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Created October 18, 2011 at 7:37 PM

OK, here is a very dumb question; please have pity on me!

I have eaten Paleo for about a year, but am very casual about it -- no counting calories, grams of this, micronutrients of that.

My migraines have become increasingly severe over the past few months, and I am now considering doing a ketogenic diet. Here's my problem: I have absolutely no idea of how to begin to count or figure out grams/calories etc of protein, fat and carbs. I have been searching around the web, but it seems like everyone in the universe knows how to do this thing, except me.

Can anyone help me out?! Like give me a step by step method, or else point me to a resource for morons. Thanks!!

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on October 19, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Yes, rule out everything migraine related before getting too crazy about micromanaging. Like the eye thing Kewpie mentioned, have your neck checked too, make sure your thyroid if functioning well, etc.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on October 19, 2011
at 01:54 PM

+ 1 for cronometer! I've only used it a couple of times (I'm also very casual, don't count calories or grams of anything, but was curious how a typical day broke down), but it was much easier for me than other similar sites/programs I've used in the past when I was trying to lose weight through low-fat/calorie restriction.

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

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on October 19, 2011
at 08:58 AM

Thanks,Scott,for the link and your encouraging words;I appreciate it. I'm already doing Paleo and consume very little sugar (going to eliminate it completely now; I'm getting religion!). I hope you're right about the migraines going away. I was hoping that would happen eating Paleo, but I haven't been one of the lucky ones in that regard -- although I feel much better in every other way

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

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on October 19, 2011
at 03:43 AM

Thanks for the crono-o-meter link, Melissa; on first glance, I like it better than any other I've seen. I will most likely go with this. How/where do you get a paid account? I don't see any option for that on the web page, but maybe I'm just overlooking it.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 18, 2011
at 11:17 PM

usually 2-3 days.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on October 18, 2011
at 11:08 PM

Zinc seems to work well for some. Lookee here (1st answer):http://paleohacks.com/questions/64167/ladies-anyone-use-zinc-to-prevent-menstrual-cramps#axzz1bA0ERWx5

D5cde8031564f905260ce9aa7a1f5e2c

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on October 18, 2011
at 11:07 PM

What's the benefit of a paid account over a free one? Does it track more micronutrients?

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on October 18, 2011
at 11:06 PM

www.fatsecret.com is a good one as well.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on October 18, 2011
at 09:45 PM

www.sparkpeople.com has this feature as well.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:57 PM

CalorieCount.com also has a tool for doing this.

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(39821)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:33 PM

How much do you take and what form is it?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 18, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Have you had had any head or neck injuries in that time?...and you say "my migraines" makes me think you have had this problem in the past? What was your previous resolution to it if so.

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

(220)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:07 PM

Thanks for the livestrong recommendation; I'll check it out.

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

(220)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:07 PM

Like all migraneurs, I've tried everything. Mag doesn't really make much of a difference, although I do supplement with it daily.

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

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on October 18, 2011
at 08:05 PM

I live in Europe, and the last time I checked with Fitday, they didn't provide their service outside of the US. Thanks for the good wishes!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on October 18, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Not a dumb question at all!

8e1876a74536739ecf7bef97d5d97b76

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on October 18, 2011
at 07:53 PM

I use livestrong's the daily plate,,, but same deal. There are two or three other sites.

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13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on October 18, 2011
at 09:51 PM

This has nothing to do with paleo, but I thought I'd just throw this out there. My dd had migraines for about 10 years. We took her to the doctor repeatedly, tried all kinds of medications and dietary changes and nothing ever made a significant difference. Then, just last year she had an eye exam--I can't remember why because she wasn't having any vision problems--and they discovered that although she had excellent vision she had an astigmatism. The eye doc told her getting glasses to correct the astigmatism might get rid of her migraines so we bought the glasses.

She has not had one single teeny tiny migraine since getting the glasses.

If you've never had a vision exam--or haven't had one recently--it might be worth a shot.

Good luck to you on ridding yourself of the migraines.

Oh, and I mentioned this on another comment, but if you are looking for a way to track nutrients, you can also try www.sparkpeople.com. They have a food tracker that breaks down your macronutrient percentages for you at the end of the day. And, I'm pretty sure it is available outside the U.S.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on October 19, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Yes, rule out everything migraine related before getting too crazy about micromanaging. Like the eye thing Kewpie mentioned, have your neck checked too, make sure your thyroid if functioning well, etc.

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on October 18, 2011
at 08:05 PM

http://fitday.com is a good option, but if you want to be super accurate you should weigh your food with a nutri scale. You can then figure out the nutritional value of your foods with the USDA nutrition data base.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

A ketogenic diet may help, but I bet it's something else.

A lot of people get migraines from something called mycotoxins. There's some really good info about mycotoxins in this video:

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/bulletproof-video-get-stable-energy-perform-better-by-avoiding-these/

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F2eb9c945a9afb8dfe06e6ea99fcb34b

on October 18, 2011
at 07:43 PM

Do you have a fitday account? You enter in what you eat and it calculates the nutrients. http://www.fitday.com/

Good luck on getting rid of your migraines. I know those are no fun.

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

(220)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:07 PM

Thanks for the livestrong recommendation; I'll check it out.

Medium avatar

(572)

on October 18, 2011
at 11:06 PM

www.fatsecret.com is a good one as well.

8e1876a74536739ecf7bef97d5d97b76

(747)

on October 18, 2011
at 07:53 PM

I use livestrong's the daily plate,,, but same deal. There are two or three other sites.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:57 PM

CalorieCount.com also has a tool for doing this.

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on October 18, 2011
at 09:45 PM

www.sparkpeople.com has this feature as well.

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

(220)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:05 PM

I live in Europe, and the last time I checked with Fitday, they didn't provide their service outside of the US. Thanks for the good wishes!

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 18, 2011
at 10:29 PM

I like cron o meter a lot better than fitday. In fact, I like it well enough to have a paid account, but then again I'm a huge nerd and I like to be able to have tons of control over how I measure esoteric things.

You probably want to buy a lot of good fatty meat in bulk and have it on hand, because it's going to be the bulk of your diet. If you tolerate dairy, heavy cream and butter are good to have on hand. A lot of people report becoming migraine free with keto. It also might be worth investing in ketostix.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on October 19, 2011
at 01:54 PM

+ 1 for cronometer! I've only used it a couple of times (I'm also very casual, don't count calories or grams of anything, but was curious how a typical day broke down), but it was much easier for me than other similar sites/programs I've used in the past when I was trying to lose weight through low-fat/calorie restriction.

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

(220)

on October 19, 2011
at 03:43 AM

Thanks for the crono-o-meter link, Melissa; on first glance, I like it better than any other I've seen. I will most likely go with this. How/where do you get a paid account? I don't see any option for that on the web page, but maybe I'm just overlooking it.

D5cde8031564f905260ce9aa7a1f5e2c

(1170)

on October 18, 2011
at 11:07 PM

What's the benefit of a paid account over a free one? Does it track more micronutrients?

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Medium avatar

on October 18, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Have you tried supplementing with magnesium? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9523054

Medium avatar

(39821)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:33 PM

How much do you take and what form is it?

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on October 18, 2011
at 11:08 PM

Zinc seems to work well for some. Lookee here (1st answer):http://paleohacks.com/questions/64167/ladies-anyone-use-zinc-to-prevent-menstrual-cramps#axzz1bA0ERWx5

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

(220)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:07 PM

Like all migraneurs, I've tried everything. Mag doesn't really make much of a difference, although I do supplement with it daily.

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on October 19, 2011
at 10:18 AM

There is generally no need to go VLC to get into ketosis, just adding plenty of ketogenic MCT will go a long way. See http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=472 and similar posts by Paul Jaminet for some general information on ketogenic diets.

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B1525054ecd4ce6c616a8a829b725f75

on October 19, 2011
at 06:22 AM

A ketogenic diet is a great treatment for migraines for a lot of people. Paleo diet is about food quality and avoiding inflammatory foods by eating foods that we evolved eating, and during winter when paleolithic man was eating free ranging animal meat and had no access to fruits and vegetables they would enter the state of ketosis due to a lack of carbohydrate intake.

You can find a quick start guide to ketogenic diet at http://www.fitnesslowdown.com/ketogenic-diet-jump-start/

Don't worry about calories as your leptin signaling will improve and your body will begin to tell you when and how much to eat. Start off the first week eating as much as you can. Your migraines will most likely go away by the second or third day but you'll still be going through sugar withdrawal. Don't expect to have a ton of energy until about a week and a half. After that your energy level will be amazing and you'll probably be migraine free. Good Luck!

5139b8189a2286f2f69425128ccb764c

(220)

on October 19, 2011
at 08:58 AM

Thanks,Scott,for the link and your encouraging words;I appreciate it. I'm already doing Paleo and consume very little sugar (going to eliminate it completely now; I'm getting religion!). I hope you're right about the migraines going away. I was hoping that would happen eating Paleo, but I haven't been one of the lucky ones in that regard -- although I feel much better in every other way

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(630)

on October 18, 2011
at 08:01 PM

How long sonyou have to be vlc to get to the ketogenic state?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on October 18, 2011
at 11:17 PM

usually 2-3 days.

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