so 1g/lb will be substantially more. Ultimately it will come down to your bodies particular needs though, as you note- do I need to dial back the protein to avoid gluconeogenisis from converting excess protein back into blood glucose- once you're consuming more protein than your body will use for sheer structural repair then the excess is just a metabolically stressful way of consuming glucose.

Af842c68e3d07fa0e35b4274f3acaeec

on August 11, 2010
at 04:24 PM

On the other hand, protein has a thermogenic effect, and is very filling, which might help you eat less calories.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on August 19, 2010
at 09:41 AM

Yes, but presumably you wouldn't want to be consuming fewer calories at the expense of fat mobilisation.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on September 12, 2010
at 04:15 AM

Thank you very much for the link to the article, and for this information. It is most helpful.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on August 19, 2012
at 08:38 PM

I've been questioning the evidence that excess protein is converted into excess glucose: http://www.ketotic.org/2012/08/if-you-eat-excess-protein-does-it-turn.html

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on August 19, 2012
at 09:01 PM

My immediate, uninformed thought (without having looked into it properly) is: what else would the body do with it?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on August 19, 2012
at 09:31 PM

Good question. There is some, albeit limited, room for protein storage. Where does the body get the substrate for GNG after a few hours fasting?

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on June 12, 2010
at 04:38 AM

everyone is different in terms of carb requirements, get keto sticks to make sure you are actually in ketosis.

65% fat, <50g of carbs and the rest protein sounds pretty reasonable.. part of getting into ketosis faster can be depleting glycogen stores either via fast, and less than 20g carb a day adjustment period or cardio.

You could probably just get away with lowering carbs slightly and skipping your glycogen replenishment, and/or move the majority of your carbs to either when you first get up or before your workouts.

No idea on the adrenal fatigue, I'd check pubmed, and try quitting any stimulants that may be exacerbating the issue (caffeine etc..)

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on June 12, 2010
at 01:33 AM

When did Paleo Hacks turn into an Atkins-esque/Ketogenic/Induction-Phase/Livin-La-Vida-Low-Carb weight loss diet tip board?

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on June 12, 2010
at 05:27 AM

Earl, is that an answer or a question (or a comment, in which case why not use the "comment" feature)?

628978d2e1ae51dd97afd9c35f699b75

(688)

on June 12, 2010
at 01:55 AM

I think that a lot of those topics just happen to have a Venn overlap with eating in a paleo way. If you're already eating paleo and looking to burn some fat, is a question about ketosis that out of line?

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