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Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 09, 2011 at 6:57 PM

one of my friends is just learning about Paleo/Primal. He posted something on his blog about a post by Dr Greg Ellis regarding eating a high fat/high protien and saturated fat diet being good for you:

his friend K responded below"

"I think it's BS, unless you enjoy being acidotic, spilling ketones all over the place. "

Mine response "if it is in line with Primal eating then I love spilling ketones so far. NO wheat has improved my breathing, swelling in joints, no milk other than whole cream and butter has cleared my skin and I have had better sleep since I started in January. Men tend to lose the weight much faster. also helps if you can eat red meat but I haven't been able to eat red meat for 8 years due to my stomach issues. Plus since I am not eating sugar or few carbs a day I dont crave food and I am not constantly thinking about food! yay!!"

K's:
"Kidneys just can't keep up with all the protein forever. They'll fail eventually. Balanced diet and exercise are best for anyone trying to lose weight or just be healthy."

I don't know how to respond but this is how I feel: Really I wont be dumping ketones the whole times unless I am trying to constantly lose, right?

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on October 08, 2012
at 02:55 PM

Ketosis is not the same as ketoacidosis. Just tell your friend to look up the two terms.

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on September 10, 2011
at 10:34 PM

I disagree, going low carb is a first step, people need to do it gradually, it is like taking away someone life support when you ask them to stop grains and such.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on September 10, 2011
at 11:14 AM

Reducing in carbs isn't paleo and isn't smart for skinny people imo

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on September 10, 2011
at 03:34 AM

thanks, I knew that wasnt the comment to make, that is why I came to people smarter than me... :)

A82d8cbea04392ebcb1a819bddc4a259

(190)

on September 09, 2011
at 08:45 PM

Yes, Lisa. Health is relative to many things, not just weight and accompanying symptoms. As a nutritionist there are often times that I take my clients through the changes on a pace rather than just say...do it THIS way. There are not only emotional aspects to these changes, but the physical ones can be a challenge too. Step by step can offer much needed wins. ~j

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on September 09, 2011
at 08:31 PM

reworded part of it.. see if that is clearer.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on September 09, 2011
at 08:12 PM

Thanks for those two links, they're great!

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on September 09, 2011
at 07:20 PM

i am too overweight for her to wait it out :) this is a naturally ver thin person and whole side of the family. not sure they understand anyones struggle with weight.

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on September 09, 2011
at 07:19 PM

You've never convinced somebody in an argument, Dylan? You might be going about it in a really bad way...

22424c9eef944ade83d4e4ffda907056

(1402)

on September 09, 2011
at 07:07 PM

What's the point in arguing? If someone is arguing with you, they've already made up their mind about what they believe.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on September 09, 2011
at 07:05 PM

Please reword -- hard to understand.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on September 09, 2011
at 07:26 PM

It seems kind of weak to respond with "yeah it's a serious problem and I'm probably dying, but I lost weight!" People with ketoacidosis lose weight, it's not good.

The correct answer is that diet-induced ketosis isn't the same thing as ketoacidosis. Ketoacidosis takes place with very high glucose, by definition, and dietary ketosis is going to take place with low serum glucose. One is pathological, and the other is not. Here is a professional paper with references and such that explains things http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2129159/?tool=pubmed

edit: also protein and renal health: http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45 It isn't problematic for people with healthy kidneys. Try not to go too high, though. If you get to the point where you are too full, stop eating protein, it's not like the more the better.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on September 09, 2011
at 08:12 PM

Thanks for those two links, they're great!

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on September 10, 2011
at 03:34 AM

thanks, I knew that wasnt the comment to make, that is why I came to people smarter than me... :)

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on September 10, 2011
at 10:46 AM

I would simply answer "bollocks" and "do your research. PROPERLY" and be happy in the knowledge that you are right ;D

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D474002cf9816a783b81b5ffc403b2b0

on October 08, 2012
at 02:10 PM

The mistake I see most people making when transitioning to eating more protein is that they do not eat enough fat. Saturated fats are needed for all biological functions including digestion and assimilation of all nutrients, especially protein. Adequate protein without enough fats will cause kidney damage, digestion problems, gout and hamper healing.

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F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on September 09, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Let your results be the response, but I don't blame you for trying to help people see the other side.

Dr. Wolfgang Lutz in his book Life Without Bread explains the ketone thing very well. Ketones are no big deal. I was taught the inaccurate stuff in college. Just shows us college gets it wrong too.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

(1471)

on September 09, 2011
at 07:20 PM

i am too overweight for her to wait it out :) this is a naturally ver thin person and whole side of the family. not sure they understand anyones struggle with weight.

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F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on September 10, 2011
at 10:33 PM

I disagree, going low carb is a first step, people need to do it gradually, it is like taking away someone life support when you ask them to stop grains and such.

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F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on September 09, 2011
at 07:30 PM

you'll do fine, just stick with it. The skinnies won't understand unless they try it too, they will have amazing health response too if they tried. Thin people can be very sickly, too. Sometimes it's too hard to go total Paleo immediately. Gradually reduce carbs til you're down to 72 per day. Then transition to a Paleo mindset. This suggestion is from Dr. Lutz's book.

A82d8cbea04392ebcb1a819bddc4a259

(190)

on September 09, 2011
at 08:45 PM

Yes, Lisa. Health is relative to many things, not just weight and accompanying symptoms. As a nutritionist there are often times that I take my clients through the changes on a pace rather than just say...do it THIS way. There are not only emotional aspects to these changes, but the physical ones can be a challenge too. Step by step can offer much needed wins. ~j

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 10, 2011
at 11:14 AM

Reducing in carbs isn't paleo and isn't smart for skinny people imo

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on September 10, 2011
at 10:34 PM

I disagree, going low carb is a first step, people need to do it gradually, it is like taking away someone life support when you ask them to stop grains and such.

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