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Can I eat Carbs with Fats at the same time?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 01, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Hi, I'm eating a low to moderate carb diet (around 100g-150g of carbs a day) and was wondering if it's a bad idea to eat carbs with fats at the same time. I'm someone who is trying to lose fat while gaining/maintaining muscle.

For example: Rice mixed with chicken fat or coconut oil is a typical Malaysian dish that my family sometimes has. If the serving of rice is under 25g of carbs, is it ok to have it with the chicken fat or coconut oil?

I also sometimes like to mix my coconut oil with a little honey to make it more appetizing and am wondering if this is bad since honey is high in carbs.

Also, I've looked at previous similar questions but the answers seem to be inconclusive or confusing to me. This is something I've always heard NOT to do, and am wondering if it's true at all or if it's just "bro-science" (I was reading this article on targeted ketogenic diets, which says not to eat too much fat while eating carbs)

Thanks for your insight!

E753cf7753e7be889ca68b1a4203483f

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on January 25, 2012
at 09:11 PM

Sorry for late response! Low carb diets in combination with vigorous training, results in body depletion of glucose and reduced anaerobic muscle metabolism, lovering of numerous anabolic hormones and reduced thyroid activity. All things that makes muscle building difficult. Most people can however build muscle on a low/moderate carb diet (25E% carb or so!). Starches are probably the most efficient ones for muscle building and fructose the worst.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 02, 2011
at 05:21 PM

I didn't read that, but food combining is different from acid/base theory.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 02, 2011
at 05:03 PM

Is there a resource that explains the Berkhan method? I googled it but didn't find anything useful for me yet.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 02, 2011
at 04:56 PM

Hi Maj, I've read a little bit about the acid/base theory in Sally Fallon and Mary Enig's (from Weston A. Price Foundation) book **Eat Fat, Lose Fat**, and they seem to say that it's not that important to be overly concerned about acid/base levels in our food.

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on November 02, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Make that "Berkhan 101."

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(8239)

on November 02, 2011
at 04:18 PM

I'm doing Leangains at the moment. Same goals as yours but I have opted on a 2-stage approach: first phase my aim is to get seriously lean while maintaining lean tissue though not looking to build at this point, due to strategic caloric deficit. Once I get into 8-10 percent bodyfat range, then I will up calories and switch workout to add muscle while maintaining fat loss. Berm an 101. So far, working very well for me. Torching fat, never really hungry. (I'm doing 8/16 IF, by the way.)

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 02, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Hmmm, if someone is insulin resistant though would insulin still be effective in removing sugar from the blood? Sometimes this stuff gets so confusing :\

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 02, 2011
at 01:23 PM

Gydle, that isn't to say how you combine it. THats daily use. You could eat 90% protein and 10% carb separately.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 02, 2011
at 01:08 PM

Yep! Its so good! It took me a while to relearn to eat animal fat (well, still learning.) Are you malaysian? In the states fat phobia is pretty rampant

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on November 02, 2011
at 12:24 PM

that makes no sense slightlyreworded, higher insulin usually means less BS. Insulin removes sugar from the blood.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on November 02, 2011
at 10:38 AM

Sounds a lot like you're eating Hainanese Chicken Rice, yes?

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on November 02, 2011
at 10:37 AM

Yeah, this is what I believe to be best. Though Fat+Carbs slows the processing of carbs, fat seems to raise insulin with carbs more than carbs alone. Raised insulin + carbs = raised blood sugar. Raised BS means no fat can be mobilized to burn.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 08:32 AM

Jeff, some known fitness instructors claim that eating carbs after workout like HIIT will prevent growth hormone response. I don't know if that is true.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 08:32 AM

Jeff, some known fitness instructors claim that eating carbs after workout like HIIT will blung GH response. I don't know if that is true.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 08:31 AM

I must admit that I never checked it, maybe its all fake like cliff claims... will check it out in more detail.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 08:29 AM

Food combination is about digestion environment: protein digests in acidic environment and carbs in basic, when you combine them, carbs will buffer HCL and protein digestion will be slowed and vice-versa. Both then hangout in stomach longer which gives it a chance to rot and bacteria to feast. At least thats how I understand it and what is written in several books I read, but I never checked it to be sure. It doesn't matter much for me since I eat small amounts of carbas and often none.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on November 02, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I'm curious about the carbs and protein too. Seems sensible after working out especially. Here's a blog I just noticed on this too http://www.gnolls.org/1794/why-snacking-makes-you-weak-not-just-fat/

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 02, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Thank you for your input, but I was curious about fat and carbs specifically. I should have clarified, that in each meal I usually eat carbs and proteins together.

0a0c8c37d3a56738dc017e4ff09f21ee

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on November 01, 2011
at 10:42 PM

Not necessarily, I have learned. In my experience, what you eat is just as if not sometimes more important than how much you eat. This is evidently because different foods are processed in different parts of the body. Sugar, for example, is not ideal to eat for this reason and many others.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 10:09 PM

Thank you for your input Maj, but from the book I semi-follow (The Insulin Resistance Diet) a meal of carbs and protein is fine since the protein buffers the negative effects of carbs. It's usually a meal of just carbs alone that causes issues. But this is just what I've read and have experienced.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 09:33 PM

A typical meal is 15g of protein, 30g of carbs, and I take coconut oil.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on November 01, 2011
at 09:02 PM

I don't know of either evidence that food combining has any relevance to health or that it has been falsified. So I'm not believing it, it is horrendous to follow as well. I tried it once and nearly went insane. Now I eat 2 big meals with everything and feel much better.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Hmmm can you explain why low/moderate carb is bad for muscle building? From what I've read and a bit of experience it's one of the best for building muscle and losing fat.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 01, 2011
at 08:24 PM

cliff: any good info on that ?

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on November 01, 2011
at 08:05 PM

IMHO, if you are trying to lose weight, I would do higher carb and lower fat, or higher fat and lower carb, or lower carb and lower fat. Not high fat and high carb. They are both readily available sources of energy, which means not good for losing weight and fat. What are your nutrient ratios right now?

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on November 01, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I had heard the opposite: from Turbocharged (Dian and Tom Griesel, who base much of their diet on Paleo) Fats + carbs is NOT OK, 90% carbs + 10% protein is OK and 10% carbs + 90% protein is OK

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:54 PM

"Carbs + Protein is NOT OK." Welp, there goes my post-workout regimen. Care to expand on this? I know Martin Berkhan isn't completely paleo but Ive been using his framework and going high fat/low carb on non-workout days and high protein/higher carb post-workout and Ive had a good deal of success.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:34 PM

food combining has been dis proven

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 07:17 PM

Also, generally my meals consists of protein, with fats and carbs.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 07:15 PM

I am. I'll edit my question :) I'm trying to lose fat, while gaining/maintaining muscle.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 07:13 PM

I am. I'll edit my question. Thanks!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on November 01, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Some of us here treat white rice in the same class as dairy ... not necessarily Grok-like foods, but often well tolerated by individuals.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 06:58 PM

It definitely is tasty lol. Chicken fat and rice is so delish! Not sure if rice is paleo, but my family traditionally eats it with dinner :))

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on November 01, 2011
at 06:58 PM

Are you trying to lose weight?

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7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on November 01, 2011
at 06:56 PM

I think it's great to eat some fat with carbs. Fat helps slow digestion down which is generally a good thing for both satiation and blood glucose levels. And it's tasty!

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on November 01, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Some of us here treat white rice in the same class as dairy ... not necessarily Grok-like foods, but often well tolerated by individuals.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 06:58 PM

It definitely is tasty lol. Chicken fat and rice is so delish! Not sure if rice is paleo, but my family traditionally eats it with dinner :))

1
C00e493393828df34be65ddc25456c7c

(610)

on November 02, 2011
at 07:10 AM

For fat loss and burning fat 24/7 Joel and Craig have that 24/7 programme coming out soon. There is a free download about it ATM. Re carbs, protein and fat - this is optimal for fat burning according to them (among other things):

Either: Protein + Fat Meals (less than 10g carbs) OR Protein + Carb Meals (less than 10g fat)

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 02, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Hmmm, if someone is insulin resistant though would insulin still be effective in removing sugar from the blood? Sometimes this stuff gets so confusing :\

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 02, 2011
at 12:24 PM

that makes no sense slightlyreworded, higher insulin usually means less BS. Insulin removes sugar from the blood.

9ffe43c6c5990ed710c7c49b12d6ee7f

on November 02, 2011
at 10:37 AM

Yeah, this is what I believe to be best. Though Fat+Carbs slows the processing of carbs, fat seems to raise insulin with carbs more than carbs alone. Raised insulin + carbs = raised blood sugar. Raised BS means no fat can be mobilized to burn.

1
E753cf7753e7be889ca68b1a4203483f

on November 01, 2011
at 08:34 PM

Total calories decide whether you will loose or gain weight. Macro ratios will only have minor effect on weight or fat loss. Low carb diet however sucks for building muscle. Control your energy intake and fat intake/carb intake becomes irrelevant.

0a0c8c37d3a56738dc017e4ff09f21ee

(480)

on November 01, 2011
at 10:42 PM

Not necessarily, I have learned. In my experience, what you eat is just as if not sometimes more important than how much you eat. This is evidently because different foods are processed in different parts of the body. Sugar, for example, is not ideal to eat for this reason and many others.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 08:42 PM

Hmmm can you explain why low/moderate carb is bad for muscle building? From what I've read and a bit of experience it's one of the best for building muscle and losing fat.

E753cf7753e7be889ca68b1a4203483f

(722)

on January 25, 2012
at 09:11 PM

Sorry for late response! Low carb diets in combination with vigorous training, results in body depletion of glucose and reduced anaerobic muscle metabolism, lovering of numerous anabolic hormones and reduced thyroid activity. All things that makes muscle building difficult. Most people can however build muscle on a low/moderate carb diet (25E% carb or so!). Starches are probably the most efficient ones for muscle building and fructose the worst.

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5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:09 PM

From Martin Berkhan's Leangains Protocol:

"Macronutrients and calorie intakes are always cycled through the week. The specifics depends on the client's ultimate goal: fat loss, muscle gain or bodyrecomposition. The details will be revealed in the book. Generally speaking, carbs and total calorie intake is highest on training days. On rest days, carbs are lower and fat is higher. Protein is kept high on all days."

He doesn't say why he cycles carbs, so I wouldn't worry too much either way.

0
C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

on November 01, 2011
at 08:57 PM

you can do whatever you want haha.... the only answer to your question lies in you. try all combinations and stick to the ones that work... no one can answer the question but you

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:25 PM

Carbs + Fat is OK

Fat + Protein is OK

Carbs + Protein is NOT OK

Basic principles of food combining, if such thing is real.

I would just add 1 more Carbs + PUFA is NOT OK.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on November 01, 2011
at 09:02 PM

I don't know of either evidence that food combining has any relevance to health or that it has been falsified. So I'm not believing it, it is horrendous to follow as well. I tried it once and nearly went insane. Now I eat 2 big meals with everything and feel much better.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on November 01, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I had heard the opposite: from Turbocharged (Dian and Tom Griesel, who base much of their diet on Paleo) Fats + carbs is NOT OK, 90% carbs + 10% protein is OK and 10% carbs + 90% protein is OK

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 01, 2011
at 10:09 PM

Thank you for your input Maj, but from the book I semi-follow (The Insulin Resistance Diet) a meal of carbs and protein is fine since the protein buffers the negative effects of carbs. It's usually a meal of just carbs alone that causes issues. But this is just what I've read and have experienced.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:34 PM

food combining has been dis proven

4164a77c7ccf4839ec7f1e665d27cc6d

(1085)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:54 PM

"Carbs + Protein is NOT OK." Welp, there goes my post-workout regimen. Care to expand on this? I know Martin Berkhan isn't completely paleo but Ive been using his framework and going high fat/low carb on non-workout days and high protein/higher carb post-workout and Ive had a good deal of success.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 01, 2011
at 08:24 PM

cliff: any good info on that ?

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 02, 2011
at 04:56 PM

Hi Maj, I've read a little bit about the acid/base theory in Sally Fallon and Mary Enig's (from Weston A. Price Foundation) book **Eat Fat, Lose Fat**, and they seem to say that it's not that important to be overly concerned about acid/base levels in our food.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 08:29 AM

Food combination is about digestion environment: protein digests in acidic environment and carbs in basic, when you combine them, carbs will buffer HCL and protein digestion will be slowed and vice-versa. Both then hangout in stomach longer which gives it a chance to rot and bacteria to feast. At least thats how I understand it and what is written in several books I read, but I never checked it to be sure. It doesn't matter much for me since I eat small amounts of carbas and often none.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on November 02, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I'm curious about the carbs and protein too. Seems sensible after working out especially. Here's a blog I just noticed on this too http://www.gnolls.org/1794/why-snacking-makes-you-weak-not-just-fat/

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 08:31 AM

I must admit that I never checked it, maybe its all fake like cliff claims... will check it out in more detail.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 01:23 PM

Gydle, that isn't to say how you combine it. THats daily use. You could eat 90% protein and 10% carb separately.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 08:32 AM

Jeff, some known fitness instructors claim that eating carbs after workout like HIIT will blung GH response. I don't know if that is true.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 08:32 AM

Jeff, some known fitness instructors claim that eating carbs after workout like HIIT will prevent growth hormone response. I don't know if that is true.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2011
at 05:21 PM

I didn't read that, but food combining is different from acid/base theory.

0
D3f3b91d1dd9ce60865654faeb2ec809

on November 01, 2011
at 07:08 PM

I find that eating protein-rich foods with my carbs blunts the impact on my blood sugar.

3654b5b893e312b69f8db05e4e5175b5

on November 02, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Thank you for your input, but I was curious about fat and carbs specifically. I should have clarified, that in each meal I usually eat carbs and proteins together.

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