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Good ketosis vs. bad ketosis?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM

I described ???bad??? ketosis here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/156211/an-extraordinary-way-to-lose-weight-fast-but-it-is-dangerous

Many topics here mention ???good??? ketosis by consuming lots of fats and limiting on carbs.

What's the difference?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:57 AM

Happy Now, as far as I know, DKA symptoms include: nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, increased heart rate, low blood pressure, abdominal pain etc. I meant I did not have any of those symptoms.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:21 AM

Wait, wait, I thought you said you felt so bad that you had to take a week off of work to get through what you thought was the flu (but was likely raging diabetic out of control blood sugar and the resulting ketoacidosis that broke down your fat stores so fast due a bodily emergency), and had some intense polyuria and polydipsia, How is that not "feeling particularly awful"? Polyuria and polydipsia do not happen with normal insulin response either, you were pretty effed up at the time, you just managed to recover in time for your next labs because you didn't continue with the sugar assault.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 18, 2012
at 04:55 AM

Well, whatever it is that you did, without feeling particularly awful - which is what you would have experienced if you were in ketoacidosis rather than ketosis - worked. Maybe you're onto something..

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:43 PM

I should have felt very badly if it was problematic ketoacidosis. The only fact is that I rapidly lost substantial amount of fat.

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:21 PM

If you didn't measure blood ketones, you and everyone else can only guess what was going on. We don't know if you were in ketosis or ketoacidosis or neither. If you did have insulin resistance, ketoacidosis is very possible (and problematic-see harry's answer).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2012
at 12:21 PM

Harry, I had insulin resistance at the time of the experiment.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2012
at 12:12 PM

It is not possible for you to go into ketosis if you're consuming carbs with normal insulin response..

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2012
at 11:08 AM

I'm not going to carry on with this experiment. I did it only once just to get rid of the fat rapidply. Now I have good lab tests, almost normal weight and blood sugars. I'm happy :) I do not encourage others to repeat my experiment, but I'm sure that everybody should have all possible information and choices and decide on itw own. Responsibility for the responsible.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2012
at 11:02 AM

Happy Now, of course it was ketosis because I lost a lot of fat rapidly (but still did not have ketoacidosis due to normal insulin response).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2012
at 05:25 AM

You got lucky. Please, do the world a favour and don't brag, don't suggest others try it. You might not realize it but if you tell someone to do this you could kill them. That is the pure and simple truth. Borofergie is 100% right.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on October 17, 2012
at 04:03 AM

From all the symptoms you listed, and the extreme speed of the weight loss, I would wager you were experiencing ketoacidosis, not ketosis.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2012
at 03:35 AM

Please don't scare evebody around you :) I'm not dead, I'm not dying, I'm having moderate blood sugars and normal blood pressure. Why? Because I know what I did, what I do and what I want to expect! I'm not worrying about my choice, are you? :)

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on October 17, 2012
at 02:37 AM

How did you determine that you were in ketosis during your "bad" ketosis period?

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on October 17, 2012
at 01:26 AM

Sure it's not just the usual confusion between "ketosis" and "ketoacidosis"?

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B3173217a49b5b0116078775a17eb21d

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on October 17, 2012
at 03:24 AM

Dude, I'm a T2 diabetic. If you carry on with this "sugar induced ketosis" shit, there is a good chance that you'll end up as one too. Trust me, the prospect of your eyeballs bleeding and getting your feet chopped off isn't fun.

Deliberately overloading your endocrine system is always going to have a bad outcome, and is about as far from "Paleo" as you possibly can get.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 17, 2012
at 05:25 AM

You got lucky. Please, do the world a favour and don't brag, don't suggest others try it. You might not realize it but if you tell someone to do this you could kill them. That is the pure and simple truth. Borofergie is 100% right.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 17, 2012
at 03:35 AM

Please don't scare evebody around you :) I'm not dead, I'm not dying, I'm having moderate blood sugars and normal blood pressure. Why? Because I know what I did, what I do and what I want to expect! I'm not worrying about my choice, are you? :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 17, 2012
at 11:08 AM

I'm not going to carry on with this experiment. I did it only once just to get rid of the fat rapidply. Now I have good lab tests, almost normal weight and blood sugars. I'm happy :) I do not encourage others to repeat my experiment, but I'm sure that everybody should have all possible information and choices and decide on itw own. Responsibility for the responsible.

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