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Is there such thing as Keto vegetable based diet?

Commented on February 05, 2014
Created February 03, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Is there such thing as Keto vegetable based diet? If so, can you post some examples or a typical day?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 05, 2014
at 05:02 PM

I agree, if we're going to start to shun people asking questions on this site simply because they want to eat more vegetables and cutback on the steaks for a while, we got a problem.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 05, 2014
at 04:54 PM

Thanks, but, I don't go trolling on veganhacks or whatever asking about a meaty version of a vegan diet or anything... why do they think it's ok to do so here, and when they do, why can't we have fun with them?

Why does that imply a "closed" mind? Why do we paleos have to respect their viewpoint, when they don't respect ours?

Maybe in this case, the OP intended a fast from protein, but the way it was asked opened the door for a bit of humor, and so, why not!

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on February 05, 2014
at 04:48 PM

I think all the downvoters missed the humor intended by @raydawg answer.

Maybe they're not old enough to have experienced Reagan admin doing the "ketchup is now a vegetable" thing.

It was quite funny at the time.

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on February 05, 2014
at 04:18 PM

Dude it was kind of funny but I also object to blatant disregard for viewpoints outside your own. I think it's clear that the OP was not asking if he could eat nothing but "vegetables" and survive but just in case, the answer would be: for a while.

If you want to make a joke answer, fine, but if we turn into the paleo version of 30 bananas a day, rejecting any viewpoint that doesn't adhere to our own and acting like a meat-munching cult, we're no better than them.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 05, 2014
at 02:09 PM

No, go and read it again, the question is (copy and paste)

"Is there such thing as Keto vegetable based diet?"

As I pointed out in regards to the other answers, avocados/red palm are fruit, and nuts are nuts, these aren't vegetables. The original question never asked if it can be a vegetarian/vegan diet, the other answers assumed that was the intended meaning.

The douchebag is you, because you cannot see the humor in a joke answer and you take offense at it rather than laughing along with it. You know what they say "F'em if they can't take a joke."

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 05, 2014
at 01:54 PM

I'll admit though, the extra credit "1) redefine bacon as a vegetable" made me laugh...

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 05, 2014
at 01:53 PM

The question was if a vegetarian/vegan plan can be paleo and ketogenic. The answer is yes. This is PaleoHacks, we help people with questions here (and last time I checked vegetables are Paleo) this isn't DouchebagHacks who don't have the ability to comprehend a hypothetical question and answer it kindly.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 05, 2014
at 01:49 PM

Makes perfect sense. I know exactly what you mean.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on February 05, 2014
at 12:47 PM

WOW I love it such passion! But I didn't think I would get such polar opposite opinions. I was just asking if it was possible? THe reason I was asking is -- I have been eating way toooooooo much protein lately. So I decided to change it up for a bit. My diet is mainly protein -- why? -- because it seems that is the easiest for my body to digest. But lately I noticed that it just doesn't fill me up. SO time to change. Make sense?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 05, 2014
at 10:41 AM

You sir, have no sense of humor - it shall be your undoing IRL, please strive to obtain one and refrain on being an asshole.

The last time I checked this was "Paleo Hacks" not "Vegetarian Hacks" - as such vegan/vegetarian style diets are off topic regardless of reasons.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 04, 2014
at 10:05 PM

It is clear that the OP meant a vegetarian-style diet given his reference to vegetables. It is safe to assume that the OP was referring to all-plant foods or vegetarian approved foods from which a ketogenic diet could be carved out. This could be for ethical reasons (maybe the OP is opposed to hurting animals) or for whatever other reason. Please strive to provide constructive commentary on here and refrain from being an asshole.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 04, 2014
at 05:51 AM

By the way, a few walnuts on a salad never killed anyone of inflammation, maybe you should relax a little and not stress over a few walnuts, I hear stress can cause inflammation.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 04, 2014
at 05:43 AM

I love how you cite zero proof to back up your claim other than anecdotal evidence. I guess that's what people do when they have a weak argument. The carbs in nuts are primarily fiber which get converted to short chain fatty acids in the gut. Maybe eating pounds of them might prevent ketosis, but then again so would a pound of steak or cheese or vegetables. If you had actually bothered to do your research you would have known this, but don't worry we believe you even though you have nothing to back up your argument. After all, you've been pissing on ketosticks longer than we have....

D371623b5671d11fa678b201ff23442b

on February 04, 2014
at 01:23 AM

LOL, I've been in Ketosis for longer than you've probably known of Ketosis.

Serving sizes of nuts are extremely small. They may not have many carbs per serving, but they definitely have more Carbs than vegetables and if you're going to be consuming large quantities of nuts for the fat, you WILL fall out of ketosis unless you're doing chronic cardio. Walnuts are great sources of inflammatory Omega-6s and great sources of useless ALA Omega-3s.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 06:51 PM

I don't usually eat breakfast myself, I like to fast (only plain tea and water) until the afternoon and usually just have lunch and dinner. I also don't snack very much. However, this is a sample menu for those who do have breakfast or a snack.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 06:45 PM

Sure.

Breakfast: 2 eggs fried in 1 tablespoon of butter, with hot sauce.

Lunch: a can of sardines/kippered herring/tuna. Shredded carrot, spinach/greens salad, lemon/lemon juice and half a cup of olive oil.

Snack: 0.5 cup of pecans and 0.5 cup of hazelnuts.

Dinner: steamed veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, squashes) drizzled with a quarter cup of olive oil, 3oz calf liver steak fried in lard or butter, or 4oz tuna/cod/salmon steak, or 4 egg frittata/omelette/scramble with veggies of choice, preferably cooked with either duck fat/butter/olive oil.

Dessert: 2 squares Lindt 90%.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 06:32 PM

I wholeheartedly agree, a low-carb, ketogenic diet, with a moderated amount of protein (with substantial nutrient density such as seafood, offal, and eggs) and a lot of low-carb veggies with plenty of nutrition is definitely one of the best approaches.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on February 03, 2014
at 06:29 PM

@TheGastronomer - can you post your typical day menu?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 06:28 PM

Do a little research next time you post.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 06:27 PM

You're couldn't be more wrong. Macadamias (88% calories from fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3123/2), pecans (87% fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3129/2), hazelnuts (81% fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3116/2), almonds (72% fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3085/2), walnuts (83% fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3138/2). Generally ketogenic diets are based on a 3:1 fat to protein+carb ratio meaning that calories from fat be roughly 75% or above.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 05:05 PM

I forgot to mention pumpkins, butternut squash, summer squashes, spaghetti squash, zucchini squash, celery, carrots (in moderation as they contain some sugars), and dark chocolate (90+% is great) as it is a great source of fat (specially stearic) and minerals.

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on February 03, 2014
at 04:42 PM

Its one of the healthiest diets around in my opinion - high fat, low carb, adequate protein. This doesn't have to be with lots of veggies but if you're eating just enough protein rather than too much then it helps making up the rest of your diet with fibrous veggies to soak up all that fat, i'm currently finding this to be the best way of eating I've tried so far.

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on February 05, 2014
at 12:01 AM

The challenge is getting adequate protein, since most vegetarian sources of protein are also carbs. Legumes which are properly prepared (soaked, cooked, then cooled) MIGHT not knock you out of ketosis because of their resistant starch, but then it's not Paleo (if that's important to you?), and they can provide protein. You'll have to test to see how your body responds.

I would carefully limit/avoid soy and other phytoestrogens and add in olive oil, coconut oil, and perhaps avocado oil as your fats.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on February 04, 2014
at 09:34 PM

1) redefine coconut oil as a vegetable (come on now, if Ronald Regan said you could label ketchup as a vegetable, why not coconut oil?)

2) ?

3) Profit!

* avocados, red palm are fruit and not vegetables

** macadamias and coconuts are, well, nuts, not vegetables.

*** no gnomes were harmed in the writing of this post

For extra credit, replace step 1 with "1) redefine bacon as a vegetable"

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on February 05, 2014
at 04:48 PM

I think all the downvoters missed the humor intended by @raydawg answer.

Maybe they're not old enough to have experienced Reagan admin doing the "ketchup is now a vegetable" thing.

It was quite funny at the time.

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on February 05, 2014
at 04:18 PM

Dude it was kind of funny but I also object to blatant disregard for viewpoints outside your own. I think it's clear that the OP was not asking if he could eat nothing but "vegetables" and survive but just in case, the answer would be: for a while.

If you want to make a joke answer, fine, but if we turn into the paleo version of 30 bananas a day, rejecting any viewpoint that doesn't adhere to our own and acting like a meat-munching cult, we're no better than them.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 04, 2014
at 10:05 PM

It is clear that the OP meant a vegetarian-style diet given his reference to vegetables. It is safe to assume that the OP was referring to all-plant foods or vegetarian approved foods from which a ketogenic diet could be carved out. This could be for ethical reasons (maybe the OP is opposed to hurting animals) or for whatever other reason. Please strive to provide constructive commentary on here and refrain from being an asshole.

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D371623b5671d11fa678b201ff23442b

on February 03, 2014
at 06:00 PM

Do you mean a keto-based vegetarian diet?

And nuts are hardly low-carb.

A ketogenic diet requires high-fat, and if you're only going to be relying on avocados and nuts, you probably won't be in ketosis at that point.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 06:28 PM

Do a little research next time you post.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 06:27 PM

You're couldn't be more wrong. Macadamias (88% calories from fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3123/2), pecans (87% fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3129/2), hazelnuts (81% fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3116/2), almonds (72% fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3085/2), walnuts (83% fat http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3138/2). Generally ketogenic diets are based on a 3:1 fat to protein+carb ratio meaning that calories from fat be roughly 75% or above.

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Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 04:54 PM

Yes! Absolutely.

Avocadoes and avocado oil, olives and olive oil, coconut and coconut oil, almonds and almond butter, pecans, hazelnuts and hazelnut oil, macadamias and macadamia oil, walnuts.

All leafy greens (spinach, lettuce, watercress, etc.) are allowed since they are low-carb. Non-starchy vegetables, including cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower, kholrabi, Brussel sprouts, cabbage, kale, mustard greens, collards, etc. are encouraged. Certain fruits are acceptable in moderation, like lemons, cucumbers, tomatoes, are fine as long as you don't overdo it. Certain root vegetables like turnips, jicama, radishes and celeriac are fairly low in carbs as well. Then there's mushrooms, which are also low-carb and great for making things nice and savory.

Always mix your veggies with some form of fat as you cook them and as long as they are low-carb, you have got yourself a vegetarian version of a keto diet. Oh and if you do eggs, eat lots of them as well.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

(984)

on February 03, 2014
at 06:29 PM

@TheGastronomer - can you post your typical day menu?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on February 03, 2014
at 05:05 PM

I forgot to mention pumpkins, butternut squash, summer squashes, spaghetti squash, zucchini squash, celery, carrots (in moderation as they contain some sugars), and dark chocolate (90+% is great) as it is a great source of fat (specially stearic) and minerals.

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