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How do I survive low-carbs & high protein? Feel like I'm dying...

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 15, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Hi guys, I'd love your help. I'm on day 12 of Paleo, and I went from a pasta-heavy (though pretty healthy)diet onto full Paleo because I needed to lose weight. Day 4 I could hardly walk and I had t cancel meetings and go back to bed. Then I felt a bit better. Day 7 I had to go back to bed again. I had zero energy and couldn't even walk up the stairs in my house without collapsing into bed. I haven't ever felt hungry on the diet (which is a Paleo miracle that I absolutely love), but I've felt like my body was cannibalising itself. In general I'm fairly sensible, and feel that maybe I've gone a bit OTT by going to such a protein-heavy diet (from about 15% to 50%). I'm very active and have to cycle to work and back, about 15 km (the reason i went Paleo was because I couldn't believe I was doing that much exercise, not eating more than I usually do, and yet not losing weight). But I'm so tired on the diet (I can literally feel my muscles searching for energy that isn't there), that I'm worried a) I can't keep up my active lifestyle and b) maybe I'm actually doing something really dangerous to my body. I went on the Internet and read all about ketosis - which made me feel better because I decided I wasn't actually dying - but my good friend who is a distinguished doctor is begging me to stop the diet because he says over-eating protein can lead to devastating other illnesses, and in extreme cases, can even kill you. Any thoughts? And if I wanted to increase my carbs a bit (just because my body seems to need the energy to function), any suggestions? My average diet is: Breakfast: an avocado, fruit (strawberries, blueberries, grapes, banana), almond and walnuts. Or 3 times a week I have scrambled eggs or an omelette. Lunch: salmon sashimi, or grilled chicken with big salad Snack: some nuts and lots of fruit - blackberries, melon, mango, pineapple Dinner: grilled fish or steak or lamb chops or lean Paleo-recipe meatballs with another big salad, usually endives, fennel etc. Lots of olive oil. A small amount of dried apricots and a few more nuts.

I haven't ever added up carb values vs protein etc, just looking at the diet suggestions in the Paleo Diet book this looked about right. Have I missed out a better way of getting carbohydrates? Or maybe I'm missing fat? Or maybe it's fine and I just have to feel exhausted every time I run up a few stairs (a problem I never had before), and it'll pass in the next few weeks or even days. Would love any thoughts. Am determined not to fall off the wagon unless I think I'm seriously harming myself...

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on May 19, 2011
at 12:10 PM

Yeah absoltuely agree with Old Bea, maybe read some more up to date paleo literature? The stance on a lot of things delvelopes with new research, it's wy I like this community so much, they don't just kick in there heels if new scientific evidence comes to light.

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on May 17, 2011
at 10:22 AM

Tamsyn, there are several Hackers from the UK. Take a look at http://paleohacks.com/questions/11041/how-many-people-on-here-are-from-the-united-kingdom#axzz1MbQ3oBei and http://paleohacks.com/questions/11041/how-many-people-on-here-are-from-the-united-kingdom#axzz1Jxdo5FR8

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on May 17, 2011
at 10:16 AM

There's several types all commonly available depending whereabouts you are: Kerrygold is the obvious one, Yeo Valley produce an organic butter.

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on May 17, 2011
at 10:13 AM

There is a basic glossary on this site to save lots of internet searching: http://paleohacks.com/questions/1138/what-are-all-of-these-paleo-related-acronyms-and-terminologies#axzz1MbQ3oBei

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on May 17, 2011
at 10:07 AM

The thing with fruit is the fructose content. Some fruits are better than others for various reasons (blueberries, other berries, melon) but if you want to lose weight limit your daily intake. Take a look at http://paleohacks.com/questions/38483/what-is-a-good-intake-of-fruit#axzz1MbQ3oBei

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on May 17, 2011
at 09:47 AM

Tamsyn, "paleo" has many versions therefore different advices. It is my understanding that Robb recommends lean meat if you are buying grain feed meat. I suspect he goes more in depth in his podcast so happy listening ;)

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 05:48 AM

PS it'd be great if you could get Rob to add this stuff to his book - if you follow what's in the book, which doesn't mention anything about these side effects, you can really end up in trouble. Lastly, for everyone who mentioned fit day.com, thanks, it'll change my life!

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 05:05 AM

Michael I'm about to buy the book right now... And in the meantime I'm of to get potassium pills. They'll hopefully extend my life expectancy beyond next week :-)

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 05:03 AM

Thats fantastic news on the sweet potatoe front... A I mentioned on a comment above, I'm a sweet potato addict but thought they were completely banned (at least the Paleo Diet book says they are). Also, cos they're so sweet, won't that spike sugar levels? But anyway, without something like this I just don't think my bod can manage... Really helpful to hear your story.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 05:00 AM

So glad to hear someone's been in the death zone, and is still alive... Thanks!

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 04:59 AM

Ha ha, funny that... And people have said a lot more butter, but I thought butter was strictly banned as dairy under Paleo. I've googled "grass fed butter" here in Uk and on a first glance couldn't find any stockists where i am in UK, but will persevere.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 04:57 AM

I love the recipe - and basically, as far as I can work out from what everyone's written, I just have to ignore some of the stuff in the book (sweet potatoes are a favourite for me, but in the book they're listed under "foods to avoid", so I did. I'm not going to ask you what WODs are, cos I must be able to google it... Thanks!

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 04:53 AM

But Andy how come the Paleo Diet book says to only eat lean meat? I think I'm going to go with what you say though...

6e24575aafccf63e02172715b3cd60ef

(6)

on May 16, 2011
at 09:55 PM

Stephan mentions a ceiling of 35% here http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/12/myth-of-high-protein-diet.html

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Really helpful re fit day. Am going to do it first thing tomorrow. Thanks very much - to you, and all other answers. Have to turn iPad off now before husband divorces me, but will give feedback on all, especially when i get a bit more energy from following their advice! X

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Thanks - sadly I'm one of those "all or nothing" people. But if other comments don't work I'll go this route

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:48 PM

Wow - the information here is invaluable. If I wasn't so exhausted (have just seen all these posts after long and stressful day chairing a conference at work) I'd answer them more in a lot of detail; suffice to say my diet changes tomorrow.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:45 PM

Brilliant - really thoughtful and helpful, might just keep me alive, thanks x

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:44 PM

Really helpful, especially fitday.com - hadn't heard of it before. The % are also really useful. And good to know I should be aiming for 3 months...

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:42 PM

When I said "healthy", I meant pre-paleo healthy - lots of pasta with grilled vegetables, chickpeas, lentils, all the things that normal people living on pizza and ice-cream think are healthy. Anyway, good to hear the fat message again... Thanks!

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Just didnt feel anything like flu. But now you've mentioned it, I've looked it up (hadn't heard of it before, I'm that green!) and you're right it could be.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Thanks for encouragement. Im confused aboutbthe fruit: the Paleo Diet book says you can eat as much of the fruits in the "good list" as you want - but everyone here seems to agree I've eaten too much fruit. Being able to eat as much fruit as I liked was one of the things that attracted me to the diet, oh well, never mind, it's got lots if other plus points.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:35 PM

Right, I'm starting ti get the picture - thank you!

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:30 PM

Thanks very much for advice - being uninitiated (and English living in the UK) I don't know what things like 5htp mean, but I'll find out! Will follow all other advice. Thanks again.

37dcc6814c487be3dda1377c680809c2

(110)

on May 16, 2011
at 01:14 PM

I agree with you Carly. I imagine that the amount of fruit may be causing spikes in your blood sugar, which may be a contributing factor to why you are feeling tired as well, expecially eating alot of fruit in the morning at breakfast without enought protein and fat. It will take a bit of experimentation on your part, everyone's body is different, but well worth it to pursue and get it right for you. You WILL feel amazing and the bodyfat will come off!

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on May 16, 2011
at 08:40 AM

Any sources for the number ? Thanks !

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on May 15, 2011
at 11:36 PM

very simple.......take 200 mgs of 5htp for 4-6 weeks while you adapt. Add L-theanine daily as well. 50-200mgs are fine. Once it works just promise to tell everyone else so I dont have to keep reading as a question.....its Paleo 101 really. I got to get Robb to add that to his book in the next addition.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 15, 2011
at 11:34 PM

Yes on the switch to ketone-burning. From Stephen Phinney's paper on on performance and keto diets: "[T]his keto-adapatation period [...] is clearly longer than one week and likely well advanced within 3–4 weeks. [It] does not appear to happen any faster in highly trained athletes than in overweight or untrained individuals. [It] appears to require consistent adherence to carbohydrate restriction, as people who intermittently consume carbohydrates while attempting a ketogenic diet report subjectively reduced exercise tolerance." http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/2

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 15, 2011
at 11:33 PM

Yes on the switch to ketone-burning. From Stephen Phinney's paper on performance and keto diets: "[T]his keto-adapatation period [...] is clearly longer than one week and likely well advanced within 3–4 weeks. [It] does not appear to happen any faster in highly trained athletes than in overweight or untrained individuals. [It] appears to require consistent adherence to carbohydrate restriction, as people who intermittently consume carbohydrates while attempting a ketogenic diet report subjectively reduced exercise tolerance."

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(20436)

on May 15, 2011
at 09:55 PM

Adding more good fat should work as suggested all over here. If you still feel bad, have a little bit of starchy tuber (potato/yam) with lots of butter, of course. Even a bit of white rice is acceptable, if not optimal. It takes a while for your mitochondria to fully adapt to fat burning (or a lack of carbs). If you continue very low carb, be sure to add sodium/potassium (broth or Lite salt are good sources).

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 15, 2011
at 09:36 PM

http://www.gnolls.org/?s=the+science+behind+&submit.x=17&submit.y=8 I am 67 years old and eat 6 eggs a day fried in coconut oil plus 1/8 lb bacon every day. Plus dinner is usually a 16 oz fatty steak panfried in coconut oil/butter plus salad with copious amounts of olive oil and vinegar. I am 6' 2" 160. lost 50lbs eating this way. Active 3x/week softball, sprinting 2x/week tabata style. Intermittant fast 2x/week 36 hours. The listlessness will abate. Eat more fat

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 15, 2011
at 09:29 PM

http://www.gnolls.org/?s=the+science+behind+&submit.x=17&submit.y=8 The science behind low carb flu. Eat 75-80%fat, 10=15%protein, less than 5% carbs. Eat more fat!!

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on May 15, 2011
at 09:11 PM

+1 This exactly! 50% protein? OMG. More fat, less fruit.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 15, 2011
at 08:48 PM

You need WAY more fat! Also, cut out the fruit and the high-Omega 6 foods-chicken and nuts. No place for "lean" anything on my plate. Substitute the olive oil for coconut oil and add lots of grass-fed butter. You need to get your fat levels up to 65%-80% of your intake. Its no wonder you felt exhausted.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on May 15, 2011
at 09:11 PM

+1 This exactly! 50% protein? OMG. More fat, less fruit.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:35 PM

Right, I'm starting ti get the picture - thank you!

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on May 15, 2011
at 09:08 PM

Way more fat and far less fruit. Eat more protein for breakfast too. You wont be low carb with that amount of fruit. Generally the best way to lose weight (if that is your goal) is high fat, moderate protein and low carb, go way easier on the fruits and nuts or your weight loss will stall. Also a lot of people do go through a "transitional phase" where for what ever reason you may lack energy for the first couple of weeks, sometimes longer. It's really worth hanging on in there though as if you do hs whole paleo thing well enough, you should see massive improvements in your energy levels with time. Good luck :)

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on May 17, 2011
at 10:07 AM

The thing with fruit is the fructose content. Some fruits are better than others for various reasons (blueberries, other berries, melon) but if you want to lose weight limit your daily intake. Take a look at http://paleohacks.com/questions/38483/what-is-a-good-intake-of-fruit#axzz1MbQ3oBei

37dcc6814c487be3dda1377c680809c2

(110)

on May 16, 2011
at 01:14 PM

I agree with you Carly. I imagine that the amount of fruit may be causing spikes in your blood sugar, which may be a contributing factor to why you are feeling tired as well, expecially eating alot of fruit in the morning at breakfast without enought protein and fat. It will take a bit of experimentation on your part, everyone's body is different, but well worth it to pursue and get it right for you. You WILL feel amazing and the bodyfat will come off!

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Thanks for encouragement. Im confused aboutbthe fruit: the Paleo Diet book says you can eat as much of the fruits in the "good list" as you want - but everyone here seems to agree I've eaten too much fruit. Being able to eat as much fruit as I liked was one of the things that attracted me to the diet, oh well, never mind, it's got lots if other plus points.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on May 19, 2011
at 12:10 PM

Yeah absoltuely agree with Old Bea, maybe read some more up to date paleo literature? The stance on a lot of things delvelopes with new research, it's wy I like this community so much, they don't just kick in there heels if new scientific evidence comes to light.

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02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on May 15, 2011
at 10:16 PM

I keep on hearing this story, and I always want to say the same thing: I was able to lose over 40 pounds while never being very low-carb. I ate plenty of fruit- though if I had to do it over again I would favor starches over fruit.

I know a lot of people do well with very low-carb, but many others clearly don't, and I don't believe it's necessary for everyone.

My advice: dial your carb intake up considerably; sweet potatoes, white potatoes, even a bit of white rice. Also dial up your fat intake with grass-fed butter and coconut oil (prefer the former)- though you may not want to go too overboard with the fats- I mean chugging whole cans of coconut milk and the like. Fatty meats should be your staple, I'd say. I'm pretty sure you'll see a lot of improvement on this regime. If you're not seeing your weight go to where you want it, you can always dial the carbs down.

But there's no point in torturing yourself from the get-go. Take it easy. Maybe very-low carb is ultimately the way to go for you, but I've thought for a while now that's it's way overrated as a path for everyone.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:45 PM

Brilliant - really thoughtful and helpful, might just keep me alive, thanks x

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on May 15, 2011
at 09:23 PM

"Pasta heavy" and "pretty healthy" are mutually exclusive.

You aren't eating enough fat (figured at least one more person could tell you).

Your good friend who is a "distinguished doctor" is full of s***. I know professional athletes that eat in excess of 500gm of protein daily. Surely they would be dead instantly! INSTANTLY!

(Not that I condone eating 500gm of protein a day, personally I feel it's making very expensive urine...)

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:42 PM

When I said "healthy", I meant pre-paleo healthy - lots of pasta with grilled vegetables, chickpeas, lentils, all the things that normal people living on pizza and ice-cream think are healthy. Anyway, good to hear the fat message again... Thanks!

1
510bdda8988ed0d4b0ec0b738b4edb73

(20888)

on May 15, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Lots of advice here about adding fat, etc, and I won't add my two cents there, it's just more noise for you. But what I do want to point out is that you need to switch from being a carb burner to a fat burner. Robb Wolf has a lot on that topic, so you can go over there to find out more. Many people have no trouble with the switch, but many people do, and it seems that you're one of them. You can go cold turkey and wait for the switch to happen, or you can slowly cut down the carbs until you're there. I don't know which is the best. But I will tell you my N=1.

I was a pasta-eating cyclist/runner like you, so the transition to fat burner really sucked. I felt terrible for a little over two weeks; however, by the end of the third week it was like a switch was flipped and I felt great.

During my transition to paleo, I was already converted from the chronic cardio to high-intensity crossfit-like stuff. But it really sucked. Even a simple 400m jog to warm up would make me tired and I'd have to go sit down for 20 minutes or so. But after my body did that switch I felt like (and still continue to feel like) superman. So whatever you do don't give up. Just get through this.

One thing that may help is coconut butter. Coconut fats are MCT (medium chain triglycerides) and they are ready to burn as is. I.e., your body doesn't need to do any preprocessing of them. I usually have a table spoon about 20 minutes before a workout and I have energy on demand. That might help to train your mitochondria into burning fat. Even if it doesn't work, it's at least tasty :)

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:48 PM

Wow - the information here is invaluable. If I wasn't so exhausted (have just seen all these posts after long and stressful day chairing a conference at work) I'd answer them more in a lot of detail; suffice to say my diet changes tomorrow.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 15, 2011
at 11:33 PM

Yes on the switch to ketone-burning. From Stephen Phinney's paper on performance and keto diets: "[T]his keto-adapatation period [...] is clearly longer than one week and likely well advanced within 3–4 weeks. [It] does not appear to happen any faster in highly trained athletes than in overweight or untrained individuals. [It] appears to require consistent adherence to carbohydrate restriction, as people who intermittently consume carbohydrates while attempting a ketogenic diet report subjectively reduced exercise tolerance."

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 15, 2011
at 11:34 PM

Yes on the switch to ketone-burning. From Stephen Phinney's paper on on performance and keto diets: "[T]his keto-adapatation period [...] is clearly longer than one week and likely well advanced within 3–4 weeks. [It] does not appear to happen any faster in highly trained athletes than in overweight or untrained individuals. [It] appears to require consistent adherence to carbohydrate restriction, as people who intermittently consume carbohydrates while attempting a ketogenic diet report subjectively reduced exercise tolerance." http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/2

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 15, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Sounds like carb flu to me!

Are you plugging your intake into fitday.com? The free version is fantastic.

I know they suggest not plotting and planning your life away on this way of life, but honestly, in the beginning this is the very best way to make sure you are getting what you need and to lessen the side effects of possible withdrawal? You might surprise yourself when you see the numbers.

You need much more fat in your diet and if you want to loose weight you need to limit yourself to one portion of fruit (if you gotta have it just do it in moderation), also remove the nuts for now as well.

You'll need to fiddle with the % of fat/carb/protein for a while, it takes time to see what works for you so give it a week, then adjust, then another week, then adjust. etc. Eventually you'll nail what works for you.

Most people here seem to find that 55-65%fat per day, no more than 25% protein per day and any where from <50 grams carbs up to 100g max to loose weight and feel great.

For some reason I crave vegetables but I'm generally around 50-60g carbs per day and loosing body fat like crazy now and stay in ketosis (but it took me about 3 months before it really started working like this)

feel better!!

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:44 PM

Really helpful, especially fitday.com - hadn't heard of it before. The % are also really useful. And good to know I should be aiming for 3 months...

0
Dc6407193ba441d1438f6f0c06af872b

on May 15, 2011
at 10:50 PM

Standard carb flu, aka "Atkins Flu". Give it a week more and you'll feel better than ever. Also I remember the Eades' book discussing this exact issue and suggesting maybe 3-4 99mg potassium pills per day.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 05:05 AM

Michael I'm about to buy the book right now... And in the meantime I'm of to get potassium pills. They'll hopefully extend my life expectancy beyond next week :-)

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6f97d1b544380ac1f2dbf95d11f25971

on May 15, 2011
at 10:49 PM

Definitely sounds like carb flu. I had this for the first 4 weeks, the only thing that brought me through it was to drastically increase fats (coconut, grass fed butter) and add sweet potatoes to my diet. I was barely eating anything, too exhausted to walk from my apartment to my car and generally felt like crap. Even if you aren't hungry you need to eat as much as you can stand. If it's only half a sweet potato loaded with grass fed butter, then start with that. I have found they are excellent baked in the microwave or peeled and sliced then fried in virgin coconut oil. I am almost two months in and this was the only thing that brought me back to normal. After doing this for the past few weeks I feel fine and am still experiencing the positive physical effects of the diet. I agree with everyone who says you need to stick with it. Tweak your diet, add more fat and some decent starches (sweet potato, rice) and you should do better in a week. Also cut down on the fruit, I found that fruit would spike my insulin and add to the carb flu misery.

Good Luck

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 05:03 AM

Thats fantastic news on the sweet potatoe front... A I mentioned on a comment above, I'm a sweet potato addict but thought they were completely banned (at least the Paleo Diet book says they are). Also, cos they're so sweet, won't that spike sugar levels? But anyway, without something like this I just don't think my bod can manage... Really helpful to hear your story.

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7ad3ba26a79b1582b16a0bd453527b36

on May 15, 2011
at 10:27 PM

Hey - I won't repeat what most others are saying, but I agree. I tried paleo for a month last year (a competition at my gym) and went through the same fatigue phase. I thought I was going to die. But your body will get used to using new fuel sources, just give it a couple of weeks. This time around I've been paleo since March 1, and I didn't go through the fatigue phase. Hang in there! Eat lots of fat! :)

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 05:00 AM

So glad to hear someone's been in the death zone, and is still alive... Thanks!

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1d9af5db8833413037be3ac48964714f

on May 15, 2011
at 10:23 PM

Has anyone mentioned more fat?

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on May 17, 2011
at 10:16 AM

There's several types all commonly available depending whereabouts you are: Kerrygold is the obvious one, Yeo Valley produce an organic butter.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 04:59 AM

Ha ha, funny that... And people have said a lot more butter, but I thought butter was strictly banned as dairy under Paleo. I've googled "grass fed butter" here in Uk and on a first glance couldn't find any stockists where i am in UK, but will persevere.

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D4679ecd9fa1cfbd564107b25c533411

on May 15, 2011
at 09:31 PM

I would concur, until you get a handle on your intakes, track it on fitday. You need far more to even sustain, and it was about week 2-2.5 when I hit my ultimate lows with muscle fatigue where WODs were almost unbearable. I have to prepare tons of foods on Sunday and then get creative. Make it a fun challenge to see what you can come up with. I am allergic to eggs, so this made things more exciting to find new ways to get the protien (and necessary fats) high enough and calorie sufficient. Healthy carbs like sweet potatos w cinnamon become a post WOD treat, but you should lay off the fruits, or go with one that has a low glycemic index rating-occassionally. You are not getting nearly enough of everything, a fun one I tried was an orange pepper filled with spinach, some for of meat with tuna fish, slivers on nuts, black olives, seasoning, with slices of pears and coconut milk and water. The more colorful the more exciting it is to eat. Good luck you'll get there~

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 04:57 AM

I love the recipe - and basically, as far as I can work out from what everyone's written, I just have to ignore some of the stuff in the book (sweet potatoes are a favourite for me, but in the book they're listed under "foods to avoid", so I did. I'm not going to ask you what WODs are, cos I must be able to google it... Thanks!

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on May 17, 2011
at 10:13 AM

There is a basic glossary on this site to save lots of internet searching: http://paleohacks.com/questions/1138/what-are-all-of-these-paleo-related-acronyms-and-terminologies#axzz1MbQ3oBei

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on May 15, 2011
at 08:51 PM

Yes, I too tracked my carbs and still do. I would ease into it and slowly drop the carbs keeping track every meal. That worked for me. And yes, I was hungry at first.

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on May 15, 2011
at 08:48 PM

I'm a relative newbie as well (Paleo since Mar 1), but I had a similar experience the first couple weeks, though not as dramatic. I was very tired and fatigued. But it passed after about 10 days and my energy came back and I was fine. Am curious about how many grams of carbs you are getting....seems quite low based on your diet. I would consider tracking it via fitday or a similar website...I did this and it was very helpful in helping me understand how my body was reacting to my changing nutrition.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Really helpful re fit day. Am going to do it first thing tomorrow. Thanks very much - to you, and all other answers. Have to turn iPad off now before husband divorces me, but will give feedback on all, especially when i get a bit more energy from following their advice! X

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535633b57c4a4940d1e913e7a12ee791

(1013)

on May 15, 2011
at 08:47 PM

I am a newbie to Paleo but I had to ease into it and slowly drop my carbs over time, I am sure the transition period is different for everyone but it took me about 3 weeks. I feel great now.

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Thanks - sadly I'm one of those "all or nothing" people. But if other comments don't work I'll go this route

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on May 15, 2011
at 09:08 PM

Humans can take up to 1/3 calories as protein, if you had "rabbit starvation" you would have diarrhea. Really it makes more sense to favour fatty meat on paleo. Could be bad carb flu also?

6e24575aafccf63e02172715b3cd60ef

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on May 16, 2011
at 09:55 PM

Stephan mentions a ceiling of 35% here http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/12/myth-of-high-protein-diet.html

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 17, 2011
at 04:53 AM

But Andy how come the Paleo Diet book says to only eat lean meat? I think I'm going to go with what you say though...

8448a27f86e15f9f639674159ad3dd97

on May 16, 2011
at 09:39 PM

Just didnt feel anything like flu. But now you've mentioned it, I've looked it up (hadn't heard of it before, I'm that green!) and you're right it could be.

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(2399)

on May 16, 2011
at 08:40 AM

Any sources for the number ? Thanks !

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on May 17, 2011
at 09:47 AM

Tamsyn, "paleo" has many versions therefore different advices. It is my understanding that Robb recommends lean meat if you are buying grain feed meat. I suspect he goes more in depth in his podcast so happy listening ;)

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