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ketosis - ketoacidosis just a difference of degree. so why promote ketosis?

Commented on May 12, 2012
Created May 08, 2012 at 10:35 PM

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Why isnt Ketoacidosis a problem for LC and VLC Paleo-eaters?

my daughter was just diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes Mellitus (T1DM), so through misfortune I have become intimately aware of the biochemistry of ketosis and ketoacidosis. everywhere i read paleos and meat-eaters say that ketosis is good for the body, even on a prolonged basis. well, i asked my daughter's pediatrician about this, and he said that wasn't true.

my daughter's doctor said that the only difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis is that, without any insulin, T1DMs have a much more rapid increase in the blood ketones (high blood ketones = ketoacidosis) than someone who induces ketosis through dietary means. in other words, the risks for kidney and liver damage, not to mention muscle wasting, are similar between low carbers and T1DMs, with the exception that the risk of short-term injury is much greater to T1DMs, simply because they lack the biochemical ability to metabolize ANY carbs b/c of the lack of insulin.

a long term high protein/low carb eater is at the same risk for long range kidney/liver damage, except that damage takes place on a much smaller scale over a much longer time frame.

so, having mentioned all of this, why do some folks here and elsewhere promote ketosis as a healthy condition? why do some folks here and elsewhere promote eating obscene amounts of protein, despite the known health risks? as someone who deals with my daughter's genetic health condition, i want to know why this dangerous lifestyle is promoted here and elsewhere? thank you for considering.

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on May 12, 2012
at 01:27 AM

I can also connect you with plenty of professors and doctors who follow a keto diet.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 12, 2012
at 01:26 AM

I and probably most others here eat only 100% grass fed meat.

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:42 PM

melissa: when you use the word "um" beginning a comment, i automatically lose respect for your authority. you are being snarky. i thought a moderator was about being moderate? about seeking the middle way and protecting truth and integrity?

43fc93341e50688992ebd7de8535da18

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:41 PM

ok, i am going to breathe deeply and answer all of these questions. T1DM (NOT Type 2) is a metabolic condition that is deeply rooted to diet. so i trust a doctor who is a professor of endocrinology and the chair of a childhood diabetes dept. second, the inuit people do not only eat meat. they eat sea vegetables, and they also eat anmials that eat abundant sea vegetables. that is a lot different than a person gobbling down factory-raised, corn fed steak and eggs, which is what the majority of the ppl here are prolly eating anyhow (given the cost of responsible meat).

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on May 09, 2012
at 02:21 AM

How wouldn't steak and eggs everyday be good? Why would you trust any doctor, however preeminent, one anything related to nutrition? Yeah, I would trust the preeminent heart surgeon to operate my my heart, but face it, doctors no matter how preeminent don't know jack about nutrition.

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on May 08, 2012
at 11:14 PM

Drowning is just drinking to a different degree.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 08, 2012
at 10:52 PM

What else would an Inuit eat for calories besides meat anyway? I wouldn't judge your friend.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 08, 2012
at 10:52 PM

Also there are plenty of MDs with just as much authority as your MD who promote ketogenic dits as one of the best treatments for epilepsy.http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=therapeutic+ketogenic&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C14&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 08, 2012
at 10:51 PM

Um, a doctor is trained on how to treat a specific condition, they have no authority on biochemistry or anthropology. Your question wasn't censored, it was a duplicate and I referred you to the question that answered your concerns. It is clear that you only accept the authority of that doctor and other people's opinions do not matter. If you are actually interested in reading expert scientists, I would suggest researching people like stephen cunnane.

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:47 PM

also: just b/c the inuit for example eat a meat-centric diet doesn't mean that they stuff themselves with meat like the typical paleo eater does.there is a big difference of quantity, i am sure. i have a paleo friend who eats a steak and eggs for breakfast every day. how is that good for him?

43fc93341e50688992ebd7de8535da18

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:45 PM

i should have said "his life's work is based upon study of that metabolism." this site censors people who aren't paleo worshippers. sheesh!

43fc93341e50688992ebd7de8535da18

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:44 PM

how can you say that the preeminent T1DM doctor in Wisconsin is misinformed about this metabolic condition when his life is based upon that exact metabolism. the way he explained it was crystal clear to me. it is simply a difference of degree and the presence of insulin that prevents ketosis from tipping into ketoacidosis. but he also said that liver and kidney damage DO occur, though on a smaller scale, in ketosis. the name of the doctor is david wyatt, chair of the dept. of endocrinology at children's hospital of wisconsin. i asked him and this is the answer he gave me face to face.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 08, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Also I recommend reading http://robbwolf.com/2011/06/16/clearing-up-kidney-confusion-part-deux/ Your doctor is simply not informed. THere are entire cultures who exist on such diets their entire lives and have perfectly healthy kidneys.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 08, 2012
at 10:38 PM

Good question, but it is a popular one and much has been written about it already. You can find even more by putting ketoacidosis in our search box.

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